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Yep. They may not have high numbers of older players but looking at their list I think Richmond have the opposite problem and have too many young players and not enough experienced players.
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Which clubs are in the most trouble age profile wise? - 2025 edition
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Yep. They may not have high numbers of older players but looking at their list I think Richmond have the opposite problem and have too many young players and not enough experienced players.
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Richmond's issue is their 21-29 age range and that they only have 3 or 4 decent players in there. That is a big gap to fill
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There is a decent group or prospective AFL players in the early 21+ stage. Few look like stars (Brown and Gibcus maybe). But quite a few that might be worthwhile.
But, there is a fairly substantial hole in the list there. I suspect that FAs will be used to fill the gap maybe this year, and definitely 2026.
The list is very reliant on the young 3 - 5 season players coming on. If a few do the list will look a whole lot healthier. We'll see. But Ross, Brown, Banks, Mansell, Miller, Rioli look like being AFL quality. Have shown AFL level ability; Ralphsmith, Dow, McAuliff, Gibcus, Lefau, who hopefully will establish themselves. The other younger players have all shown something positive at AFL level, but have work to do. Not a great list of developing players (ex new draftees), but a lot of AFL potential talent.
Some of it is injury (Gibcus etc), a lot is opportunity (Dimma played the old guys). I'm glass half full, and hope that end 2025 the list will look a lot deeper than it does now. But I'm realistic enough to not be surprised if the younger list is sparse and a major problem by end 2025.
29 Short
28 Hopper
27 Taranto
26 Lefau*
25 Miller, Balta
24 Mansell, Ross
22 M Rioli
21 Gibcus, Brown
* very small sample size just half a season but never looked out of place playing forward in a very weak team.
So it depends what you mean by decent. I take that to mean a player could get a game in an average AFL team without looking below average in their position. So by my reckoning we have up to 11 of those, but certainly more than 3 or 4.
Regardless, we are weak in this age range, you probably need 15-18 of these guys. Obviously over the next 4 years we lose 4 out the top end of this age range. But they are likely to be replaced by a dozen or more currently developing players from the 18-24yo age bracket who haven't made the grade yet.
So if we are talking about the next 2-3 years, the Richmond list is all wrong age wise. If we are talking about what the club is actually trying to do, ie be good in 4 years time and onwards, the the list age profile is in rude health.
We all know what screams 'leadership' to you Fadge...your 5th best captain of this century captained zero flags & is his own club's 3rd most successful skipper of their last 3.
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I assume you're referring to the player who orchestrated a Grand Final win as a 35 year old with an 11 possession final quarter whilst also being the onfield coach for the midfield group?We all know what screams 'leadership' to you Fadge...your 5th best captain of this century captained zero flags & is his own club's 3rd most successful skipper of their last 3.
Just one example of his legacy.
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I can see that Richmond has started the process to fix things, but I still put them down as one of the most problematic age profile distributions for at least this year and maybe the next 2 after that. Its probably the opposite problem to what this thread is normally about.
Collingwood is the obvious one at the other end of the scale. Lot of reliance on the top end with not a heap of youth there to step up. If they arent contending again this year they will probably have to start a hard turnover of players.
Brisbane and Carlton both started the rebuild about the same times (hence the threads comparing the rebuilds). Its no surprise that both are in win now mode. Both have probably another 2 years or so before age becomes a big issue.
I'll predict 0 to 3 win range and 45% to 60%As Fadge would say, w/l is so binary.
Average injury run the club should be in the 5-8 win range. But % aroud 75-80%.
There are so many variables though. Teams we play twice could suddenly collapse like we did last year and you are adding a couple of wins that way without performing any better. It wouldn't shock me if we don't have many wins, but I will be disappointed if our key players have a good injury run and our percentage is far below 75-80%.
I heard an interview with Hopper and he said they are aiming to be "in" games. I have no doubt the club is angling for another very high end draft pick to help build their future team, whilst also hoping North obliges with something around the top 5-6 picks.
Let's see who is closer.
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I actually like what Richmond have done
Not many teams truly gut their list and bottom out
Sure it will be a lot of shit years but they will be better for it long term than middling out
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We are about to make the big jump now
Much better than middling out that we used to do
The amount of talent we have on the list now is better than I’ve ever seen
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Maybe, but maybe not, and last time North were in the finals was 2016, the same year your club gutted itself by retiring most of their older players. So this plan has been in the works for 8 years now and North are still one of the bottom clubs (2024 ladder wise) despite all your good draft picks.
If anything the North technique should be a cautionary tale.
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Where we went wrong was topping back up in 2018 with Polec, Pittard, hall and Tyson
And 2016 we replaced the older guys with Marley Williams , hrovat etc
for mine 2019 is where we realised we needed to invest in draft first
No team has done it the way Richmond has just done with so many quality picks in a deep draft, followed by likely 2 x top 5 picks. It is territory unchartered, so what has happened to North or any other team is not very relevant. This is arguably closer to GWS when they started up. They were contending in their 5th season.
Lol, pointless statement as there is never any guarantee of success no matter what strategy you adopt.
They've now given themselves a defacto expansion club set up ala GWS and GC. Which has netted one grand final appearance, zero flags and one of those clubs not making finals after 14 seasons.
Yep, or a repeat Richmond dynasty experience, only with 6 years worth of draft picks in just 2 drafts. That netted 3 flags and a minor.
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Lets just see how years of 100+ point defeats are going to affect the psychology of the young Richmond players, as Richmond were bad in 2024 and they are going to be a lot worse in 2025 and 2026.
You might provide us with something to say it wasn't a deep draft then.
How did affect Richmond's young players in 2009-10?
