Which list would you rather going forward - Hawthorn or Sydney?

[Byron_Clanger]

I'd say Hawthorn because they aren't at the mercy of Buddy's contract

 

[Blue1980]

the poll result atm is really surprising to me... Mitchell, Sicily, Worpel, Wingard, Impey, O'Meara all have years ahead of them

That’s not much of the side though is it?

Could name 6 of that quality of a similar age at basically any AFL side.

Every side has at least some good players.

 

[nahnah]

That’s not much of the side though is it?

Could name 6 of that quality of a similar age at basically any AFL side.

Every side has at least some good players.

compared to the swans it is imo

Heeney, Jones, Hayward, Florent, Papley... I would much rather Mitchell, Sicily, Worpel, O'Meara, Wingard..

 

[Scotland]

Probably Sydney because the two lists are close and Sydney have less money tied up in their young players.

compared to the swans it is imo

Heeney, Jones, Hayward, Florent, Papley... I would much rather Mitchell, Sicily, Worpel, O'Meara, Wingard..

Worpel is still a second year draftee but the other 4 would eat up $2m+. Heeney would be on a decent contract but the rest not a great deal.

Moving forward Hawthorn in a better position to bring in players from other teams based on recent years, Sydney already able to add Blakey, Heeney, Mills without paying market value on draft day.

In 14/15 Sydney got Heeney and Mills. Hawthorn traded for O'Rourke then got Lovell and Burton. It's a fair free kick to the Swans when both teams were top sides.

 

[sr36]

After having both been inked into the top 8 forever, I think they're both inked into the bottom 8 for a while.

 

[Scotland]

I think Sydney are due a change. Wouldn't surprise me if Longmire moves on. Clarkson is going nowhere and Hawthorn think they're a chance next year.

 

[nahnah]

Probably Sydney because the two lists are close and Sydney have less money tied up in their young players.



Worpel is still a second year draftee but the other 4 would eat up $2m+. Heeney would be on a decent contract but the rest not a great deal.

Moving forward Hawthorn in a better position to bring in players from other teams based on recent years, Sydney already able to add Blakey, Heeney, Mills without paying market value on draft day.

In 14/15 Sydney got Heeney and Mills. Hawthorn traded for O'Rourke then got Lovell and Burton. It's a fair free kick to the Swans when both teams were top sides.

doesnt matter if they have money tied up in players if the players are worth the money... Would rather pay Sicily 600k than Mills 400k for example (no clue if thats what theyre on, just giving an example of the difference)

 

[Scotland]

doesnt matter if they have money tied up in players if the players are worth the money... Would rather pay Sicily 600k than Mills 400k for example (no clue if thats what theyre on, just giving an example of the difference)

Does matter as both teams have older players finishing up soon. If you've already tied up money in the next brigade then it doesn't give you as much scope to recruit. Sicily is indeed better than Mills but both teams are ordinary.

I'm interested to see what Sydney do. They used to Moneyball it and bring in guys like Shaw, Mattner, Bolton, Kennedy, Mumford etc who were undervalued elsewhere. In recent years Mitchell went to Hawthorn and now Newman is at Carlton. These sort of guys used to go to Sydney not from.

 

[nahnah]

Does matter as both teams have older players finishing up soon. If you've already tied up money in the next brigade then it doesn't give you as much scope to recruit. Sicily is indeed better than Mills but both teams are ordinary.

I'm interested to see what Sydney do. They used to Moneyball it and bring in guys like Shaw, Mattner, Bolton, Kennedy, Mumford etc who were undervalued elsewhere. In recent years Mitchell went to Hawthorn and now Newman is at Carlton. These sort of guys used to go to Sydney not from.

Hawks are ordinary but still have a lot of really good players and a great coach, wouldn't write them completely off to turn it around in a couple seasons.. from all the rumours they seemingly have enough coin to be chasing Coniglio after missing out on Lynch. Where on the other hand I think (and no offense to them) swans are awful, bottom 4, need a clean out.

 

[WilloTree]

I'll wait and see if Hawks get Coniglio.

 

[jackster83]

I’d disagree, Sydney have Mills, heyward, papley, Hewett, Ronke, Blakey, McCartin, Alir alir, Lloyd and Jones who should all be around for a fair while and are 25 or under.

They have exposed more decent youth to AFL football than hawthorn over recent years.

They still need more, they also have the issue of buddy being contracted until 2022

Most of those players you've quoted are only ever going to be average. Mills is shaping up to be a bust. Hayward and Blakey the only ones with AA potential.

 

[FISTO]

Hard to get excited either way tbh

 

[WWSD]

Sydney will be back up there in 2-3 years again so I don’t think they have anything to worry about.

Until Hawthorn fix their lack of quality key position players they won’t be making much inroads anytime soon.

I’m a lot more worried about the lack of quality key position players then the midfield. I personally don’t think the Hawks midfield is that bad. It ain’t the best going around, but it ain’t the worst either.

If you were to take out any teams number one midfielder they too would struggle to win many games.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Sydney
18-23 (14)
Rowbottom 18.7, McInerney 18.8, Blakey 19.2, McCartin 19.4, Stoddart 19.6, Hayward 20.6, Florent 20.9, Ronke 21.4, Clarke 21.10, Dawson 22.0, Mills 22.1, Melican 22.6, Papley 22.9, Heeney 22.11

23-29 (15)
Rose 23.0, Hewett 23.4, O'Riordan 23.6, Cameron 23.9, Jones 24.1, Aliir 24.7, Thurlow 25.1, Cunningham 25.4, Lloyd 25.7, Fox 26.0, Parker 26.6, Naismith 26.9, Ried 27.4, Menzel 27.7, Rampe 28.11

29+ (6)
Sinclair 29.7, Kennedy 30.10, Jack 31.10, Franklin 32.3, Grundy 32.11, McVeigh 34.0

I admit that I don't follow Sydney that closely, so perhaps I'm under-rating some guys. But even with the top-ups from other clubs (Thurlow, Menzel etc), it seems you have a massive 'gap' in your list in the mid 20s range.

You're really very dependent on your ageing stars and promising kids...

 

[Loken]

Hawks, they have a Brownlow medalist to come back in eventually.

Returning from a broken leg, not something that has been done immediately in the AFL.

 

[Loken]

I would take Sydney merely for the reason they know they have to rebuild and have started the process.

 

[HolyWars]

Trading Burton was a big mistake IMO. I personally would've kept him and let Wingard stay at Port if another deal wasn't possible.

I think we're in a better position due to not having to worry about Buddy's contract and having Clarkson.

 

[Young Gun #6]

We can basically exclude the over 29’s going forward. I think Hawks have more talent especially in that 23-26 year old group. They’ll also keep recruiting as well and could get Coniglio and a few others which are massive boosts just because players want to play for Clarko. Excluding that though, Sydney are actually playing these kids right now and a lot of them aren’t showing much which it’s good that they’re getting games into them but it also means what I have seen so far points more to Hawks being ahead purely because they have more proven talent in that 23-27 year old group that will still be there for 5-8 more years.

I’m taking:

Mitchell, Sicily, Wingard, Scrimshaw, Worpel, Scully, O’Meara, Gunston

Over

Heeney, Lloyd, Alir, Mills, Papley, Hewett, Jones and Parker.

I think if we knew teams would be more reliant on re-building and not on their 25-28 year old players along with recruiting I’d be saying Sydney as their under 24’s are well ahead of Hawthorn’s. However, Hawks have an advantage in their prime age spot which will impact the win column more over the next 2-3 years.

After that period, say 5 years from now from a stand alone list perspective I’d rather Sydney but who knows how both teams draft and recruit.

 

[Nuwanda]

The biggest problem the Swans have is that Buddy is commanding big $$$ in their salary cap. Heavily back loaded so they are going to really need to rely on academy and shrewd young draft selections.

Still, I think the swans are going to be able to turn it around quicker than the hawks.

They have some young players there that are probably a couple of years behind the equivalent hawks and so there is a real chance that they emerge.

 

[The King!]

Would rather any clubs list over Sydney. We’re dealing with a club that hasnt had to rebuilt in over 20 years because of salary cap advantages. A culture built around privilege isn’t conducive to bottoming out

Lol like Visy deals or endless top picks as advantages

Oh no that’s your shitty club

 

[RUNVS]

I admit that I don't follow Sydney that closely, so perhaps I'm under-rating some guys. But even with the top-ups from other clubs (Thurlow, Menzel etc), it seems you have a massive 'gap' in your list in the mid 20s range.

You're really very dependent on your ageing stars and promising kids...

You aren't wrong as that is something a lot of Swans fans have brought up as well as the list of players we have in their prime ages (mid 20's) is actually quite poor. Basically our recruiting 7 to 10 years ago is biting us on the arse as we clearly did not do a very good job in that period.

 

[Messenger]

Sydney recruit well and so will make good use a top 10 pick. But they were shut out of FA and we have to see if the last years of Buddy's mildly backended deal causes them issues.

I wasn't thrilled with the Wingard deal but more to do with the use of the pick than Burton. Burton is OK, but calling him "future AA" as someone did in this thread is courageous.

A lot of Hawthorn's mid tier isn't going to make it, Langford is already gone, Minchington will be. And real problems with KP spots.

 

[Burtman]

I understand people hate hawthorn but surely you can’t look at those lists with an unbiased view and say Sydney’s is better. Mitchell, O’Meara, worpel, gunston, Breust, wingard, Scully, Sicily, impey, shiels all have at least 4 years left. There’s at least 6 guys there who have been AA or are capable of getting there. Who on Sydney’s list is capable of that? Heeney will never be a AA mid. Could make it as a half forward but even that’s doubtful. Lloyd is AA quality but a back pocket. Parker isn’t what he used to be. Jones is alright but probably gone at the end of the year. Papleys looking good. Mills has stalled, Allir looks pretty good, the rest seem to be decent roleplayers but not stars of the game. Imagine if Sydney didn’t get Heeney and Blakey on the cheap. Could be a lot worse

 

[adammania9]

Honestly, Hawthorn and it’s not even close. Not only are Sydney down at the moment but their list is blegh. I reckon they have the most undesirable list in the competition.

 

[Shanghaistu]

Any list except ours would seem a good bet at this stage....