Which team is not "on the right track"?

[Gavin Excell]

Melbourne by all accounts are on the right track. Have taken their medicine and got the early picks in the draft and are starting to show results. Developing a half decent back line including Frawley, Garland and Grimes which will serve them well over the next 5 years.

Tigers getting thumped but many are also saying they too are on the correct path.

Is there any team, by virtue of their decision making at trade table or gameplan strategy, that isn't on the right track?

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

I'm saying Brisbane.

I think the Lions are going for guys like Fevola and relying on Brown alongside aging midfielders like Black and Power, they will struggle in the next few years, no doubt about it...

 

[DrummoSolo]

Adelaide and Hawthorn right now.

 

[BEEG]

I'm saying Brisbane.

I think the Lions are going for guys like Fevola and relying on Brown alongside aging midfielders like Black and Power, they will struggle in the next few years, no doubt about it...

100% on the money

Going to get blokes that are not the greatest footballers and are late 20's was just stupid i believe

Stupid to trade away 1st rounders young KPP and lose a club great with still a few years left for nothing when there midfield should have been the thing they were looking to improve i would say Brisbane almost have the slowest midfield in the comp

The only good pick up Brisbane got was Maguire

Fev will be at another club in 2 years

 

[AG]

Hawthorn have plenty of youngsters so they should be ok in the future.

Adelaide probably need to figure out what they do for the rest of the year. They also have some good youngsters but it's a bit of a worry if they are near the bottom and it's guys like Johncock, McLeod and Goodwin who are still amongst their best all the time (only from the games I've watched). Obviously they have had a shocking run with injuries so maybe it's just one of those years you forget and then they bounce back next season.

 

[LaMasque]

Agreed, Adelaide and Hawthorn are in trouble.

Adelaide are in deeper though, still so many seniors on their list.

Brisbane will be interesting.
Still too early to see if they are heading in the right direction with all their trades.

But I'm going to say Carlton will be a surprise.
They don't have a defence, or main targets up forward.
It's working for them at the moment because they are fast, but when the youth of other teams catches up, the cracks will start to appear.
I just can't see Carlton's list improving much more than it has in the last 2 years, and I believe they will fall short.

One team that is definately heading in the right direction is Essendon.
watch out for them in a couple of years.

 

[Makka]

I guess Adelaide is the one that stands out for me!

 

[El_Scorcho]

Port wont seriously challenge for a flag while our forwardline strategy is the way it is currently.

We lead our big forwards out of the 50m arc and base our attack around Motlop and Ebert, two massively inconsistent footballers. We create a lot of goals out of forward line pressure but we rarely if ever hit a leading key forward on the chest 30m out straight in front.

This strategy works against defences we can outhussle or outclass, but premiership calibre teams will cut us to pieces by shutting Motlop and Ebert out of the game and overcoming our forward defensive pressure with slick and intelligent ball movement.

We've been doing it for years, basically since Tredrea injured his knee in 2006, and we couldn't base the forwardline around him anymore. It can work on it's day, but it doesn't stand up to pressure. Until we sack the hell out of Jason Cripps or someone in the coaches box speaks up to fix this glaring issue, we'll never be a real chance.

 

[AG]

100% on the money

Going to get blokes that are not the greatest footballers and are late 20's was just stupid i believe

Stupid to trade away 1st rounders young KPP and lose a club great with still a few years left for nothing

The only good pick up Brisbane got was Maguire

Fev will be at another club in 2 years

I still think Voss was right to do what he did. Funny thing is that most of the recruits have been amongst their best. Fev has had his moments, Maguire has been excellent, while Staker and Raines deserve their spots in the team.
They are missing their whole defence apart from Maguire and they have Brennan and Drummond out for a while so injuries are a legitimate excuse for them.

Voss took the track of short term success, which can still happen while Black and Brown are playing well. But they must have a near fully fit 22 to be any hope, which looks unlikely this year. They still have another 2 years for Voss's plan to work.

 

[lionbear]

Brisbane are having a crack at a flag in the next year or two, is it going about it the right way? Time will tell, but will go into full rebuild in 2012.

Don't forget Brisbane might as well draft aging stars at the moment because Gold Coast get all the Queensland Talent for the next couple of years and the Lions have to fill the void then start to rebuild on the other side.

Brisbane aren't on the right track long term, but we might as well have a go at steeling a flag for Brown, Black & Power while we don't get a look at any genuine Queensland talent.

 

[AG]

But I'm going to say Carlton will be a surprise.
They don't have a defence, or main targets up forward.
It's working for them at the moment because they are fast, but when the youth of other teams catches up, the cracks will start to appear.
I just can't see Carlton's list improving much more than it has in the last 2 years, and I believe they will fall short.

They have a very good defence. Sort of agree with the forward line but it has proved everyone wrong so far, so it would be stupid to right them off again. Midfield and defence are set for the future. They just need Henderson to find form or Waite to actually pull his finger out and sit at CHF. Setanta could be the answer deep in the forward line. They are set for crumbers and medium sized forwards though.

 

[Barnzy]

I still think Voss was right to do what he did. Funny thing is that most of the recruits have been amongst their best. Fev has had his moments, Maguire has been excellent, while Staker and Raines deserve their spots in the team.
They are missing their whole defence apart from Maguire and they have Brennan and Drummond out for a while so injuries are a legitimate excuse for them.

I don't think he was right at all. He went and topped up ala Wallace foolishly by grabbing ordinary B and C graders in Raines, Staker, Clarke, Buchanan, etc. While that may create some depth for injuries it will not be enough to lift them from finals outfit to premiership contender, no way. Their midfield is just not good enough and IMO they won't go close to winning a flag while Brown, Black, Power and co are still around playing good football over the next year or 2.

I'm calling it now - Voss great footballer, shit list manager. His head will surely have to be on the chopping block if this plan fails which I think it will.

 

[Blues_Man]

Agreed, Adelaide and Hawthorn are in trouble.

Adelaide are in deeper though, still so many seniors on their list.

Brisbane will be interesting.
Still too early to see if they are heading in the right direction with all their trades.

But I'm going to say Carlton will be a surprise.
They don't have a defence, or main targets up forward.
It's working for them at the moment because they are fast, but when the youth of other teams catches up, the cracks will start to appear.
I just can't see Carlton's list improving much more than it has in the last 2 years, and I believe they will fall short.

One team that is definately heading in the right direction is Essendon.
watch out for them in a couple of years.

The stupidity of the average colonwood supporter is highlighted once again ...i'm tipping the pies will be struggle going forward, particuarly around finals time they will struggle, when Cloke Medhurst Davis Thomas and co go missing .

Dees, Blues, Bombers are on the right track...with the Blues further advanced than the other 2.

The tigers have been on the right track but just plain stuffed up .
The Lions stuffed up in drafting retreads and Fev.
Hawks have enough talent to get themselves back on track .
Adelaide will need to fill a few gaps to get back on rack .

 

[AG]

Richmond didn't have many stars at the time for Wallace to build around though. Brown, Fevola, Black and a solid defender are worth building around. Staker, Raines and Maguire have been more than handy so I don't think you can question who he has picked, just whether it was worth giving up potential long term success for potential shorter term success.

 

[Woody15]

brisbane not on the right track for me.

i dont see a flag in the next 2 years based on the fact they have selected 'aging stars' in the likes of brent staker, xavier clarke and andrew raines. fevola is anyones guess really.

granted they have a few injuries, but even at full strength, they dont have the list to push a geelong or collingwood. voss might have had a short term success plan, but its gonna bite him hard on the ass in the long run.

 

[Kramer1]

Richmond aren't really on any sort of track at the moment. Committing to a youth policy is not a guarantee of success X number of years down the track. They still have a fair bit if dead wood to cut, and need some of the higher rated young guys to come on in a bit of a hurry. Gales plan is stupid.

Bulldogs are an interesting one. In two years time you could assume Hall, Aker, Eagleton and Johnson are gone, Hahn, Giansiracusa, Gilbee, Hargreave, Morris, Lake and Murphy will all be 30 odd. I think they are an excellent unit, but there are a lot of eggs in the one basket at the moment.

Never liked the Brisbane plan much...can understand the thinking in loading up while Brown, Black, Power and co are all still contributors, I just think they took the wrong cattle. They need pace, and in hindsight someone like a Lucas or Melksham would have been a great fit with guys like Banfield coming through.

 

[laminex]

Agreed, Adelaide and Hawthorn are in trouble.

Adelaide are in deeper though, still so many seniors on their list.

Brisbane will be interesting.
Still too early to see if they are heading in the right direction with all their trades.

But I'm going to say Carlton will be a surprise.
They don't have a defence, or main targets up forward.
It's working for them at the moment because they are fast, but when the youth of other teams catches up, the cracks will start to appear.
I just can't see Carlton's list improving much more than it has in the last 2 years, and I believe they will fall short.

One team that is definately heading in the right direction is Essendon.
watch out for them in a couple of years.

Blind hate is all this post is about, We have a strong backline a great midfeild and a forward line that with age will be fantastic, We are a very very young team how can you say we will not improve ? the fact is we have far more upside than may other clubs.

 

[absy]

I have no idea why people include Thomas in 'collonwood gone missing' lists, he's a great finals performer.

Remember this?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrOcG-7VIw[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Barnzy]

Richmond didn't have many stars at the time for Wallace to build around though. Brown, Fevola, Black and a solid defender are worth building around. Staker, Raines and Maguire have been more than handy so I don't think you can question who he has picked, just whether it was worth giving up potential long term success for potential shorter term success.

Black and Power are not what they once were. I wouldn't call them 'stars' anymore but good solid footballers. Brown is a star when fit, Fevola was a star at Carlton when he got great service from a great midfield now he's getting average service from an average midfield. What other stars do they have? Possible Drummond if you classify him as a star. They don't have the likes of Ablett, Bartel, Selwood, Chapman, Dal Santo, Montagna, Hayes, Goddard, Swan, Pendlebury, Didak, etc running around for them.

They are a solid team no doubt, a top 6 team potentially but top 4 and potential premiership contender to push the likes of St Kilda, Geelong, Collingwood, Dogs? No way. Even Brisbane fans could admit that. He's traded away a lot of their future at a misguided attempt at success.

 

[AG]

I agree they are never going to be table toppers but they could still pinch a flag. I'd still call Black a star.

 

[PatrickBateman]

I have no idea why people include Thomas in 'collonwood gone missing' lists, he's a great finals performer.

Remember this?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrOcG-7VIw[/YOUTUBE]

To be honest I think he's unfairly pointed out as a star player for your club, and expected to be a game breaker... which he never has been anyway. I agree that he has performed OK in finals, not much better or worse than his H&A form. Thomas' problem being that he has been grossly overrated by the media, therefore expected to be something that he isn't.. Didak, Davis etc. are expected to perform at least near their best in finals and have been way off it.

 

[krisholio14]

Brisbane, Adelaide and Hawthorn seem to be the concensus, and I agree.

Brissy decided to trade picks and youngsters for Fev and the pu pu platter.

The Crows have a void in class between their grizzled vets and emerging youngsters (many of whom are ouot injured or carrying injuries).

There are too many people at Hawthorn who are still a bit too pleased with themselves after 2008 methinks.

 

[Invigoration]

Brisbane and Adelaide are the obvious ones. Brisbane has made some terrible blunders over the off-season and Adelaide is just a rabble at present. Hawthorn as well probably.

I dunno how anyone could name the Blues (even out of hatred), they are so far progressed from the Pagan and co days it isn't funny. Their drafting hit rate has approved (albeit helped a lot by very early picks), they've off-loaded Fevola, new facilities, young and exciting group. The baggers are finally on the right path which is why it's disappointing for them that I don't think they've even beaten last years membership number and supposedly upwards of 10k people haven't renewed simply because of Fevola?
Baffling stuff.

I dunno whether St.Kilda are on the right path, their intentions in the off-season were probably good, but they completely screwed the pooch. They got rid of some absolute quality and replaced it with trash, if they don't win the cup during these years their decisions made during this off-season will be looked upon very poorly in the future.
Lyon isn't sending a great message at the moment with his complete lack of faith in his troops minus Riewoldt. Their depth has been pretty badly exposed as well which doesn't bode well for the future.

 

[Damon_3388]

Don't forget Brisbane might as well draft aging stars at the moment because Gold Coast get all the Queensland Talent for the next couple of years and the Lions have to fill the void then start to rebuild on the other side.

The Lions are allowed to draft players from outside of Queensland, you know.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Adelaide, Brisbane and St. Kilda are all 'on the wrong track' IMO.