Which team list would you least want?

[La Dispute]

To be fair if any team that gets a few stars through free agency and develop some fringe stars will be probably contending. Not really a sign of where the Carlton list is at.

Brisbane weren’t contending when Neale signed on, same with Prestia at Richmond. Players read the tea leaves and make decisions on all sorts of factors, but potential is still a major driver.

If Carlton start making the finals, or even get up to 9th-10th, high caliber players will look to join on. Being a big club, and having the opportunity to play in front of big crowds is another huge pull factor.

We already had Papley request to join last year. It’s only a matter of time before other quality players want in.

 

[Atomboy]

Yeah I have corrected myself about the ruck because I totally forgot about Rowan. He’s fantastic.

Max King is a good prospect, but who else other than Josh Battle and King do St Kilda have as an upcoming KPP? That’s the reason why I was a little worried. Carlisle would be 29 years old by the end of this year and Nathan Brown is 31 years old and there seems to be barely any KPPs on the list in line to replace them. To me, St Kilda lack in depth across the entire field other than mid-sized forwards and defenders (which they seem to have plenty of).

The list can work out over a couple of drafts/trade periods and I am confident someone like Ratten would be able to make it work, but it’s probably the list I would take the least because I personally wouldn’t know how to go about it

It's our midfield that is deplorable, it is very one-paced (Ross, Steele, Dunstan, Hannebery). Needed Hill and Jones on-board to provide a bit of zip so I don't mind that as a short-term fix.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Three bonafide stars is more than most teams have! Get a few more via free agency, and develop some quasi stars in the Prestia, Edwards range and we’re off to the races.

Martin will likely end up your Prestia-type acquisition - not a massive get by any margin, but should prove to be a solid top-10 player within your club and eventually could provide the point of difference in big games. Anyone saying they'd want Carlton's list less than any other's is insane. I'm not saying Carlton have the best list, but they are far, far away from the worst

 

[Lsta062]

KPP's, especially defence which you have singled out, is the last issue with our list.
Howard should be FB for a long time. Battle at CHB and Wilkie did a fantastic job at our 3rd tall all year. All 23 or under.
On top of Austin (24), Marsh (24), Joyce (22) who have all been competent back up defenders at AFL level.

KPF stocks are thin, with a lot of hope on King's shoulders or the option of moving Battle forward again if any of the back-ups come on more the expected. But we already have Brown replaced and many options to replace Carlisle in a few years.

Maybe I think the KPD stocks are a little bare because I don’t really rate Howard. I used to back in 2017-2018, but I want to see a little more after the 2019 season. Maybe the change in teams will help him in his development.

If Howard makes it, then I think I’ll be more inclined to agree with you. But if he doesn’t at least become serviceable, then I don’t know if I’d stray too far away from my current perspective.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Pretty happy with Taryn Thomas, Jy Simpkin, LDU, Cam Zurhaar, Nick Larkey, Paul Ahern, Bailey Scott.

I'm convinced people just don't watch NM games.

I watch all games and that is a very ordinary list of players.

 

[prodigy1311]

Martin will likely end up your Prestia-type acquisition - not a massive get by any margin, but should prove to be a solid top-10 player within your club and eventually could provide the point of difference in big games. Anyone saying they'd want Carlton's list less than any other's is insane. I'm not saying Carlton have the best list, but they are far, far away from the worst

You mean Dion Prestia, 2019 B&F winner in a premiership winning team.?

 

[Virgin Dog]

You mean Dion Prestia, 2019 B&F winner in a premiership winning team.?

Never said he's not a very good player, but he wasn't a huge get at the time (not like Lynch, for example), and he's clearly not your best player. Plenty of very good players win best and fairests thanks to being consistently very good rather than being outright stars

 

[LordLucifer]

Question is basically in the title. Basically I am asking in this thread which club do you think is a combination of furthest from a flag and possibly least exciting going forward?

Basically …..……………. I couldn't care less.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Yeah definitely agree but it’s only 2 and Hurley spent much of last year playing as a mid size defender so structurally isn’t that important. Hooker is a jet though and is pretty much irreplaceable.

Either way I think Essendon is a poor nomination.

Think the knock on Essendon has a lot to do with the seeming refusal to recruit/draft inside midfielders over many years
It’s a real reason why Essendon get shown up in crunch matches

 

[Kwality]

I watch all games and that is a very ordinary list of players.

Depth is a problem across the comp, plenty of very ordinary players on all lists.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I watch all games and that is a very ordinary list of players.

That’s as good a crop of first to third year players in the comp

 

[Tenny]

I don’t mind Carlton’s list. I think they will play finals eventually but I think that’s where they will peak. One A grader at present. Maybe one or two will break into that category but sides like Richmond and GWS have about seven or eight with plenty of talent in the tier below.

The other problem I think they face is once their newly recruited kids start reaching their golden years, Cripps will be 30 and pretty banged up from carrying their midfield for years. That’s what happens when you bottom out for too long.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Depth is a problem across the comp, plenty of very ordinary players on all lists.

I don’t disagree.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That’s as good a crop of first to third year players in the comp

Oh please. That is a list of excessively ordinary young players.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Oh please. That is a list of excessively ordinary young players.

Pls do list your 1 to 3 year players to compare

 

[Freomaniac]

Why did you @ me.

I couldn't care less about what Ross Lyon does

make Ross Lyon great again lol

 

[Damon_3388]

Given free choice of any team list, why would you bother with "building"? Why not just pick the best list available and try to win now?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don’t mind Carlton’s list. I think they will play finals eventually but I think that’s where they will peak. One A grader at present. Maybe one or two will break into that category but sides like Richmond and GWS have about seven or eight with plenty of talent in the tier below.

The other problem I think they face is once their newly recruited kids start reaching their golden years, Cripps will be 30 and pretty banged up from carrying their midfield for years. That’s what happens when you bottom out for too long.

We started our rebuild when Cripps was 20. He is a couple of years older than Weitering, Curnow and McKay. A lot of players will be 24+, the start of the ideal peak years when Cripps is 27.

 

[spudmaster]

Probably GWS's.
To have to let go two-thirds of the list to be able to fit in under a legitimate cap would be tough.

 

[Coaster2012]

Please tell me how that makes any difference? You discovered BigFooty in 2012, me in 2017. You flog.

You became a member a month after you won your first flag in the modern era. Says it all really. #bandwagoner

 

[Dez!]

make Ross Lyon great again lol

For the love of God dude let it go.

 

[Yojimbo]

Obviously there are many factors that contribute to success, static defence, transitional defence, midfield
depth and link, spread, keeping the width, static forwards and transitional forwards, bench impact to
name a few. On a ladder which has a focus on one small part of the ground, but the part which contains
the scoring end goal posts the bottom four teams for 2019 were;

15th: GWS Giants
16th: Geelong
17th: Sydney
18th: Gold Coast

Hang on two of those sides played in Preliminary Finals how can this be ?

That is a very week answer to a provocative question meant to trigger a host of mine is bigger than yours type
responses. I know what you are saying, but there are a host of new coaches this year that no doubt will cast
fresh eyes over their teams lists plus a heap of returning and traded players that could add steel and depth.
I guess a good answer is to look at Richmond they do not have the most talented list yet no one can deny
their sense of team and system and that mystery zen component. I guess if I had to choose one team it
would be Gold Coast because their list of unproven players combined with the obligation to play said players
it is a pretty lethal combination in the short term saying that they beat us twice last season JLT and Main
season so in reality they could be the sleeper of the competition. The Brisbane method could use a tidy up
as it was very Alf Stewart, Home and Away. Essendon conceded the most 400+ possession games one ahead
of Richmond, but unlike Richmond they don't mean to.

 

[Dez!]

That is a very week answer to a provocative question meant to trigger a host of mine is bigger than yours type
responses. I know what you are saying, but there are a host of new coaches this year that no doubt will cast
fresh eyes over their teams lists plus a heap of returning and traded players that could add steel and depth.
I guess a good answer is to look at Richmond they do not have the most talented list yet no one can deny
their sense of team and system and that mystery zen component. I guess if I had to choose one team it
would be Gold Coast because their list of unproven players combined with the obligation to play said players
it is a pretty lethal combination in the short term saying that they beat us twice last season JLT and Main
season so in reality they could be the sleeper of the competition. The Brisbane method could use a tidy up
as it was very Alf Stewart, Home and Away. Essendon conceded the most 400+ possession games one ahead
of Richmond, but unlike Richmond they don't mean to.

Are you debating with yourself?

 

[TigerTime88]

Fit and Injury free Hanners and Carlisle are genuine A Grades though. Hill who we overpaid for imo but he is arguably the best wingman, or top 2 with Gaff.

Jones and Steele have potential.

I think most of these deals have clauses, or front ended contracts.

Unless you have a time machine a fit Hanners ain't happening. That was a shocking trade by St Kilda that made no sense.

Carslile was looking like a gun CHB but never really kicked on but has potential.

Jones IMO is another putrid trade. A very average football who has never found a heap of it and is a bit of a butcher.




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[Bicko]

You became a member a month after you won your first flag in the modern era. Says it all really. #bandwagoner

That doesn’t mean anything, considering I didn’t know BigFooty existed Until Nov 17. Your making an assumption, yet you don’t even know me. #Fool.