Yep! As well as being investigated for serious matters of corruption. Then there's a teenager who was concerned about her brothers welfare who slaps a smirking soldier facing 10 years jail. It's egregious and unconscionable.
Why boycotting Israel matters
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It's an inversion of logic & reality, is what it is.....Much the same precepts as our MSM is prefaced upon, when it comes to geo-politics of any kind.
That a kid throwing rocks is a 'Terrorist' & soldiers with tanks, sub-macine-guns & bombs are 'Peace-Keepers'.....Orwell would be proud.
Mate, the killing of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc etc etc for the simple fact that they are Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc etc etc is f*****g wrong ! The killing, torture and terrorising of people for whatever reason is f*****g wrong so lets not get into, "here's 2,000 deaths and I'll raise you another 2,000.".
You mentioned the Chechens. During the Cold War, the Chechens were freedom fighters, no mention of them being Muslims as well. Now, the Chechens are terrorists as well as Muslims. Saddam Hussien was a magnificent ally for freedom and liberty when he waged war on Iran on "our" behalf but down the track a bit, he was a terrorist who had weapons of mass destruction so we wonderful people of the West, first starved the Iraqi population for years and kept them from receiving any medical supplies and then we bombed them into the stone age. Was that because they were Muslims or terrorists or both?
Why does everything have to be "left" or "right". Why is there only just "good guys" and "bad guys"? I'll tell ya why, because the simpler it is, the easier it is to recruit people to one's cause and whilst the bourgeoisie, the chattering classes and the wannabe's quarrel amongst themselves as to who are the "goodies" and the "baddies", too busy calling themselves and others "lefties" or "righties", it's the working poor, the poor and the marginalised who they get to fight the wars on their behalf, it's the working poor, the poor and the marginalised who are the fodder for war and all the while, the profit machine keeps whirring.
South Africa was the template for what should be done to force change and liberate a people from an oppressor and that is, the instalment of proper sanctions and by proper sanctions I don't mean like the ones perpetrated against the Iraqi people whilst Saddam and the boys continued to live it up and disgusting governments like Australia could easily get around the "sanctions" so the profiteers of war, like Alexander Downer and his mates, continued to make a motza, I mean South African sanctions that hurt the well to do where it hurts the most, their pockets and these types of sanctions and boycotts must be applied to Israel because they, the Government of Israel, have shown beyond doubt, that they are not interested in anyway to forge a peaceful resolution but instead, continue on with conquering and subsuming more and more land rendering the occupants of this land, destitute, homeless and stateless.
There has been enough killing and destruction and we must seek peace but peace is illusory whilst the fascist Government of Israel continues it's vile crusades and that has nothing to do with being "left" or "right", Muslim, Jew, Christian etc etc etc but all to do with basic human rights.
I disagree the occupation of Palestine is just a question of human rights violations, though that's the outcome. I'd suggest history points to the cause being substantially religious. So what's the solution to the flagrant violation of a peoples human rights? Saying we must seek peace but its illusory et al gets us nowhere.
The problem is it's not in the financial, strategic and political interests of Israel to genuinely commit to peace. They hold all the cards and the only country who can play honest broker has failed miserably and is now no more than the handmaiden of Israel.
The hope comes with the remaining countries standing-up against the misery, suffering and apartheid being perpetrated by Israel. There have been countless UN resolutions condemning Israel and the international court of justice found the annexing of the West Bank illegal. Yet Israel thumbs its nose at these resolutions, findings and world opinion condemning them.
The way forward is boycotts of companies who profit from the occupation. Encouraging the voices of the former soldiers from "Breaking the Silence", "Rabbis for Peace", Jews with social consciences like Gideon Levy and Antony Loewenstein - all of whom have been pilloried and in some cases criminalised. And those wonderful brave group of 63 teenagers who refused to be drafted into the Israel army because they will not "to take part in the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people". They are the hope, small as it is.
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Israel was the Brain-child of the Yanks & the Poms to begin with, & was founded upon Colonial & Imperialistic notions.....The whole idea of it's creation & placement in the first place, was one of the pillars that lay behind the conclusion to the Second World War.....It was 100% strategic & had everything to do with establishing a stronghold & beach-head in the region for both religious & commodity purposes....One provides for the rationalization & cover for the usurpation of the other.
Much of the support for it's creation & establishment in the first place, was manufactured upon the 'Holocaust' reading, as the seminal understanding behind the events of the Second World War.....No one should be surprised then, that all the events that have occurred in the Middle East ever since, have been the logical extension for those self-same Imperialistic principles, that lay behind the establishment of the State of Israel in the first place.
The West has simply never cared about the Arabs, their rights or what they think....In spite of all the rhetoric & lip-service paid to them to the contrary....We have used the Arabs at every turn as playthings & puppets for our own Colonial & Imperialist ambitions....And all else is bunkum!
Much of the support for it's creation & establishment in the first place, was manufactured upon the 'Holocaust' reading, as the seminal understanding behind the events of the Second World War.....No one should be surprised then, that all the events that have occurred in the Middle East ever since, have been the logical extension for those self-same Imperialistic principles, that lay behind the establishment of the State of Israel in the first place.
The West has simply never cared about the Arabs, their rights or what they think....In spite of all the rhetoric & lip-service paid to them to the contrary....We have used the Arabs at every turn as playthings & puppets for our own Colonial & Imperialist ambitions....And all else is bunkum!
The State of Israel was created because of human rights violations against Jewish populations in many places. The fascist and racist government of Israel is perpetrating the same vile acts against Palestinians as it's people were subjected too: this is a pure and unambiguous case of human rights abuse. To confiscate a persons, a family's home and property and chuck them out onto the streets, is a violation of a human beings rights.
Every resolution that Israel thumbs it's nose too, it does with the complete and total support of the United States of America and that is why, it is able to get away with it. What is needed is what you said, "the remaining countries standing-up against the misery, suffering and apartheid being perpetrated by Israel." and the way to do that is for the remaining countries to have absolutely no financial dealings whatsoever with the Israeli Government, any Israeli company or Israeli and to boycott trade and financial dealings with countries who break these embargoes, whether it's the United States, Australia or whoever.
I would argue that this is THE only way to stop Israel doing what it's doing because no amount of UN resolutions or noble and honourable stances taken by Israeli citizens, will make one iota of difference so long as trade and financial dealings just keep going on: whilst it's business as usual. Change must come from within Israel itself and there are, as you have rightly pointed out, Israelis who are decent and honourable people and they need support, not militarily, not via violence and subterfuge but by strong and heavy handed sanctions to get through to all Israelis, that what their government is doing, is carrying out the same type of vile actions against another group of people that are absolutely no different to vilest actions of anti-semites perpetrated upon them and it must stop!
Stuff the USA! It's the rest of us that have to force Israel to negotiate the lifting of punitive sanctions against them and as part of those negotiations, there must be a stop to Israeli expansionist policy and statehood for the Palestinians but the first step, is to impose harsh and strong sanctions against Israel and any country or corporation that brakes these sanctions, they too must be embargoed.
War doesn't work, violence doesn't work, lip service doesn't work, talkfests and UN resolutions don't work and whilst we continue to do these same old things, over and over again and think that somehow, it'll bring peace and dignity to all, it's doing nothing but perpetuating the problems and ensures that business carries on regardless and those who genuinely want peace and an end to the atrocities, if they think we are getting somewhere, that there is some kind of "roadmap" to be had by following these proven failures, then they are delusional.
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We are in furious agreement for the most part.
Where we lose a little common ground is the significance of religion in the occupation and the creation of the so-called ‘homeland’ and particularly the central nature of that matter in perpetuating the inhumanity. It’s not something that can be just wiped from history. After all, it’s the redneck religious right who are Trumps base. Those who believe in the promised land, the Jews being the ‘chosen people’, and the reality - for them - of The Rapture. Successive Israel governments have used the promised land and religious history as a means of protecting and perpetuating their perceived interests and done so to great effect.
The other area of contention is just relying on the actions of other nations to redress the inhumanity. They have proven to be unwilling to do so and they have had plenty of reasons to take action. We, the people, have to be pro-active in support of those folk and organisations I’ve mentioned and push for boycotts, something Israel has used considerable effect itself.
Worth also mentioning is the matter of the very effective worldwide Jewish propaganda organisations who have the media very much in their pockets. The carrot and stick approach. Regular paid junkets to Israel which so many journos are quite happen to take. There's also threats to journos who seek to write critically of Israel. I’ve mentioned the coercion directed at Terry Lane and the late Jill Singer. Antony Loewenstein has many such accounts to relate like:
Then there was that perennial backbencher Michael Danby (presently being investigated for misuse of his parliamentary allowance btw) who called on Louise Adler of Melbourne University Press to prevail on her not to publish My Israel Question. Here is a member of parliament practicing the worse kind of censorship and denial of free speech. To her everlasting credit she sent him packing.
I mention the media because until the big outfits stop being complicit in this matter and until they become less influential and less manipulated and genuinely impartial any change to the inhumanity perpetrated by Israel will be unattainable.
In any event, the reality today is the Nakba was brutal as is the ongoing - and expanding - occupation and brutality which continues despite being sanctioned by the UN, found to be illegal by the international court of justice and condemned worldwide. The UN sanctions and the expansion of the occupation having been found illegal can be substantive grounds to pressure Israel. The problem isn’t those matters ‘don’t work’ it’s more they haven’t been given force. Until they are given force, which includes using them as one of the substantive reasons to boycott anyone who profits from the continued Israel occupation, they will remain just words. Israel has to be made accountable for its crimes. As Gideon Levy has said “blind support for Israel is not friendship”
He also says to achieve fairness and justice for the Palestinians we need "to believe in miracles and we need miracles" Sadly!
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https://www.wrmea.org/1995-septembe...-u.n.-peacekeeper-count-folke-bernadotte.html
Jewish Terrorists Assassinate U.N. Peacekeeper Count Folke Bernadotte
This is what happens to those who attempt to broker peace on behalf of Palestine.
And one of the assassins of this Stern gang of 3 terrorist murderers of high-ranking European officials was Yitzhak Shamir, who became Israeli Prime Minister in 1983.....And almost every Israeli P.M ever since then , has also had a terrorist back-ground......And why weren't these 3 men brought to justice on the international stage?
I'll leave you all to ponder that question & it's wider implications.
Suffice to say that it was rumored that Princess Di was going to announce herself as an ambassador for Palestine & her people, at the behest of Dodi Fayed, prior to her, errr 'Accident' shall we say!
Jewish Terrorists Assassinate U.N. Peacekeeper Count Folke Bernadotte
This is what happens to those who attempt to broker peace on behalf of Palestine.
And one of the assassins of this Stern gang of 3 terrorist murderers of high-ranking European officials was Yitzhak Shamir, who became Israeli Prime Minister in 1983.....And almost every Israeli P.M ever since then , has also had a terrorist back-ground......And why weren't these 3 men brought to justice on the international stage?
I'll leave you all to ponder that question & it's wider implications.
Suffice to say that it was rumored that Princess Di was going to announce herself as an ambassador for Palestine & her people, at the behest of Dodi Fayed, prior to her, errr 'Accident' shall we say!
People generally and especially muslims and yes most jews only look through a prism of the ME and their own religion and generally its totally unbalanced. Although the israelis have a fair point about getting wiped out, no one cares about christians getting killed in north africa or muslims in burma. On a scale of killing the palestinans are way way down the list, its just that we and the un perpetuate their victim hood by proping them up for the last 70 years.
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That's quite hilarious given it's all the Muslims surrounding them who are being 'Wiped-out' as you say.
And yet, none of you are picking up on this inversion of the FACTS by the MSM press.....I'm not sure how many more millions of Muslims need to be murdered or displaced for the penny to drop with some people.
The world currently has 65 million displaced refugees (mostly Muslims)....The single biggest humanitarian crisis in the history of mankind on this planet & yet our Western MSM remains deathly silent over the number one humanitarian issue today.
Not sure how much more needs to happen until the penny drops with most people over who & what is to blame for all this carnage.
Or another way of putting it might be....more than 99% of the worlds population are not displaced refugees. Not too bad for what is basically a semi nomadic species. Much better than i thought at >99%. Be interesting to see the % when the worlds population was a qtr of what it is now.
I think you may need to go ask some oldies to get some humanitarian disaster perspective.
The world is quite stable at present. Politically as well.
We're even enjoying a relatively stable era in terms of major natural disasters, and the earths climate is up and down in a wonderful band for our species. Most of the earths disasters are simply caused by us changing our topography to suit us, plus a natural population explosion due to good times. Nothing much to worry about on the horizon though.
In relative terms...life is pretty damn good on Planet Earth right now. Who the hell would be a Martian.
Time to stop fretting about a tiny % who will always be moving about due to inevitable phuqwits with guns. Get out there and enjoy it. You dont have much time....i wouldnt waste it popping an artery about an irrelevant shithole that will still be arguing "my gods and trinkits are better than your gods and trinkits" and killing each other over it for another 1000 years to come.
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Someone has been over-dosing on the MSM Kool-aide then, I see.
And at 51, I'm more than conversed in historical perspective & analysis, thanks all the same.
Yes other muslims
On the palestinian front armies of syria lebanon and jordan have killed as many if not more palestinans than the idf. Palestinans killing other palestinans runs into the thousands as compared to 8000 by the idf since the first intifafa. If you millions of dead is right the idf is probaby 1 to 2% of it.
Hmm nahhh..u need to read it again. You really dont seem well versed at all.
Maybe take a break from yourself.
Take a holiday from whinging.
How about a nice afternoon nanna nap on a hammock under a tree, reading about something good about the world. There's plenty of good stuff you might enjoy.
The hammock might be loose with sharp nails hiding under the ground, you know zionists, they are everywhere.
No. ...not the dreaded ZIONISTS !!!
I better go check under my bed for them....they could be hiding along with the Commo's and the KKK. All just waiting to unleash hell.
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Nice deflection.....And total Bollocks to boot!
No. ...not the dreaded ZIONISTS !!!
I better go check under my bed for them....they could be hiding along with the Commo's and the KKK. All just waiting to unleash hell.
Better also chuck on your tinfoil hat so they can't read your mind! P35 is convinced the evil jews will read all our minds and take over the world and join the emperor to take over the galaxy.
It's amazing that people like P35 exist (I seriously had no idea before stumbling through this forum). Just a warning... Not once has he successfully engaged in debate, instead always choosing to deflect/ignore, put aside facts/logic/reason instead upholding anti-semtic rhetoric and unbacked conspiracy theories that suit his racist agenda. I and pretty much every other poster has torn him to shreds on here, to which he goes quiet only to return later like a cockroach. His posts are entertaining though!
So you're a 51 year old islamic apologist, racist conspiracy theorist (who hates jews/zionists the west, Australia etc.) holocaust denier, who has nothing better to do than to post on average 14 times a day on a football forum about how evil the zionists are.
LOL
The term get a life goes out the window with this one...
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And yet you still find me worthy of reply....That's so sweet of you strauchnyy.
And might I add, that your maths & keeping tabs of my posting history are both rather impressive.
Apparently the charge against protesting & boycotting Israel in some U.S States, in reaction to the BDS movement, (See Texas for an example) is $1 million Dollars & 20 years imprisonment....That only seems fair.
As Tacitus noted.....'To find out who rules you, ask who it is that you are not allowed to criticize.'....I believe we all have that answer now!...Even Trump is Israel & Bibi's little bitch.....Not to mention that Sheldon Adelson bought & paid for stooge in Nicky Haley in the U.N......What a joke that is.
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Here are Israeli's protesting against their own 'Crime-Minister' for the corrupt, xenophobic, mass-murdering, racist rat-bag that he is.
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The killing of Palestinians is not way down the list and I wish I could understand what you meant by "... we and the un perpetuate their victim hood by proping them up for the last 70 years."? Are you saying that we (whoever that is) and the United Nations has been propping up the Palestinians for 70 years? Once again sorry, I don't understand.
Palestinians have been getting killed for 70 years plus, the poor Rohingya have been getting clobbered bad in Myanmar since around 2015 and the s**t that's been happening in North Africa lately, is as a direct consequence of the Christian USA overthrowing democratically elected governments, financing death squads/paramilitary forces whilst the dog, Aung San Suu Kyi, another American stooge, is too busy meeting Hillary and attending cocktail parties with the Hyena Julie Bishop.
It does not matter one iota who is controlling who. The outcome is that people who just want to live a life with their families in peace, are being slaughtered, dispossessed, displaced and whether they be Christian, Muslim, Druze, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus whoever, black, white, purple, orange, polka dot... they are the victims of imperialist machinations where all tactics and religious zealotry is invoked to further progress the imperialists cause.
No human life is worth more or less than another and people like you, like me, like us, who live in this country should never just sit back and keep f****ng score of who died today and then have a go at others for not having as many of their lot being killed! Don't f**k me around by saying that no one cares about the Christians dying in North Africa or elsewhere, don't insult me or others by saying that we don't give a f**k about the Rohingyas. You and people like you are the pompous pricks that sit around compartmentalising the victims of terror, of war and then point the finger at them as if it's their fault! You see Muslims and Jews who show outrage at what is happening and you reckon that their anger, their indignation at what is happening to them and others as UNBALANCED?
You and other ********s like Tony Abbott reckon that people whose dignity, whose land and property are being bombed into oblivion should just sit there and cop it and not complain!
You have fallen victim to propaganda yourself. Do you know what you are talking about? Myanmar has a long long history of ethnic cleansing, rape, torture and assault of Rohingya's. Way beyond 2015. This s**t's exactly resembles Palestine if not worse. Just because MSM (whichever one you subscribe to) is not reporting it, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Ethnic cleansing (Palestinian style) been happening in Myanmar for 5 decades atleast. Please read.
https://theconversation.com/the-history-of-the-persecution-of-myanmars-rohingya-84040
In 1962, just over a decade later, a military coup culminated in a one-party military state where democratic governance was woefully lacking. During the next 60 years of military rule, things worsened for the Rohingya. The authorities saw the minority group as a threat to nationalist identity.
Calling them foreigners, the army killed, tortured and raped. They closed Rohingya social and political organizations. They also transferedprivate Rohingya businesses to the government, debilitating the group financially. Further, the Rohingya suffered forced labor, arbitrary detention and physical assaults. In 1991 and 1992, more than 250,000attempted to escape to Bangladesh.
In 1977, when the army launched a national drive to register citizens, the Rohingya were considered illegal. More than 200,000 Rohingya fled to Bangladesh at the time because of further atrocities.
More here:
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2017/9/12/the-rohingya-southeast-asias-palestinians
Myanmar stripped the Rohingya of their citizenship in 1982, and has since engaged in episodic attacks against this community, repeatedly forcing them to flee into neighboring countries, with harrowing stories of murder, rape and torched villages. Myanmar's official position is that the Rohingya are originally from Bangladesh, and it refers to them as "Bengalis," just as Israel would have the Palestinians be "southern Syrians," (as Golda Meir put it) or “Jordanian,” and refers to them as “Arab,” rather than Palestinian.
This is off-topic but there is no shortage of bias here, ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing, why should one get priority over others?
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