Why do workers vote Liberal?

[Pessimistic]

Thanks BM .Much of that is true, especially the influence of a captured media. But it doesn't really go to the heart of the matter. It doesn't explain why workers who get royally screwed year upon year in a practical sense vote for a party that boasts about caring more for big business - read only cares about big business - and gives effect to that ideology.

it’s always amusing failed socialism gets played over and over but electorates often turn to socialism when capitalism has failed that badly (try 1914-1945 for starters)

historically there would be ten times more failed capitalism at least

 

[Kwality]

No denying the depth of your feeling about Labor but your post is pretty short on actual examples of what it is that is so terrible about them.

Liberals are the sort who will cruise back and do Jack sh*t but sweep in and use these new powers for their own ends.
But in answer to OP workers will vote against Labor (I.e liberal because people are too stupid or exhausted or whatever to think otherwise and just vote opposite)

The elitist view that people who dont agree with you, arent as smart as as you are .... who are these elitists?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Do you ask yourself why the ALP campaigns of the 50s failed to win Government OR do you look to the lessons of 'the unloseable election' - the failures NOT the excuses ..... be honest with yourself or the 50s will continue to dog the faithful.
Its winnable, even loseable if you blame others.

The 50s was due to the split with the DLP

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Do you ask yourself why the ALP campaigns of the 50s failed to win Government OR do you look to the lessons of 'the unloseable election' - the failures NOT the excuses ..... be honest with yourself or the 50s will continue to dog the faithful.
Its winnable, even loseable if you blame others.

Bullshit, the DLP/LNP ran a scare campaign about Communism

You know nothing about history, you ignoramus

 

[Kwality]

The 50s was due to the split with the DLP

aka, the 50s arent relevant to why workers vote liberal.
The days when voting habits might have been passed down from generation to generation are well gone.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The 50s was due to the split with the DLP

Yep, Santamaria and his crazy National Civic Counsel poison

 

[Kwality]

Bullshit, the DLP/LNP ran a scare campaign about Communism

You know nothing about history, you ignoramus

You might read what I said Jack, or are you permanently mounted on your soap box:

 

[madmug]

Do you ask yourself why the ALP campaigns of the 50s failed to win Government OR do you look to the lessons of 'the unloseable election' - the failures NOT the excuses ..... be honest with yourself or the 50s will continue to dog the faithful.
Its winnable, even loseable if you blame others.

Maybe look at the post war situation. Reds under the bed scary stuff. Post war boom. Massive prices for wool exports. Growing cities, Lots of jobs, growing manufacturing industries. Cars, white goods, all the nice new consumerables for the baby boomer families.

The LNP painted the picture of a steady hand on the nation. Indeed even Menzies was more like modern Labor than the current LNP line of religious conservative who seem to infest the Parliament at the moment.

The effect of the RW Murdoch press in helping maintain this non event group running the nation now, cannot be understated.

The country would've been better off if Turnbull had held off the RW extremists in the LNP

So a little historic context to the electoral situation wouldn't hurt.

 

[Kwality]

Maybe look at the post war situation. Reds under the bed scary stuff. Post war boom. Massive prices for wool exports. Growing cities, Lots of jobs, growing manufacturing industries. Cars, white goods, all the nice new consumerables for the baby boomer families.

The LNP painted the picture of a steady hand on the nation. Indeed even Menzies was more like modern Labor than the current LNP line of religious conservative who seem to infest the Parliament at the moment.

The effect of the RW Murdoch press in helping maintain this non event group running the nation now, cannot be understated.

The country would've been better off if Turnbull had held off the RW extremists in the LNP

So a little historic context to the electoral situation wouldn't hurt.

If you are dinkum there is nothing to learn beyond the last election. Beware the paralysis of analysis to disguise your own failures. Learn from them, they are yours to control, or not.
No different here in Melbourne for the Libs, WA for the Libs .... they will never be in power until they own their 'own goals'.

The country would've been better off if Turnbull had held off the RW extremists in the LNP ....
He lost 16 seats at the previous election, does that tell you what the country said ? You cant rewrite history much as you might like to.

 

[madmug]

If you are dinkum there is nothing to learn beyond the last election. Beware the paralysis of analysis to disguise your own failures. Learn from them, they are yours to control, or not.
No different here in Melbourne for the Libs, WA for the Libs .... they will never be in power until they own their 'own goals'.

The country would've been better off if Turnbull had held off the RW extremists in the LNP ....
He lost 16 seats at the previous election, does that tell you what the country said ? You cant rewrite history much as you might like to.

Just what am i rewriting? You brought up the post war. I replied, then you attack that as irrelevant to the current situation!

So what are you actually discussing? What is your point as to why we had the mad Abbott, Turnbull, Scumo?

What positive policies attracted voters IYO?

 

[Power Raid]

The ALP policy was to allow negative gearing on new properties.

Thus it would have been the productive use of a tax deduction. If someone wanted to build 7 houses then so be it. It would be a great benefit for the economy.

Once again, like Medicare, NBN, Superannuation, the LNP would rather kill them through spite than admit the benefit the confer on the country.

As if the LNP would ever allow a wealth tax, no matter how much damage it does to the prospects of our young, & the working & middle classes.

LNP, the party for the 1950's.

not quite

the ALP policy was to maintain negative gearing for the wealthy and penalise the ordinary. The ALP needs a class divide to maintain the rage and they would have achieved this by allowing negative gearing against investment income rather than wages.

This means you could negative gear old properties provided you had a business and could turn wages into distributions, you had a daddy with a trust fund or just simply had loads of dividends. Meanwhile the ALPs policy only hurt the ordinary person whilst the person with 7 houses could buy his 8th and 9th property cheaper.

It was also a dumb policy as it hurt long term investment and promoted speculation. Essentially favouring gambling and day trading over investments in R&D, renewables, medicine, infrastructure etc.

Fortunately there were more people in the electorate who understood the ALP policy than didn't.


In regards to a wealth tax, this is a state issue not federal (like the GST) but it needs a strong PM to achieve it (like the GST). Unfortunately, I don't see a Keating, Hawke or Howard on the horizon.

 

[NSWCROW]

I don't think anyone on the dole votes liberal. (And this is coming from a liberal voter who believes that welfare should be increased).

**** knows how i only just saw this * shrugs *

They did last election.

Was data released that showed that lower-socio economic areas voted more lib, opposite was true in higher-income suburbs.

The eight charts that help explain why the Coalition won the 2019 Australian election

Electorates that swung to the government more likely to have higher unemployment, lower income and fewer migrants

www.theguardian.com

 

[madmug]

not quite

the ALP policy was to maintain negative gearing for the wealthy and penalise the ordinary. The ALP needs a class divide to maintain the rage and they would have achieved this by allowing negative gearing against investment income rather than wages.

This means you could negative gear old properties provided you had a business and could turn wages into distributions, you had a daddy with a trust fund or just simply had loads of dividends. Meanwhile the ALPs policy only hurt the ordinary person whilst the person with 7 houses could buy his 8th and 9th property cheaper.

It was also a dumb policy as it hurt long term investment and promoted speculation. Essentially favouring gambling and day trading over investments in R&D, renewables, medicine, infrastructure etc.

Fortunately there were more people in the electorate who understood the ALP policy than didn't.


In regards to a wealth tax, this is a state issue not federal (like the GST) but it needs a strong PM to achieve it (like the GST). Unfortunately, I don't see a Keating, Hawke or Howard on the horizon.

Grand fathering the current situation is a given.

But could you imagine the Murdoch press attack if they'd gone the whole hog?????

COMMUNISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing about fairness & equity in the tax system & a fairer balance between wages & wealth.

 

[Gough]

Grand fathering the current situation is a given.

But could you imagine the Murdoch press attack if they'd gone the whole hog?????

COMMUNISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing about fairness & equity in the tax system & a fairer balance between wages & wealth.

The unmitigated bollocks below should tell you that you're not replying to some who's posting in good faith.
" The ALP needs a class divide to maintain the rage"

 

[madmug]

The unmitigated bollocks below should tell you that you're not replying to some who's posting in good faith.
" The ALP needs a class divide to maintain the rage"

Obviously reads the Australian!

 

[Kram]

Rudd had it right with his "Working families" slogan that he used about a million times, the average Joe/Jane out there are the ones Labor need right behind them. As a party these people that have been forgotten about in recent years should be their bread and butter.

 

[Gough]

Cormann says it's government policy to suppress wages but Labor are the ones who are letting down workers. How the f*** does that work?

 

[Blue Arrow]

Not everyone has a cushy government job where you can slack off and keep your job forever.
Some of us actually have to work for a living.

 

[Todman]

My preference is an annual estate tax rather than waiting for death to hit people the hardest in a time of uncertainty AND as we see in the US and UK too easy to avoid paying.

An annual tax becomes impossible to hide from and has the added benefit as it prevents avoidance of GST and income tax

If you own your own home , you pay local government rates
If you are a landlord, you pay local government rates and state government land tax.

 

[Bombermania]

1. Citation needed
2. Culture wars, an Americanism you picked up, not related to Australian politics, unless you think the rape scandal is some "woke" creation
3. Dumb opinion, nothing to back it up
4. Relate this to policies please
5. Relate this to policies please
6. Expand on this please
7. This comes across as some cliché bullshit, not buying it
8. Citation needed

These are all empty statements, very similar to the dross the LNP pedal.

Australia's cultural wars started in the early 1990s when Keating set out to change the country.

 

[Bombermania]

Not everyone has a cushy government job where you can slack off and keep your job forever.
Some of us actually have to work for a living.

Where are those jobs because having worked in both the public and private sector there isn't that big a difference between the two.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Where are those jobs because having worked in both the public and private sector there isn't that big a difference between the two.

And really how many of them are actually under threat when Labor is running things?

 

[Bombermania]

And really how many of them are actually under threat when Labor is running things?

The Liberals usually have the public servants do less because they prefers to outsource to the big four accounting firms.

 

[madmug]

Cormann says it's government policy to suppress wages but Labor are the ones who are letting down workers. How the f*** does that work?

Another slogan for the Murdoch press.

Facts ain't got nothin' to do with it.

 

[HPKS]

Not everyone has a cushy government job where you can slack off and keep your job forever.
Some of us actually have to work for a living.

While it was like that decades ago. Those days & conditions are gone, long gone.