Why do workers vote Liberal?

[Christopher Buttersnip]

I take it you have never been a landlord.

1st month rent goes in rates
2,3,4 month went on land tax
5th month on management fees and repairs
then
6th and 7th month goes on advertising for new tenant.
God help you if the place sits vacant for a month or two.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Well clearly not you.

Your saying they should sell if they can't afford to pay the massive hikes in land tax.

Yes.

Give it to some rich bugger who has the $ to pay the tax.

If I had my way, the government would nationalise such plots of land and build public housing on them. But given that's not going to happen anytime soon, yes. I'm not in favour of preserving holiday accommodation when the same land could otherwise be used to give people a primary residence.

I think thats harsh. A family shack they've had for many years. Basically worth SFA for most of the time they owned it.

Why is that relevant?

 

[madmug]

Yes.


If I had my way, the government would nationalise such plots of land and build public housing on them. But given that's not going to happen anytime soon, yes. I'm not in favour of preserving holiday accommodation when the same land could otherwise be used to give people a primary residence.


Why is that relevant?

Nationalise peoples shacks up in the highlands or away from towns/cities? Mate do you know what a shack is?

A lot of them are way off the beaten track FFS. Not really suitable as a primary residence. Certainly access is not real easy. No public transport, no shops for miles. Thats a shack.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Nationalise peoples shacks up in the highlands or away from towns/cities? Mate do you know what a shack is?

A lot of them are way off the beaten track FFS. Not really suitable as a primary residence. Certainly access is not real easy. No public transport, no shops for miles. Thats a shack.

It's a cabin. You said these shacks were near lakes, didn't you? Are lakes routinely avoided by people?

 

[Kram]

A lot of them are way off the beaten track FFS. Not really suitable as a primary residence. Certainly access is not real easy. No public transport, no shops for miles. Thats a shack.

Sounds like a great place to send the arseholes down the road from me ruining the whole neighbourhood.

 

[Power Raid]

Perhaps they have enjoyed the wealth and quality of work since the reforms of Hawke and Keating, shifting labour away from centralised work forces and criminal unions..................the same criminal unions that are the fabric Labor is made

go you pups, I trust you disagree? Can you provide comment on why Labor moved so heavily in attempting to eliminate to maritime union and construction union by declaring their predecessors illegal organisations?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

It’s amazing how much talk of unions still revolves around construction and maritime, both of which are small and should be utterly irrelevant. It’s probably partly a failure of the union movement itself. The retail and health services unions operate in the sectors with by far the most employment.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Nationalise peoples shacks up in the highlands or away from towns/cities? Mate do you know what a shack is?

A lot of them are way off the beaten track FFS. Not really suitable as a primary residence. Certainly access is not real easy. No public transport, no shops for miles. Thats a shack.

If you wanted to pursue changes to the land tax, there are easy ways to structure it so that "cabins" and "shacks" that are "off the beaten track" are excluded from the changes or are taxed at a lesser rate based on the size of the land parcel and the postcode that the cabin is in. Don't think there are any huge losses to people having a second property in somewhere like Licola so fair enough.

However, when your second home is somewhere like Lorne or Byron Bay where it is exceedingly hard to find an affordable rental or when your humble shack is actually a $1000 per night airbnb, I think you can suck it up and pay the extra tax. A holiday home is not a birthright even if your great grandad built it a century ago.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

If 3 months worth of rent is going towards land tax then you’re unbelievably well off and cannot cry poor. A normal residential priority would have land tax of around a couple of weeks rent.

3 months' rent towards land tax and only 1 month's rent towards rates? 1 month's rent to repair the damage from the last tenant but 2 months' in advertising cost? Starting to wonder if this guy has ever been a landlord.

 

[madmug]

If you wanted to pursue changes to the land tax, there are easy ways to structure it so that "cabins" and "shacks" that are "off the beaten track" are excluded from the changes or are taxed at a lesser rate based on the size of the land parcel and the postcode that the cabin is in. Don't think there are any huge losses to people having a second property in somewhere like Licola so fair enough.

However, when your second home is somewhere like Lorne or Byron Bay where it is exceedingly hard to find an affordable rental or when your humble shack is actually a $1000 per night airbnb, I think you can suck it up and pay the extra tax. A holiday home is not a birthright even if your great grandad built it a century ago.

Yes, An airBnB at Lorne is not what I call a family shack in the first place. Its an investment property.

However seeing ordinary people having to sell a shack because they can't afford the tax, thats a bit hard.

 

[Pessimistic]

Differences across the nation make it very difficult to do much in property reform. Some are struggling and some are cashing in

 

[Power Raid]

It’s amazing how much talk of unions still revolves around construction and maritime, both of which are small and should be utterly irrelevant. It’s probably partly a failure of the union movement itself. The retail and health services unions operate in the sectors with by far the most employment.

unions are an important part of society but unfortunately the most powerful unions are the most corrupt

 

[kranky al]

This is why:

 

[kranky al]

unions are an important part of society but unfortunately the most powerful unions are the most corrupt

As corrupt as say ;


By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.

In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.

??????

 

[Power Raid]

As corrupt as say ;


By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.

In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.

??????

I'm not sure of the relevance as corruption does not justify corruption, if that is where you are leading.

Further I thought Qatar's gas production was 3 times larger than our. Obviously there is still a significant gap but it explains a three times multiple.

Can you also confirm you are comparing apples with apples being the full tax as our corporate tax is 30% and theirs 10%, we have state (12.5% royalty) and 6.5% on stamp duty and federal taxes (40% petroleum tax)? A full tax grab analysis would be helpful.

Lastly we screwed ourselves over in setting up native title and environmental, which has seen LNG train go off shore as they couldn't get access on shore. As a result everyone has lost due to corrupt green groups influencing local communities with lies and deception. SO if we want to look at corruption, perhaps we should look at why gas trains have shifted toward floating solutions.

 

[kranky al]

I'm not sure of the relevance as corruption does not justify corruption, if that is where you are leading.

Further I thought Qatar's gas production was 3 times larger than our. Obviously there is still a significant gap but it explains a three times multiple.

Can you also confirm you are comparing apples with apples being the full tax as our corporate tax is 30% and theirs 10%, we have state (12.5% royalty) and 6.5% on stamp duty and federal taxes (40% petroleum tax)? A full tax grab analysis would be helpful.

Lastly we screwed ourselves over in setting up native title and environmental, which has seen LNG train go off shore as they couldn't get access on shore. As a result everyone has lost due to corrupt green groups influencing local communities with lies and deception. SO if we want to look at corruption, perhaps we should look at why gas trains have shifted toward floating solutions.

Im purely talking royalties

I would never mix royalties as tax and royalties are completely different things and should never be conflated.

as for the corruption, its whataboutism on a massive scale, we are propagandised about union corruption when its a few grasping arsewipes in a couple of unions - compared to the tens of billions in dollars this country is losing out on as a result of the corrupt cabal running this joint.

 

[HPKS]

Im purely talking royalties

I would never mix royalties as tax and royalties are completely different things and should never be conflated.

as for the corruption, its whataboutism on a massive scale, we are propagandised about union corruption when its a few grasping arsewipes in a couple of unions - compared to the tens of billions in dollars this country is losing out on as a result of the corrupt cabal running this joint.

Slowly over the last 2 and half decades we’ve been conditioned to accept that it’s normal. It started with the core & non core promise and has grown since then.

 

[kranky al]

Slowly over the last 2 and half decades we’ve been conditioned to accept that it’s normal. It started with the core & non core promise and has grown since then.

One is the cost of a material - same as when i buy a 5g antenna to sell to a customer - same as when micky dees buy a bun.

the bald faced lying that goes on over this

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

As corrupt as say ;


By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.

In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.

??????

It is criminal how little money this nation gets from resources.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

It is criminal how little money this nation gets from resources.

its been happening for decades

we pay more for our gas than we charge the japanese, and thats after we deliver it to them

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

its been happening for decades

we pay more for our gas than we charge the japanese, and thats after we deliver it to them

This nation should be stupidly wealthy but we blew it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

As corrupt as say ;


By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.

In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.

??????

Don't bother, I've posted this to Power Raid before and they just pretended it wasn't true.

 

[Power Raid]

Im purely talking royalties

I would never mix royalties as tax and royalties are completely different things and should never be conflated.

as for the corruption, its whataboutism on a massive scale, we are propagandised about union corruption when its a few grasping arsewipes in a couple of unions - compared to the tens of billions in dollars this country is losing out on as a result of the corrupt cabal running this joint.

It is not fair to consider a royalty in isolation to the Petroleium Tax and corporate tax.

Further we have a state royalty where WAs royalty in 2020 was $9.1B and almost $600m of this O&G thus the $800M for the entire nation both state and federal is false news. The federal collection was $900m for the PRRT. Add to that each of the other states, the 30% tax rate and the 10% for GST spend and add the 6.5% stamp duty on transactions.

 

[HPKS]

This nation should be stupidly wealthy but we blew it.

ICAC

 

[kranky al]

It is not fair to consider a royalty in isolation to the Petroleium Tax and corporate tax.

Further we have a state royalty where WAs royalty in 2020 was $9.1B and almost $600m of this O&G thus the $800M for the entire nation both state and federal is false news. The federal collection was $900m for the PRRT. Add to that each of the other states, the 30% tax rate and the 10% for GST spend and add the 6.5% stamp duty on transactions.

Absolute funking scomo.

corporate tax is what every corporation pays

McDonalds dont sit there at the end of the year with the ato claiming that the price they paid for their beef as a tax in the same way a tax is not what you pay for a raw material that you then onsell.

Oh and it wasnt for oil and gas - it was just for lpg