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Why does Nick Reiwoldt get soft frees?
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Sorry lads but I thought the free was there in the first, anyone who actually watched the footage instead of listening to the muppets on the mich, would have seen the right hand of Morris restrain Rievwoldts as he attempted to extend his hands out.
Was at the very start of the replay.
Anyone wants to bring it up go for it.
Was at the very start of the replay.
Anyone wants to bring it up go for it.
Riewoldt is an extremely hard worker, he often gets frees he doesn't deserve but he's not a cheat.
If he was playing in second gear tonight... watch out!
He's a great player, and I was cut when he "dived" in the pre-lim to get that goal after half time. However you can't deny that his talent is phenomenal. Most players would go to ground in that situation it's up to the umpire to not get sucked in.
Good win tonight for us, I'd rate it just below 4 premiership points.
If he was playing in second gear tonight... watch out!
He's a great player, and I was cut when he "dived" in the pre-lim to get that goal after half time. However you can't deny that his talent is phenomenal. Most players would go to ground in that situation it's up to the umpire to not get sucked in.
Good win tonight for us, I'd rate it just below 4 premiership points.
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So rare to see such an intelligent post (and from a neutral) here.
NB that first free (and goal) to Riewoldt was crap umpiring, not some trickiness by Riewoldt.
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Haven't read all of this, but nope.
Riewoldt is a champion.
The only genuine current centre half forward worth his salt.
You'd sell the farm for this bloke,
or burn the place down on a 5x2 stocktake.
I still hate St. Kilda.
ed: the Brisbane bloke is ok.
Riewoldt is a champion.
The only genuine current centre half forward worth his salt.
You'd sell the farm for this bloke,
or burn the place down on a 5x2 stocktake.
I still hate St. Kilda.
ed: the Brisbane bloke is ok.
This thread only exists because BF hates high profile players players. Jonathan Brown seems to be the exception to that rule.
Riewoldt - 182 games, 224 frees.
Brown - 184 games, 207 frees.
There's 17 frees difference over the course of two long careers. That's less than .1 per game. I doubt your brain is so finely tuned that you can pick up such a marginal difference. The fact that you think there's a huge difference between the two shows your own bias.
The consistent theme with frees for is that the players who get the most are the guys who lead their opponent to the ball. Look at the mids who had the most frees last year. Selwood, Swallow, Bolton, Selwood, Corey, Kirk, etc. There's a running theme there. I'm going to guess that those guys get the occasional softy. I'm not sure why Monfries or Brogan got so many frees, but there isn't a thread on BF about it either.
As for forwards, there's some evidence that leading your opponent to the ball will get you free kicks. Here's the players you listed (H+A).
Brown - 179 M, 32 FF
Fev - 143 M, 25 FF
Franklin - 109 M, 22 FF
Hall - 64 M, 9 FF
Riewoldt - 204 M, 31 FF
There's obviously more factors to it than just marks, but at least a lot of marks is going to show that you play in front of your opponent a lot. That's the best way for a forward to get hand in the back or over the shoulder free kick. There's some corelation in the numbers above. Hall obviously gets a raw deal, but a bloke who randomly punches people in the face is probably not going to get the same protection as other guys. That's not how it should be, but it's likely the reality.
So does Riewoldt get soft free kicks? Yeah, he does. We saw one tonight. Why does he get them? Because he plays in front. Are all of Fev, Franklin and Brown's frees tough, hard earned frees? No. So why the constant complaining about Riewoldt on BF? Because he's a great player who's constantly in the spotlight. A lot of BF hates him for it.
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34 points if you discount the 2 - 0 supergoals.
Im pretty confident we can turn it around actually very confident.
Round 6 is it?
After last year I wont flinch until finals. Even then the peliminary final/grand final is what matters. until then losing to the dogs, cats or even lions doesn't worry me. We have the team to step up at anytime.
Im pretty confident we can turn it around actually very confident.
Round 6 is it?
After last year I wont flinch until finals. Even then the peliminary final/grand final is what matters. until then losing to the dogs, cats or even lions doesn't worry me. We have the team to step up at anytime.
Except in Grand Finals.
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The Riewoldt free was there and the ump had perfect view...the commentators were looking for chopping the arms at the ball not holding on the lead.
Thought his game was pretty good...got them back into it twice and even tried to feed his woefully out of touch mate at FF for some preseason practice.
The Riewoldt free was there and the ump had perfect view...the commentators were looking for chopping the arms at the ball not holding on the lead.
Thought his game was pretty good...got them back into it twice and even tried to feed his woefully out of touch mate at FF for some preseason practice.
no, this thread exists because Nick Riewoldt gets soft frees, which you state later in this post anyway.
you're using quantitative measures on a qualitative argument. I doubt your brain is so finely tuned to pick this up but the thread is not about HOW MANY frees it's about how SOFT the frees are, so the totals don't actually mean all that much.
So you're suggesting Riewoldt gets soft frees because he gets to the ball first? Why is it so hard for st kilda supporters to realise this: when an act of holding/pushing/over the shoulder occurs to a Brown or Fevola - no free kick, when the SAME THING happens to Riewoldt he gets a free kick. We are talking about comparable acts with very very different results.
Riewoldt takes a lot of his marks from 3 or 4 deep in the pack. Did you watch last night - he did it at least 3 times. Marks does NOT equal playing in front. Franklin often takes his marks with the flight or inbetween defenders, Brown as well. Really weak reasoning there, really weak. Also, it does not contribute to the discussion as to why Riewoldt gets soft frees.
ahhhh here we have it! You're saying that the umpires don't argue on the basis of fact and objectivity - they umpire Hall more harshly because he whacks people. Does that mean he interferes more often in a marking contest? No. But because he is a meat head he does NOT get soft free kicks.
So now that we've established that umpire bias does indeed exist - the question is WHY does Nick Riewoldt get SOFT free kicks?
Not the case. When he gets fairy floss free kicks for a feather tap when a Franklin can gets his teeth knocked out and not get a free - you're suggesting it's because Riewoldt plays in front? A very very poor explanation there. Does not account for more than 10% of what we see.
Riewoldt gets many, many more soft frees than the other guys you mentioned. It's not because of BF, it's because the umpires like to give him soft frees. This is NOT because he plays in front because god knows the other players get in front as often as they can as well. The reason the punters get so furious about it, especially over the last 12 months is that Riewoldt plays close to goal as often as he plays up the ground now. Soft free kicks in goal scoring range drastically change the course of the game. It's horrible for football.
Discount the 2 Supergoals hey???
I got news for you then... You lost round 1 to Collingwood!
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Just watched it again. Two blokes crash into each other and both end up on the ground. Yet somehow one of them dived?
And well spotted MoraMora who saw through all the inane drivel of the Channel 10 commentators, backed up by the ravings of Bulldog and Pies flogs that the free kick was in fact against Morris for chopping the arms before Griffin crashed into Riewoldt.
I think the issue here is that it doesn't look good when players dive forward with arms outstreched any time they recieve contact from behind. Lloyd suffered from the same perceptions because he did exactly the same thing. He has even admitted it publically that it was something he had to look at.
It is interesting that Barry Hall got a very soft one in the last quarter. Difference is he didn't dive forward and was not asking for it or expecting it for that matter. It seemed he was about to stand the mark before he realised it was his kick.
Simply, it is not a good look diving forward with you arms outstreched in the superman position. 9 times out of 10 it looks like the player is trying to accentuate the contact or milk a free.
None of this means Reiwodlt is not a good player or that no one likes him or whatever other petulant reason has been thrown up. What is does mean is that Reiwoldt has a habit that is not liked by some supporters and in my opinion neither should it be liked. Accentuating contact or worse milking frees should not be an accepted part of the game.
For the record every club has players that do it.
And you think that wasn't soft? If that free kick was there Barry Hall would have got 5 free kicks last night. It was ridiculously soft... if all footballers were protected that way we would have about 300 free kicks a game!
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Kept us in the game for much of it last night.
Truley a champion of the game and plays the game the way it should be played. Courage, Hard Running, Contested marks.
His amazing.
Kept us in the game for much of it last night.
Truley a champion of the game and plays the game the way it should be played. Courage, Hard Running, Contested marks.
His amazing.
No one is arguing that he's not a fantastic player, every club would love to have him (especially as he seems to get really soft free kicks that other forwards don't - kinda the point of the thread
)Read the thread title.
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Like the one Hall got for his second goal in the last quarter? He got a hand in the side from Blake, felt contact in the back from Dawson's knee and flew forward.
I've actually done the sums. Riewoldt got one free last night. As far as I know he was on for the whole game so we could multiply that by 36. 36 times 1 equals 36 so there would be 36 free kicks per game not 300
To be expected from Collingwood supporters who talk like they have won 10 flags in the last fifty years.
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Ohhh Ok... Reiwoldt doesn't get them pratically every week. All the other clubs supporters on this thread are wrong too!
But it's a Collingwood thing
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"Riewoldt takes a lot of his marks from 3 or 4 deep in the pack. Did you watch last night - he did it at least 3 times. Marks does NOT equal playing in front. Franklin often takes his marks with the flight or inbetween defenders, Brown as well. Really weak reasoning there, really weak. Also, it does not contribute to the discussion as to why Riewoldt gets soft frees."
Just thought I'd grab that fragment of an argument out and let everyone laugh over the thought of Lance Franklin running with the flight of the ball.
Riewoldt takes 80% of his marks on the lead idiot, But good on you for focusing on one pre season game for you're case study.
Just thought I'd grab that fragment of an argument out and let everyone laugh over the thought of Lance Franklin running with the flight of the ball.
Riewoldt takes 80% of his marks on the lead idiot, But good on you for focusing on one pre season game for you're case study.
Unless he is suddenly running around there armed with a whistle to award himself free's, not sure what he can really do about it?
Exactly. The vitriol should be directed at the woeful inconsistency of the umpires and not at any one particular player. They miss twice as many chopping of the arms, holding infringments and hands in the back than they actually pay free kicks for. Either they are getting in terrible positions to make a decision or they are wildly inconsistent in their interpretations of these 3 black and white rules. I'd suggest the latter.
Ohhh Ok... Reiwoldt doesn't get them pratically every week. All the other clubs supporters on this thread are wrong too!
But it's a Collingwood thing
what does it matter?
he will still kick 5 as per usual against your pathetic rabble who again we will roger out of finals????
seriously why the infatuation with st kilda from desperate Pie flogs?
add a splash of red you filth....join us.....you know you want to....
He does dive a bit it's annoying. But he's a gun player and has amazing abilities to stand up when needed.
