Society/Culture Why is Multiculturalism a good thing?

[PP34]

Hey Aedos you sound like a white supremacist so I'm putting you on ignore.

Cheerio old bean.

Looks like we have another resident racist loon on the SRP.

 

[kfc1]

It really doesn't need to be much more complicated than this. Bad people, doing bad things. Their ethnicity is irrelevant.

Unless they are a white cop?

 

[Aed0s]

You're a fool, multiculturalism is a fact of life not a failed experiment. It's not perfect, but what is? By railing against it as you do, you just entrench yourself as part of the problem.

Merkel, Cameron and Sarkozy already pointed out and concluded that multiculturalism had been a massive failure of a social experiment, this point can not be debated as their statements have been set in stone. However they have all since chickened out of the debate and hence we see the emergence of anti-EU and anti-immigration political parties.

Unless the EU reforms itself in the face of such Euroscepticism - the EU project will not survive. Give it 5-10 years before it crumbles to its death. What rises in its ashes is unforeseen, but the destruction of the EU will not be unsurprising to many.

The sooner you realise that by supporting failed social policies that are inherently at odds with a fully functioning democracy and democratic procedures then you are part of the problem. That said, ignoring thousands of years of history, evolutionary psychology and historical ethnic hatreds is unwise and naive to say the least.

The very fact that none of the pro-multiculturalists have spoken against and condemned the ethnic grooming gangs targeting British girls speaks volumes.

 

[Aed0s]

Looks like we have another resident racist loon on the SRP.

Since when is pointing out the reality in England that ethnic grooming gangs are targeting British girls as young as 11 is to be considered "racist"?

Sorry bud, but petty ad hominems aren't substitutes for arguments.

 

[Aed0s]

Unless they are a white cop?

His responses are laughable.

In actuality, the reality was completely in reverse. Social workers and the police were frightened to press charges against the ethnic rapists because they feared that they would be labelled as "racists". There was no racial profiling or bias involved, simply girls detailing the ethnicity of the men who r*ped them.

Only in a dystopian totalitarian society would anyone fear of reporting a crime to the police, especially one of this severity and importance. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal--4120569

 

[Gough]

You're taking one incident and using it to make some pretty broad generalisations. Should we ban cricket because of the Phil Hughes tragedy, or the Catholic church because of the abuse issues?

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Merkel, Cameron and Sarkozy already pointed out and concluded that multiculturalism had been a massive failure of a social experiment, this point can not be debated as their statements have been set in stone. However they have all since chickened out of the debate and hence we see the emergence of anti-EU and anti-immigration political parties.

I pay no heed to the bluster of those 3. And if you believe that this point cannot be debated, why are you posting. The jury's out multiculturalism is a failure, pack your bags and go home, Aed0s, Sarkozy, Merkel and Cameron have spoken.

 

[Aed0s]

I pay no heed to the bluster of those 3. And if you believe that this point cannot be debated, why are you posting. The jury's out multiculturalism is a failure, pack your bags and go home, Aed0s, Sarkozy, Merkel and Cameron have spoken.

If you actually read my comment properly I said that their opinions of multiculturalism can not be debated. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

This makes me wonder, how can you ignore the statements of three of the most important European political leaders on the issue of multiculturalism when debating the merits of multiculturalism? Your ignorance of the issue is mind-blowing and for that I can't take you seriously.

 

[Getz]

Merkel, Cameron and Sarkozy already pointed out and concluded that multiculturalism had been a massive failure of a social experiment, this point can not be debated as their statements have been set in stone.

What bullshit.




And why are so many people misunderstanding the difference between multiculturalism and immigration? They are not the same thing.

In fact, some posters are just trying to use this as a non-westerner bash.
Bash the religion, not the people.

 

[Gough]

Hey Aed0s, I'm sitting on a bus at the moment, I'm the only white face, I can hear at least three languages being spoken and I love it. You've lost mate, you may as well whinge about gravity for all the good it will do you. As Billy Bragg said, all you fascists are bound to lose.

 

[smokingjacket]

If you actually read my comment properly I said that their opinions of multiculturalism can not be debated. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

This makes me wonder, how can you ignore the statements of three of the most important European political leaders on the issue of multiculturalism when debating the merits of multiculturalism? Your ignorance of the issue is mind-blowing and for that I can't take you seriously.

Because as a starting point 2/3 of those leaders haven't even had multiculturalism.

France no. Strictly secular state. All culture is state culture. Racial, or religious affiliation aren't even counted in the census.

Germany no. Germany imported a large number of Turkish workers for cheap labour for it's manufacturing industy. At no point did they attempt or allow them to integrate in to German society. For many years most of these people were left on rolling visas tied to jobs until eventually being allowed to stay after living there for over 20 years. The German government excluded these mostly Kurdish workers from society despite inviting them to come and fill labour shortages in their market. They were never allowed to feel German and no attempt was made to accommodate those people within a new German nationality that could also include Kurdish refugees. It wasn't so long ago that Mesut Ozil, a Turkish German football player, was booed from two separate groups of fans. One Turkish-German who thought he should be playing for Turkey. The other German nationalists who thought he shouldn't be playing for Germany.

**** knows what either of these mugs are talking about because it sure as hell isn't Australian style multiculturalism.

I'd like you to show the link where Cameron said that multiculturalism was a massive failure of a social experiment.

 

[Lester Burnham]

I did read the report, the biggest factor was the police inaction and victim blaming.

Your ideology blinds you. The 'biggest factor' was criminal gangs of a particular ethnicity grooming and raping young white females. This was repeated across the UK. The problem was exacerbated by police ineptitude. It was also exacerbated by a reluctance of authorities to identify the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist.

One of the recommendations from the Rotherham report was

Agencies should acknowledge the suspected model of localised grooming of young white girls by men of Pakistani heritage, instead of being inhibited by the fear of affecting community relations. People must be able to raise concerns without fear of being labelled racist.​

 

[smokingjacket]

Unless they are a white cop?

Police hold a position of immense power over the rest of us. It shouldn't be unquestioned power especially when law enforcement can target some communities. Checks and balances on that power like in our parliament are a good thing.

 

[kfc1]

Police hold a position of immense power over the rest of us. It shouldn't be unquestioned power especially when law enforcement can target some communities. Checks and balances on that power like in our parliament are a good thing.

This reply doesn't seem to be relevant to my post? I was responding to your comment "Their ethnicity is irrelevant"

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

If you actually read my comment properly I said that their opinions of multiculturalism can not be debated. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

Yes, yes. I ask you, why can't their opinions be debated?

This makes me wonder, how can you ignore the statements of three of the most important European political leaders on the issue of multiculturalism when debating the merits of multiculturalism? Your ignorance of the issue is mind-blowing and for that I can't take you seriously

I can't be taken seriously on the issue of multiculturalism because I disagree with 3 conservative european leaders, who are playing to the home crowd. Right, I get it.

I'd probably take you a li'l more seriously if you were able to provide more definitive evidence than an article in the blinkered Daily Mirror.

So please tell me how multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster in this country?

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

This reply doesn't seem to be relevant to my post? I was responding to your comment "Their ethnicity is irrelevant"

You'd love that statement to be false. It's a lot more complex than blaming race or religion

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.
The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."
Meanwhile, group grooming is a small part of the sexual abuse threat facing Britain's children. Some of those working in protecting children from sexual abuse worry that the wrong message is being given about who poses dangers to children from the media coverage of "Asian grooming gangs".
They say the biggest dangers are not just on the street, but online, and the totality of abuse shows far more white people are perpetrators.
As if to highlight the point, on Monday there was a scheduled meeting at the Department for Education of several departments and concerned groups. The topic of Asian gangs was discussed, on a day when Stuart Hazell, a white man, pleaded guilty to murdering 12-year-old Tia Sharp, the granddaughter of his partner, in whom he had developed a sexual interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

 

[kfc1]

You'd love that statement to be false. It's a lot more complex than blaming race or religion

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.
The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

re: the bolded - que?
I don't disagree with the excerpt above.
Also, the British use of the term 'Asian' confuses me, lol

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

re: the bolded - que?
I don't disagree with the excerpt above.
Also, the British use of the term 'Asian' confuses me, lol

My apologies. Yeah the Brits tend to refer to those from the subcontinent as Asian.

 

[Gough]

Yes, yes. I ask you, why can't their opinions be debated?



I can't be taken seriously on the issue of multiculturalism because I disagree with 3 conservative european leaders, who are playing to the home crowd. Right, I get it.

I'd probably take you a li'l more seriously if you were able to provide more definitive evidence than an article in the blinkered Daily Mirror.*

So please tell me how multiculturalism has been an unmitigated disaster in this country?

* Daily Mail. The hate rag of choice for little Englanders.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

* Daily Mail. The hate rag of choice for little Englanders.

Jeez, I'm makin' blues all over the shop.

 

[Maggie5]

As usual you are all assertions without evidence. Try reading the report. Most victims were white. There were Asian victims too, many of whom did not report the rapes for fear of bringing shame on their families.

For mine, the key words of the report are on the first page:
"Over the first twelve years covered by this Inquiry, the collective failures of political and officer
leadership were blatant". I wonder what nationality they were and what culture they were enacting?

 

[Pie eyed]

Unless they are a white cop?

Different issue really, weak political leaders ensure bad cops.

 

[Lester Burnham]

For mine, the key words of the report are on the first page:
"Over the first twelve years covered by this Inquiry, the collective failures of political and officer
leadership were blatant". I wonder what nationality they were and what culture they were enacting?

Does institutionalised political correctness count as a culture?

The Labour party has suspended four Rotherham councillors. Roger Stone, who has already resigned as council leader, Gwendoline Ann Russell, Jahangir Akhtar and Shaukat Ali have been suspended pending investigation after Ed Miliband said last week that large numbers of young people in Rotherham were systematically abused and let down by those who should have protected them. In addition, two former members of the party, Shaun Wright and Maurice Kirk, will require national executive committee approval should they want to rejoin the party.

Wright, the current police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire, was in charge of children's services in Rotherham for five years before taking up his current post, and is resisting fierce pressure to step down. He has agreed to give evidence before the home affairs select committee chaired by Keith Vaz.

Vaz said: "I have spoken to Commissioner Wright this morning and informed him that the committee will want him to give evidence as part of our inquiry, and he has agreed to do so."

The shadow education secretary, Tristram Hunt, told Sky News: "We've had a week to look at Prof Jay's report and investigate those members of our party, the Labour party, who were in positions of power and authority and who we think failed to act appropriately when they were in those positions of authority."​

 

[Maggie5]

Does institutionalised political correctness count as a culture?

The Labour party has suspended four Rotherham councillors. Roger Stone, who has already resigned as council leader, Gwendoline Ann Russell, Jahangir Akhtar and Shaukat Ali have been suspended pending investigation after Ed Miliband said last week that large numbers of young people in Rotherham were systematically abused and let down by those who should have protected them. In addition, two former members of the party, Shaun Wright and Maurice Kirk, will require national executive committee approval should they want to rejoin the party.

Wright, the current police and crime commissioner for South Yorkshire, was in charge of children's services in Rotherham for five years before taking up his current post, and is resisting fierce pressure to step down. He has agreed to give evidence before the home affairs select committee chaired by Keith Vaz.

Vaz said: "I have spoken to Commissioner Wright this morning and informed him that the committee will want him to give evidence as part of our inquiry, and he has agreed to do so."

The shadow education secretary, Tristram Hunt, told Sky News: "We've had a week to look at Prof Jay's report and investigate those members of our party, the Labour party, who were in positions of power and authority and who we think failed to act appropriately when they were in those positions of authority."​

Not sure what the rest of your post has to do with my comment. I was trying to make the point that if those in position had acted, better, faster, appropriately, subsequent events may not have escalated to the point that they did. Not dissimilar to events with the Catholic Church, Salvation Army and some private schools etc.

 

[The Coup]

Because as a starting point 2/3 of those leaders haven't even had multiculturalism.

France no. Strictly secular state. All culture is state culture. Racial, or religious affiliation aren't even counted in the census.

Germany no. Germany imported a large number of Turkish workers for cheap labour for it's manufacturing industy. At no point did they attempt or allow them to integrate in to German society. For many years most of these people were left on rolling visas tied to jobs until eventually being allowed to stay after living there for over 20 years. The German government excluded these mostly Kurdish workers from society despite inviting them to come and fill labour shortages in their market. They were never allowed to feel German and no attempt was made to accommodate those people within a new German nationality that could also include Kurdish refugees. It wasn't so long ago that Mesut Ozil, a Turkish German football player, was booed from two separate groups of fans. One Turkish-German who thought he should be playing for Turkey. The other German nationalists who thought he shouldn't be playing for Germany.

**** knows what either of these mugs are talking about because it sure as hell isn't Australian style multiculturalism.

I'd like you to show the link where Cameron said that multiculturalism was a massive failure of a social experiment.

Also Mesut Ozil is a deadset beast of a player.