why the name changes?

[Frankston Rover]

Hawthorn are Hawthorn, the bloody Tasmania part is a SPONSORSHIP

like hungry jacks, or ford, or emirates.

Jesus, is it that difficult a concept?

Thank you.

It's obviously our mentally challenged friends still not grasping this concept.

Of course when you say SPONSORSHIP most North fans have no idea what you are talking about.

Hawthorn changed to Tasmanian Hawks.

I'll type this slowly just so you can keep up Tas.

As the Tasmanian Government is our sponsor. We have to find some way to expose our sponsors.

We had Ausdoc Oval (Glenferrie). This was a SPONSORSHIP.
The ground is still in Glenferrie. But when 'official' stuff came out of the club, it was referred to as "Ausdoc Oval".

Adelaise are sponsored by Toyota. More specifically, the Camry. Hence they are sometimes called the Camry Crows. More than likely this will be in advertising. So when the new Camry is released, no doubt the Camry Crows will be pushing them.

The Tasmanian Government wanted AFL to be played in Tassie, the agreement was made that Hawthorn would play 4 games a year in Tassie. The Government sponsor us. Hence, when we play in Tassie, we will be marketed as The Tassie Hawks. The "Tassie" part is the sponsor, like the Camry part was above, the Hawks part is referring to Hawthorn Football Club and our mascot, the Hawk.

When the fixture is typed out next year it will read HAWTHORN. Not the Tassie Hawks or the Camry Crows. Unfortunately, though, one team have choosen to snub their cultural heritage and call themselves just the Kangaroos. In the fixture, on Brownlow night, in every way, you will ALWAYS BE the Kangaroos.

Hope this helps all the nuffys out there. d!ck Brains and HotFlog, I'm looking in your direction.

 

[Tas]

Jeff tried to explain it thusly

That is fair enough, it is just a name. Tasmania and Hawthorn want their club to appeal to as many Tasmanians as possible, the more interest the more money they make out of them.

Same for any other club that plays interstate. What deals or how they approach that is all just minor detail. These are just names, clubs can change them at a drop of a hat.

 

[Frankston Rover]

That is fair enough, it is just a name. Tasmania and Hawthorn want their club to appeal to as many Tasmanians as possible, the more interest the more money they make out of them.

Same for any other club that plays interstate. What deals or how they approach that is all just minor detail. These are just names, clubs can change them at a drop of a hat.

WTF?

So you changed your name to appeal to as many Kangaroos as possible????

Our name HASN'T CHANGED.

We are still Hawthorn Football Club.

You are the Kangaroos.

You changed your name.

Are you REALLY this thick?

 

[Tas]

When the fixture is typed out next year it will read HAWTHORN. Not the Tassie Hawks or the Camry Crows. Unfortunately, though, one team have choosen to snub their cultural heritage and call themselves just the Kangaroos. In the fixture, on Brownlow night, in every way, you will ALWAYS BE the Kangaroos.

I do not have a problem with us being called the Kangaroos so not sure if you think this will make me upset or not. Our new emblem has both Kangaroos and NMFC on it so I am pretty happy.

As for the Hawks, you have been in Tasmania a relatively short period of time, if you think this is the last change or sacrifice you ever have to make as part of a club playing games outside of Victoria I think you are delusional.

I think the more clubs prostitute themselves outside of Victoria the more they will weaken their supporter base here in Victoria. In part, it is why I am glad we changed the location of our interstate games, I do not want us to be tied down with any place other than Victoria.

I think all clubs that play games long-term outside of Victoria will eventually relocate, it is why I am eager to see our club return to playing all 11 home games in Melbourne as soon as it is economically feasible.

 

[Hawkk]

Hawthorn changed to Tasmanian Hawks.

You are a ****ing idiot aren't you, for starters it's 'Tassie Hawks' and secondly it's a naming rights sponsorship...most clubs have them, well the clubs that are attractive do anyway.

I guess the Kangaroos are proud to be called the (vacant) Kangaroos by there sponsors.

If Hawthorn ever changed their name - which they can't without 75% of members agreeing to it, it would be WWIII at the clubs headquarters.

 

[Powerstufff]

.....I think the more clubs prostitute themselves outside of Victoria the more they will weaken their supporter base here in Victoria......

So what? So long as you get 11 non-Melbourne members for every 10 Melbourne members you lose it makes sense to keep prowling the streets in the fishnets.
12 Victorian teams couldn't survive in the VFL and 10 can't in the AFL. A gradual relocation is worth trying.

 

[Hawkk]

So Collingwood has sold all the naming writes for their club to Emirates? I dont think so. No club has done that to a sponsor since Geelong was called Whiskers or whatever it was they got into down there.

There is no Hawthorn now, Tasmania has bought the rights to call the club Tasmania Hawks for the period of their agreement.

Did we sell our souls? Perhaps.

But hey we are have guaranteed our future in the Melbourne market and are now loaded beyond belief. If selling our solves can set in stone our existence in the Melbourne market why the hell didn't we sell it years ago?

Bring on the 7 home games at the MCG and 4 in Tasmania I say, the 4 away games at the MCG would make it even better if we can get them

BTW, Collingwood is known as the Emirates Magpies, just like Hawthorn is known as the Tassie Hawks and Essendon the 3 Bombers.

As long as we appear on the AFL fixture as Hawthorn, play the vast majority of our games at the MCG , are known in the media and by the club as Hawthorn I wouldn’t care we renamed ourselves the Viagra MayFlowers!

As Kennett said in the press conference – ‘ This will ensure the financial future of the Hawthorn Football Club, at Waverley Park, at the MCG and in Tassie, not only for 5 years, but for decades’

BTW, I don't think our games in Tasmania will decrease our Melbourne based following as long as we give our members in Melbourne an 11 game membership - as many at the MCG as possible, and continue to grow our brand in the Melbourne market

 

[Powerstufff]

.....If Hawthorn ever changed their name - which they can't without 75% of members agreeing to it, it would be WWIII at the clubs headquarters.

Why, was it WW1 when they changed from the Mayblooms? I always wondered why that started.

 

[Hawkk]

Why, was it WW1 when they changed from the Mayblooms? I always wondered why that started.

I was shattered, I tour my membership up in discuss...I mean the Mustard Pots? Seriously not cool.

IMO I reckon we should change back to the Mayblooms, there are so many teams around the world named after a Hawk - SeaHawk etc. but how many sides are called the Mayblooms, it's unique!

Make it happen!

 

[Hawkk]

I think all clubs that play games long-term outside of Victoria will eventually relocate, it is why I am eager to see our club return to playing all 11 home games in Melbourne as soon as it is economically feasible.

To Tasmania, doubtful!

Tasmania doesn't have the public support nor the corporate support to support a fully fledged AFL team. But they do however deserve a slice of football and offer a lucrative niche market for a club to expand into. Hawthorn, initially played games in Tasmania due in part to their arrangement with the AFL - since we left Waverley, Hawk fans - in the majority, have shown a dislike for the Dome. Our members get treated like 3rd rate citizens, and hence don't go. So Ian Dickers board had a master stroke, why not play these Dome disasters in a new market - turn what were financially disastrous games into profitable games? The more games we play at the Dome the smaller our membership drops to - it has dropped 6,000 in the space of 5 years, in that time our Dome allocation has grown to the point where our Telstra Dome allocation was larger then our MCG allocation this season. I dare say that with a large increase in our MCG game allocation coming next season, our membership in Victoria will increase dramatically irrespective of the Tassie deal.

They looked seriously at Carrara, Canberra and even Darwin, but research suggested that the biggest Hawk stronghold outside Victoria was in Tasmania, in particular Launseston. This was an innovative move by the club - this was the first time a club relocated games away from Victoria without an eye to relocating the club fully or just a quick run for cash. The response we got down there was over whelming, especially in the earlier years, which in climax has resulted in us taking over York Park as a HOME GROUND – we now get the gate receipts, have sole access to the sponsors boards around the ground and now manage the members reserves and where they sit. This has never been done in Australian sport - a club having 2 home grounds in different states. We will even have Hawthorn people based full time in Tasmania!

The idea is to develop a very strong footing in 2 markets. Our primary market - in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, and our secondary market - Tasmania – which we all hope will give us a vibrant 8,000+ base. If we are going to reach our goal of a 40,000+ membership, this is the way we have to do it. If we are ever going to be able to go toe to toe with the Collingwood's and the SA and WA clubs, we have to do this. In a way it's a very small sacrifice for such a big reward, we get a large number of games at the MCG, we are still Hawthorn and we are still a Melbourne based club albeit with a Tassie connection, but most importantly we now have guaranteed financial future - for any Victorian club, that is golden.

I'm an ex pact Victorian, so the games don't matter to me, what does matter to me is our identity, our future and our ability to win premierships. This deal will help to keep the dream alive for a very long time, who knows what the future has install - we may win a premiership in the next 10 years, we may not, but the important thing – at least in my eyes, is that I will always have a Hawthorn support. Like it or lump it, the SA, WA and Collingwood clubs are the powerhouses of the league, I hope that this deal will at least bridge the gap.

If they are Hawthorn people, I welcome them with open arms into the Hawthorn family Irrespective of if you agree or disagree with the deal and the set up, that is the intentions of the CURRENT and PREVIOUS board, you only have to go to any Hawk public outing to recognise this.

 

[Frankston Rover]

I do not have a problem with us being called the Kangaroos so not sure if you think this will make me upset or not. Our new emblem has both Kangaroos and NMFC on it so I am pretty happy.

As for the Hawks, you have been in Tasmania a relatively short period of time, if you think this is the last change or sacrifice you ever have to make as part of a club playing games outside of Victoria I think you are delusional.

I think the more clubs prostitute themselves outside of Victoria the more they will weaken their supporter base here in Victoria. In part, it is why I am glad we changed the location of our interstate games, I do not want us to be tied down with any place other than Victoria.

I think all clubs that play games long-term outside of Victoria will eventually relocate, it is why I am eager to see our club return to playing all 11 home games in Melbourne as soon as it is economically feasible.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

I think you'll be waiting as long as one, just quietly.

 

[Tas]

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

I think you'll be waiting as long as one, just quietly.

Yeah, your opinion really means a lot to me. Really, it does.

 

[Hawkk]

BTW, who was cheering for the Quantas SoccerRoos on Saturday Night?

 

[Frankston Rover]

Then why get on here then?

 

[Frankston Rover]

BTW, who was cheering for the Quantas SoccerRoos on Saturday Night?

I suppose this means the Socceroos are relocating to Longreach?

 

[Hawkk]

I suppose this means the Socceroos are relocating to Longreach?

We should hook up with Quantas, perhaps then our hovering home ground could become a reality

Based in London one week, based at Port Phillip Bay the next...

 

[Father Jack]

I suppose this means the Socceroos are relocating to Longreach?

No, it obviously means that the socceroos only represent Queensland and the Northern Territory.

 

[Adnar]

Which clubs 'offical' names include the mascots?

Western Bulldogs
Sydney Swans
Kangaroos
Brisbane Lions

Any others?

 

[NimChief]

You are a ****ing idiot aren't you, for starters it's 'Tassie Hawks' and secondly it's a naming rights sponsorship...most clubs have them, well the clubs that are attractive do anyway.

I guess the Kangaroos are proud to be called the (vacant) Kangaroos by there sponsors.

If Hawthorn ever changed their name - which they can't without 75% of members agreeing to it, it would be WWIII at the clubs headquarters.

Bwahahaha

Look at the senstive, insecure Piss and Sh*t fans get offended.

Anytime you mention Tassie they throw a hissy fit.

Waaaaah, waaaaaaah.

 

[Frankston Rover]

You've been reading unexplained's trolling thread, haven't you?

There's every cliche in the book their Nimrod.

Did you just use cut and paste or did you move Tas out of your lap long enough to type it?

 

[Hawkk]

Bwahahaha

Look at the senstive, insecure Piss and Sh*t fans get offended.

Anytime you mention Tassie they throw a hissy fit.

Waaaaah, waaaaaaah.

I'm going to enjoy watching the likes of Franklin and Roughead grace the fields for a decade, I hope your happy with Leigh Brown, Petrie and the like

 

[NimChief]

You've been reading unexplained's trolling thread, haven't you?

There's every cliche in the book their Nimrod.

Did you just use cut and paste or did you move Tas out of your lap long enough to type it?

Wow, the Anti-Moron™ software on my PC went nuts when I started to read your post.

Do they even have the internet down Frankston way???

I suppose I should have some sympathy for your handicap. You are obviously paralyzed from the neck up.

 

[NimChief]

I'm going to enjoy watching the likes of Franklin and Roughead grace the fields for a decade, I hope your happy with Leigh Brown, Petrie and the like

Actually I'm much more happy with Thommo, thank you very much.

 

[Hawkk]

Thompson has 3-4 years left

 

[Frankston Rover]

Wow, the Anti-Moron™ software on my PC went nuts when I started to read your post.

Do they even have the internet down Frankston way???

I suppose I should have some sympathy for your handicap. You are obviously paralyzed from the neck up.

What a coincidence!!!!

My VirginSensor went off when I read your post.

And if we didn't have internet down Frankston way, how the hell am I on here, you f**kwit.