Why was the Russian Terrorism thread closed?

[Lionel Lyon]

A half intelligent (a nice change ) thread gets shut down. What did I miss?

 

[JUBJUB]

Probably because it turned into a "How stupid can Suzi get " thread.
She has to stuff everything because she a brainless ****wit.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Oh OK....(whimpers off with tail between legs racked by thoughts of what could have been)

 

[M29]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
Probably because it turned into a "How stupid can Suzi get " thread.

'Can get'? You mean 'IS' right? Correct about the ****wit part though.

 

[myee8]

Suzi had the visionary insight to suggest that the Russian Special Forces 'evacuate' all the hostages before gassing the Chechen terrorists and y'all can imagine it snowballing from there. Now in the words of Pauline Hanson, please explain!!

Let's start is again here: So the Russian's gassed the joint and are tight-lipped as to what it can be...

 

[stumpy]

Originally posted by M29


'Can get'? You mean 'IS' right? Correct about the ****wit part though.

All except Lionel Lion are idiots

 

[Stucey]

Originally posted by stumpy

All except Lionel Lion are idiots

All except: Myee, M29, Lionel Lyon, Jub Jub and Stucey are idiots.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

OK, I'll try to kickstart if again I read that the Germans tested the blood of a couple of their people who'd been held hostage in the theatre and found that the gas that the Russians used was Halothane (anaesthesiologists step forward please and kindly explain what this is).

Curve Ball: The Russian govt. is arresting people from their security services on suspicion that they were in cahoots with the terrorists, passing-on to them info on security force movements (although it begs the question: how then did the Chechens not know that the gas and FSB troops were coming?).

Over to you...

 

[myee8]

Ahh good to see someone following my lead. Well from what i know the Russian Special Forces who stormed the theatre were innoculated against the gas, but funny that they didn't provide any of it to the hostages or hospitals! Their excuse was that they didn't want it falling into terrorist hands, a poor excuse if you ask me. Now they are playing funny buggers with the families of the hostages, reminds me of what happen with the Kursk when i saw on the news some Russian nurse injecting a sedative into a relative of a dead sailor as she was getting a tad hysterical...

The chechen terrorists didn't know because they were falling under the influnce of the 'gas' and when they started to realise wot was happening, the Russian Special Forces were doing their thing and shooting them.

Now back to you!

 

[Lionel Lyon]

The lack of antidotes for the hostages undid what was actually a brilliant plan. Plain stupid really.

Re: the Chechens. If they were getting intelligence from outside, as these latest arrests attest, then why did not the informants tell them to prepare for it? From one account that I read, they had gas masks with them, but were caught completely by surprise.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Inthe paper it said that nearly all the hostages died as a result of the gas. They hadn't eaten for days and were a bit weaker than normal and as a result succumbed more easily to the effects of the gas. Using terrorists gaining the antidote as a reason doesn't excuse not helping the hostages re an antidote.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Using terrorists gaining the antidote as a reason doesn't excuse not helping the hostages re an antidote.

Yeah that was weird logic

 

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon


Yeah that was weird logic

If that was their fear, then why didn't they just take in enough antidote for the affected hostages under guard and adminster it themselves.

They probably didn't think of that.. I guess the answer lays in the famous oxymoron "military intelligence".

 

[noodle]

a big **** up by the russians (again).

the really strange part that i don't get is that even if the news of the gas antidote was leaked to the cechens how are they going to get some when the theater was surrounded.

 

[Bridgette]

HALOTHANE FACT SHEET

DESCRIPTION....
Halothane (Fluothane; 2-bromo-2-chloro-1,1,1-trifluoroethane) is ahalogenated hydrocarbon that has a relatively low solubility in bodyfluids and a molecular weight of 197.4.

PHYSICAL HAZARDS....
Although halothane is nonflammable, a fire can cause it to decompose to toxic and corrosivecompounds which include hydrogen chloride, hydrogen bromide and hydrogen fluoride. Halothane hasa high vapor pressure, and therefore, can achieve a vapor concentration of 30% in air or oxygen atroom temperature.

POTENTIAL HEALTH HAZARDS....
Animal studies have thus far revealed no significant evidence for mutagenicity, genotoxicity, orcarcinogenicity. The most risk is not to the exposed individual, but to fetuses in utero. Halothane hasbeen demonstrated to cause an increase in spontaneous abortion and birth defects.

SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS....
*acute exposure:Headache, nausea, vomiting, skin irritation, dizziness, narcosis, decreasedrespiration, and lowering of the pulse and blood pressure.
*chronic exposure:Fatigue, cardiac arrhythmias, liver dysfunction, and loss of appetite.

EXPOSURE LIMITS AND TOXICOLOGYOSHA....
OSHA has not established a permissible exposure limit for halothane. It is recommended that noworker should be exposed to greater than 2 ppm (10.75 mg/m3 for halothane) of any halogenatedanesthetic agent, based on the weight of the agent collected for a 45-liter air sample by charcoal absorption over a sampling period not to exceed one hour.

CONTROL MEASURES....
*Halothane must be administered by an approved anesthesia machine or in a fume hood. Skincontact with liquid halothane should be prevented by wearing gloves and aprons/lab coats.
*Liquid halothane should be stored in cool, well-ventilated areas away from sources of ignition oropen flames.
*Halothane should not be stored near reactive metals such as sodium, potassium, and finely dividedzinc, aluminum and magnesium.

Charming Chemical this one.

Peace,
Evan

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon
A half intelligent (a nice change ) thread gets shut down. What did I miss?

Just illustrates why we need the 'Society and Culture' board. Too many threads on these sort of issues on the 'General' board just degenerate into inane bickering and namecalling.

I wouldn't say the S & C board is a fountain of wisdom, but at least genuine debate on such issues takes place.