Why we should enter the PSD

[All Australian]

As it stands now, with Gold Coast having the first five picks in the Rookie draft we would be around pick 15. With the Tigers and the Bombers stating that they will pick youth with their picks in the PSD, this means that about 17 youngsters will already be taken before we have a pick. What I'm suggesting is that we delist a player, enter the PSD where we will have pick 7. With Freo, Melb and Syd committed to older players, this would mean we get to pick the 3rd highest rated junior available. We all know that clubs rate juniors differently, but surely it would be in our best interest to go down this path. As for the player we delist, we can always pick them back up with our last rookie pick.( My preference would be Johnson) Not sure if there would be financial ramifications doing this, but it has been reported several times that we have money spare. Just an opinion that I think we should explore. Any opportunity we get to strengthen our list should be looked at.

 

[Kramer1]

As it stands now, with Gold Coast having the first five picks in the Rookie draft we would be around pick 15. With the Tigers and the Bombers stating that they will pick youth with their picks in the PSD, this means that about 17 youngsters will already be taken before we have a pick. What I'm suggesting is that we delist a player, enter the PSD where we will have pick 7. With Freo, Melb and Syd committed to older players, this would mean we get to pick the 3rd highest rated junior available. We all know that clubs rate juniors differently, but surely it would be in our best interest to go down this path. As for the player we delist, we can always pick them back up with our last rookie pick.( My preference would be Johnson) Not sure if there would be financial ramifications doing this, but it has been reported several times that we have money spare. Just an opinion that I think we should explore. Any opportunity we get to strengthen our list should be looked at.

Not the craziest idea to have ever graced the boards AA.

Probably does come down to finances a bit with CJ. He was contracted for two years...no idea of the dollars but I would expect that it's north of $100K per year. I don't think we are in the position to throw that coin away (amplified by the fact we are contributing to Fev's wage and possibly Cloke too).

Wiggins looks like he will get to go on his terms (rightly or wrongly) or possibly his off-field contribution is highly valued with such a young list. Fisher may well be a required player after the Fevola kerfuffle, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him earn a regular gig in 2010.

I can't think of anyone else on the main list who could or should make way for a speculative pick.

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

Not a bad idea delisting and then drafting them as a mature aged rookie

 

[Kramer1]

Forgot about that option...doesn't $50K or so of the mature age rookie salary sit outside the cap?

Might be largely dependant on what plays out with Cloke...Hawks and Port still need ruckmen so I expect he will go. Perhaps CJ is listed as a mature rookie and we go with AA's outlandish suggestion above.

 

[Azul]

Yeah, why not? Pick 7 in the PSD beats pick umpteen in the RD.

As I've said before in c_p's thread, I can't see Anderson getting a game unless injuries strike. That's the point of the rookie list - top up players for long term injuries.

Is there a limit to the number a club can re-rookie? As unless someone like Voss wants to spite us, I can't see anyone picking up Fisher, Anderson or Johnson.

If a rule is there to exploit, someone else will if we don't.

 

[CFC16]

Its very surprising Carlton didn't delist a few more players.

 

[The Bighouse]

Its very surprising Carlton didn't delist a few more players.

Many reasons I'd imagine; contracts, draft picks available to us, scouting reports on players likely available to us, happy with list (as quoted).

We still can, and we still should (C.Johnson likely) - though only if the recruiting team think there is a gem out there not drafted we can realistically get in the PSD, which at this stage would only be Rich & Ess ahead of us without commitments to players.

Rookie draft will then be diluted by Gold Coast and our picks will be further outside our control.

 

[All Australian]

Thats the thing. If we do this we will not weaken our list. Someone outside our best 22 will be put on the rookie list and we get a player that Gold Coast would more than likely take with there 1st pick. If whoever we put on the rookie list shows enough, we can always promote him.

 

[mediumsizered]

Rookie draft will then be diluted by Gold Coast and our picks will be further outside our control.

My understanding is that the Gold Coast are going to use their picks in the Rookie Draft to recruit some recycled players to add some size/experience to their VFL side for 2010, because as it stands at the moment they would get badly beaten up at VFL level.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coasts-heavy-brigade/story-e6frf9jf-1225805555468

 

[Azul]

the Gold Coast are going to use their picks in the Rookie Draft to recruit some recycled players to add some size/experience to their VFL side for 2010

Supposing that's true, there's still 9 other teams we finished above that have rookie selections. I wouldn't lose any sleep if any of the 3 players I mentioned were rookied by GC, ahead of us 're-rookie-ing' them. It could be worth the risk if we get the player that might otherwise not slip to our pick.

e.g. last year's 1st rookie pick was Liam Jurrah, who seems to have done okay. He might have been the sort of 'project tall' that we're craving for as a KPF in this year's selections that mightn't slip through to our pick in this year's RD.

Even if there are sufficient 'project players' to go around by our first RD pick, would it hurt to 'double dip'?

 

[Pratt = Premiers]

My understanding is that the Gold Coast are going to use their picks in the Rookie Draft to recruit some recycled players to add some size/experience to their VFL side for 2010, because as it stands at the moment they would get badly beaten up at VFL level.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/gold-coasts-heavy-brigade/story-e6frf9jf-1225805555468

I'm probably 80-90% sure they will stand by their word, but could they be bluffing the entire league so clubs don't do what was suggested in the opening post in the belief the Gold Coast will be taking recycled players?? i would respect them if they said all this, then came out and took the 5 best young fellas available, they'll need to keep their poker face on though.

 

[THE_GUN]

there are some very good points made by some of you guys here.
the thing to consider is whats better for your club in 3 years time !!

fisher , johnson , anderson or patrick , panos , dare , or any other kpp

i think that most carlton supporters would agree that fisher,johnson,anderson probably wouldnt be there in 3 years so why wait.

 

[mediumsizered]

Supposing that's true, there's still 9 other teams we finished above that have rookie selections. I wouldn't lose any sleep if any of the 3 players I mentioned were rookied by GC, ahead of us 're-rookie-ing' them. It could be worth the risk if we get the player that might otherwise not slip to our pick.

e.g. last year's 1st rookie pick was Liam Jurrah, who seems to have done okay. He might have been the sort of 'project tall' that we're craving for as a KPF in this year's selections that mightn't slip through to our pick in this year's RD.

Even if there are sufficient 'project players' to go around by our first RD pick, would it hurt to 'double dip'?

Clubs will be allowed 2 mature-age rookies next season & we are potentially looking at having Cloke as one of our mature-age rookies should he not be picked up by someone else.

What we don't want to be doing is paying too many players who are playing for other clubs or not playing at all. We are already going to be paying part of Fev's wage & could also be paying part of Cloke's wage should he end up at Port or Hawthorn. If we were to delist a Fisher, Wiggins, Johnson etc, we could well end up paying their wage & getting no value for this. I don't think it is a good idea to be paying money to players from whom you are getting no return.

I think though we can safely assume from the fact that we don't look like delisting anyone else that there is not a Eddie Betts or a Liam Jurrah out there waiting to be nabbed in the PSD. Don't be fooled into thinking that Jurrah suddenly fell into Melbourne's arms either. You can safely assume they had earmarked him for their PSD pick even before the ND had taken place last year.

What we do have though is a couple of project players to work with in Zac Tuohy & Peter Labi, plus a known quantity in Jeff Garlett, who no doubt will be a nominated rookie again next season. In addition we also have David Ellard on our rookie list, who played some very good football for the Bullants in 2009.

At the end of the day players like Fisher, Wiggins & Johnson are retained on our list as insurance against injuries to experienced players. Fisher particularly has demonstrated that he can be a goalkicker, with tallies of 39.15 in 2007 & 25.22 in 2008 (he was restricted by a knee injury in 2008). He may still have a part to play in a Fev-less forward line, as well as being insurance against injury to a Carlton forward.

Realistically, the lack of participants in this year's PSD tells us that, despite Gold Coast monopolising the early picks in the Rookie Draft, there are no youngsters overlooked in the ND worthy of having a PSD pick for. Bearing in mind the TPP ramifications for drafting a player in the PSD as compared to drafting in the Rookie Draft.

 

[mediumsizered]

there are some very good points made by some of you guys here.
the thing to consider is whats better for your club in 3 years time !!

fisher , johnson , anderson or patrick , panos , dare , or any other kpp

i think that most carlton supporters would agree that fisher,johnson,anderson probably wouldnt be there in 3 years so why wait.

I think there is a fair chance that none of the above players will be at our club in 3 years time, but next year we would have to pay the wages of Fisher, Johnson & Anderson, as well as Patrick, Panos & Dare. In other words you would be paying 6 players & only have 3 of them on your list. I don't see the logic in that.

 

[GordonBlue]

I think there is a fair chance that none of the above players will be at our club in 3 years time, but next year we would have to pay the wages of Fisher, Johnson & Anderson, as well as Patrick, Panos & Dare. In other words you would be paying 6 players & only have 3 of them on your list. I don't see the logic in that.

if we can offered it... why not?

We have plenty of room in the salary cap... and if we're gonna pay the 3 abovementioned players to play in the seconds all year... knowing in 3 years time (more like 1 years time - minus ando)...they won't be around... then the $120k for 3 potential players extra (min wage for young footballer) is completely valid...

 

[Blue Dimension]

Sidenote... reckon you guys could be jumping the gun on Anderson. Really took some strides forward in 09 in terms of development of his game (especially at the end of the year). Didn't really get much of a chance to show it at senior level but you could see he was playing some really good footy for the Bullants.

 

[Aphrodite]

Gold Coast will limit 'raid'

Even more reason now to enter the PSD with GC17 poised to
take seasoned players as rookies in the rookie draft on December 15.

They have the 1st 5 selections in the PSD & could use them on delisted players.

So who do we delist?

I say NO: 34

Gold Coast will limit 'raid'

 

[BlackGoanna]

Sidenote... reckon you guys could be jumping the gun on Anderson. Really took some strides forward in 09 in terms of development of his game (especially at the end of the year). Didn't really get much of a chance to show it at senior level but you could see he was playing some really good footy for the Bullants.

Totally agree he was outstanding for the bullants in the finals. His run and carry out of the backline was exceptional and he seemed to be playing with a new found confidence. So much so, I could see him playing in our 22 this year if he keeps up that form.

In regards to the mature age rookies. What restictions do they have on playing? Does there need to be a long term injury? I would have thought it would be a good idea if there are no restictions and we are confident they wont be picked up by another club.

Our only chance of a speculative key forward would be the PSD. There is no chance a Panos, Patrick, Dare or Temal would be available at our pick in the rookie draft.

I suppose we will know by 3.00pm today.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I back this idea - I would like any one of these players in the PSD:


1 - Michael Barlow (Werribee)
2 - Daniel Bradshaw (Brisbane Lions)
3 - Cameron Cloke (Carlton)
4 - Joseph Dare (Geelong Falcons)
5 - Majak Daw (Western Jets)
6 - Josh Donaldson (West Perth)
7 - Josh Dyson (Eastern Ranges)
8 - Mitch Fisher (Geelong Falcons)
9 - Matt Fowler (Gold Coast)
10 - Mitch Golby (Gippsland Power)
11 - Dylan Grimes (Northern Knights)
12 - Jack Hannath (Central District)
13 - Scott Harding (Brisbane Lions)
14 - Kyle Hardingham (East Fremantle)
15 - Robbie Hicks (Calder Cannons)
16 - Tom Hill (Northern Knights)
17 - Andrew Hooper (North Ballarat Rebels)
18 - Mark Hutchings (East Perth)
19 - Sam Iles (Box Hill Hawks)
20 - Dylan Jones (Sandringham Dragons)
21 - Cameron Kickett (Perth)
22 - Joel Macdonald (Brisbane Lions)
28 - Tom MacKenzie (Geelong Falcons)
29 - Brock McCauley (Southport)
31 - Dylan McNeil (Lavington)
32 - Adam McPhee (Essendon)
33 - Matthew Panos (Norwood)
34 - Liam Patrick (Wanderers)
35 - Graham Polak (Richmond)
36 - Matthew Scott (Eastern Ranges)
37 - Daniel Scott-Collings (Glenelg)
38 - Myles Sewell (North Ballarat Roosters)
39 - Alex Silvagni (Casey Scorpions)
40 - Mitchell Taylor (Wanderers)
41 - Serhat Temel (Calder Cannons)
42 - Luke Thompson (Geelong Falcons)
43 - Sean Tighe (Western Jets)
44 - Derick Wanganeen (Port Adelaide Magpies)
45 - Jack Weston (Gippsland Power)

+ Alex Stopp.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think there is a fair chance that none of the above players will be at our club in 3 years time, but next year we would have to pay the wages of Fisher, Johnson & Anderson, as well as Patrick, Panos & Dare. In other words you would be paying 6 players & only have 3 of them on your list. I don't see the logic in that.

sorry mediumsizered,have to disagree with you & im pretty sure most carton and all other supporters will agree !!

120k in todays times of afl football is nothing when topliners re getting 800k-1.1mil a season.
ask yourself this question & you will find the answer your looking for,if the afl allowed carlton to have an extra 3 players on the list at 40k pp
would carlton take them................im sure the answer is yes

i think most would agree that players like c.johnson,wiggins,fisher and anderson either wont make it or not upto afl level so the chance to in carltons case take 3-4 kpf in the psd or rookie draft would be a no brainer. now im not a football manager or a guru by any stretch but having for example.

panos /temel...............1 you would definately get
tighe / patrick / hill / dare............ another one of these would fall through to 2nd pick
with perhaps either taking another untried or maybe a
simpson/thorp type

120 k is not what carlton would be worried about, probably more that they dont want to be seen to be throwing players out that are still contracted

 

[ericpascoe]

As it stands now, with Gold Coast having the first five picks in the Rookie draft we would be around pick 15. With the Tigers and the Bombers stating that they will pick youth with their picks in the PSD, this means that about 17 youngsters will already be taken before we have a pick. What I'm suggesting is that we delist a player, enter the PSD where we will have pick 7. With Freo, Melb and Syd committed to older players, this would mean we get to pick the 3rd highest rated junior available. We all know that clubs rate juniors differently, but surely it would be in our best interest to go down this path. As for the player we delist, we can always pick them back up with our last rookie pick.( My preference would be Johnson) Not sure if there would be financial ramifications doing this, but it has been reported several times that we have money spare. Just an opinion that I think we should explore. Any opportunity we get to strengthen our list should be looked at.

I agree entirely with the OP on this one. Unfortunately, I believe we will bypass the PSD and go straight to Rookie draft

 

[Salaryman]

I agree entirely with the OP on this one. Unfortunately, I believe we will bypass the PSD and go straight to Rookie draft

Poor decision in my book. Personally I would have supported an even bolder move and made 2 spots available....2 picks in the PSD....couple of lads there I'd be quite happy with on a senior list if it ensured we acquired their services.

 

[zeeCFC]

thanks for the info ep
sadly you're the bearer of bad news this time haha

 

[40yearBLUE]

The OP posts an intriguing idea, one I am sure our people would have canvassed. The risks as I see it is we delist a fringe player with the intention of redrafting them as MA rookies and GC or some other team takes them before we get to them again. Some might say so what but if a player has been told they will be retained and then we risk them in this way I would say that isnt the right thing to do.

Nevertheless a very interesting idea and moving ahead in the picking order.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Excellent thread AA

Is pretty much how we got Jamison.