Golf World Golf thread

[Art Vandelay_]

Not unfathomable that Smith could make it whilst still on LIV tour.

Bryson got 24pts last event for winning it. And top 50 atm is around 100pts so 2-3 wins and top 10 finishes on the regular on LIV and you can still be top 50.

Smith got points for participating in our tournament season back home.
Doing well in the majors he has access to as a past Open Champion would help too.

 

[sideswipe]

Not unfathomable that Smith could make it whilst still on LIV tour.

Bryson got 24pts last event for winning it. And top 50 atm is around 100pts so 2-3 wins and top 10 finishes on the regular on LIV and you can still be top 50.

Smith got points for participating in our tournament season back home.
Doing well in the majors he has access to as a past Open Champion would help too.

It's certainly unfathomable unless he turns his game around. He has regressed every year he has been on LIV - and that's just in terms of his LIV standings, leaving aside his decline in majors. I do truly hope he turns it around.

For someone with 5 top 10s(3 of them top 5) in 9 starts at Augusta, it would be a shame if he only gets two more tries.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Fight or flight perhaps.

When you've made squillions joining a breakaway tour the drive to do all the little things like you did on tour to stay on top probably isn't as rigourous. That's where golf is good compared to tennis. No prizemoney merely for showing up.

Make the weekend or you played for free. Maybe Cam is now just a content fat cat.

 

[sideswipe]

Fight or flight perhaps.

When you've made squillions joining a breakaway tour the drive to do all the little things like you did on tour to stay on top probably isn't as rigourous. That's where golf is good compared to tennis. No prizemoney merely for showing up.

Make the weekend or you played for free. Maybe Cam is now just a content fat cat.

I know I would be the fattest of fat cats! i personally reckon Cam's strengths of short game and putting don't get adequately tested(and therefore maintained/improved) on the LIV goat tracks.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Did Foxtel show the ceremonial start? or was it the Live at the Masters replay

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Did Foxtel show the ceremonial start? or was it the Live at the Masters replay

I'm trying to find live coverage.

Looks like it's interviews on the range from 10:30am...

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Did Foxtel show the ceremonial start? or was it the Live at the Masters replay

Didn’t show it.

Coverage starting time has changed from 11:00 to 12:00am.

 

[Orfullrules]

Interviews and a week of replays. How about some live golf? They show more at the Mauritius Open, it’s masters time.

 

[peternorth]

 

[Satan]

Cam smith not young lol

 

[RU_]

Can someone who understands golf more than me, explain the Cam Smith 2 more tries at the masters situation?

 

[Planet14]

So there are actual players playing actual tournament rounds on course, but the only coverage is Bryson hitting wedges on the range?

 

[Satan]

So there are actual players playing actual tournament rounds on course, but the only coverage is Bryson hitting wedges on the range?

The masters control the coverage .not cbs etc . It is a lot better than 20 years ago before cable came in and you were lucky to get 3 hrs live on 9 . At once stage you only saw the back 9 live

 

[Art Vandelay_]

A lot of very long putts on 6.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So there are actual players playing actual tournament rounds on course, but the only coverage is Bryson hitting wedges on the range?

Augusta National have given CBS the coverage for free since it was first televised.

Benefits include full control over coverage, including suspending journalists and broadcasters who say or do things they don't like. Control over what is covered. And keeps CBS on its toes to produce at a high level every year or it will go to someone else.

There's no contract. Just a handshake.
This is what they get for leaving hundred's of millions of dollars on the table annually.

 

[Planet14]

The masters control the coverage .not cbs etc . It is a lot better than 20 years ago before cable came in and you were lucky to get 3 hrs live on 9 . At once stage you only saw the back 9 live

I’m aware of the history. I just don’t understand if they choose to broadcast something, they choose the range over the course.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Can someone who understands golf more than me, explain the Cam Smith 2 more tries at the masters situation?

Plays on the rebel LIV tour which has far fewer world rankings points attached to it.

Masters Tournament Qualifications​

1. Masters Tournament Champions (Lifetime)
2. U.S. Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after five years)
3. The Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after five years)
4. PGA Champions (Honorary, non-competing after five years)
5. Winners of the Players Championship (Three years)
6. Current Olympic Gold Medalist (One Year)
7. Current U.S. Amateur Champion (7-A) (Honorary, non-competing after one year) and the Runner-up (7-B) to the current U.S. Amateur Champion
8. Current The Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after one year)
9. Current Asia-Pacific Amateur Champion (One year)
10. Current Latin America Amateur Champion (One year)
11. Current U.S. Mid-Amateur Champion (One year)
12. Current NCAA Division I Men's Individual Champion (One year)
13. The first 12 players, including ties, in the previous year's Masters Tournament
14. The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's U.S. Open
15. The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's The Open Championship
16. The first 4 players, including ties, in the previous year's PGA Championship
17. Individual winners of PGA Tour events that award a full-point allocation applied to the season-ending Tour Championship
18. Those qualifying and eligible for the previous year's season-ending Tour Championship
19. Current Scottish Open Champion (One year)
20. Current Spanish Open Champion (One year)
21. Current Japan Open Champion (One year)
22. Current Hong Kong Open Champion (One year)
23. Current Australian Open Champion (One year)
24. Current South African Open Champion (One year)
25. The 50 leaders on the final Official World Golf Ranking for the previous calendar year
26. The 50 leaders on the final Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the current Masters Tournament

He isn't a past Masters Champion yet so 1. doesn't help him.

He's currently getting invites under 3. as a recent Open Champion.
Liv golfers can't play 5.
6. Is once every 4 years.
7-12 are for amateurs.
13. Requires him to keep doing well at Augusta to get an invite the following year. As do 14-16 if competing.

17-24 he cannot attain on LIV tour.
25-26 are possible on LIV tour but the scarcity of points makes it difficult.

As the 2022 Open Champion 2027 represents his last opportunity to compete at Augusta and from then on would need to qualify via one of the other methods. And would need to do it each year.

 

[RU_]

Plays on the rebel LIV tour which has far fewer world rankings points attached to it.



He isn't a past Masters Champion yet so 1. doesn't help him.

He's currently getting invites under 3. as a recent Open Champion.
Liv golfers can't play 5.
6. Is once every 4 years.
7-12 are for amateurs.
13. Requires him to keep doing well at Augusta to get an invite the following year. As do 14-16 if competing.

17-24 he cannot attain on LIV tour.
25-26 are possible on LIV tour but the scarcity of points makes it difficult.

As the 2022 Open Champion 2027 represents his last opportunity to compete at Augusta and from then on would need to qualify via one of the other methods. And would need to do it each year.

Much appreciated explanation!

 

[Satan]

Plays on the rebel LIV tour which has far fewer world rankings points attached to it.



He isn't a past Masters Champion yet so 1. doesn't help him.

He's currently getting invites under 3. as a recent Open Champion.
Liv golfers can't play 5.
6. Is once every 4 years.
7-12 are for amateurs.
13. Requires him to keep doing well at Augusta to get an invite the following year. As do 14-16 if competing.

17-24 he cannot attain on LIV tour.
25-26 are possible on LIV tour but the scarcity of points makes it difficult.

As the 2022 Open Champion 2027 represents his last opportunity to compete at Augusta and from then on would need to qualify via one of the other methods. And would need to do it each year.

I read there are only 11 LIV golfers playing this year

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Chairman of Augusta National Golf Club and the Masters Tournament, Fred Ridley, delivered an impressive press conference yesterday. The most striking part was his firm assessment on the golf ball rollback debate.
In his opening remarks, he said:
“Finally, I've commented for the past several years on the subject of distance. We have been consistent in our support of the governing bodies in their effort to regulate the distance elite players are hitting the golf ball. Recognizing that the implementation of the Overall Distance Standard test for golf balls may be delayed to 2030, I want to reemphasize that support and affirm our position as the USGA and R&A represent their collective obligation as custodians of the game.

“I also want to be clear that our position is grounded on much more than protecting the Augusta National golf course. We will continue to make modifications as are necessary to react to driving distances that in some cases exceed 350 yards.
“Unfortunately, many courses, including some iconic venues, do not have that option. Until recent years golf has been a game of imagination, creativity, and variety. The game has become much more one-dimensional. As players drive the ball prodigious distances and routinely hit short irons into par-4s and even some par-5s, this issue goes beyond competitive impacts. Increased course lengths results in more time, more cost, and more environmental concerns.

“The data that has been shared with all stakeholders makes one thing clear: The impact to the recreational game will be immaterial. All of us in this room and millions of weekend golfers around the world will be hard-pressed to notice the effects of this change, and I do not believe our enjoyment of the game will be affected.
“As for professional golf, we hold firm in our belief that the greats of the game are defined not merely by how far they hit the ball, but their extraordinary skill in all aspects of the game. Their ability to shape shots, to take on risk, and to execute under pressure is at the heart of championship golf and is best displayed through a full spectrum of shot-making opportunities.

“Regulation of the golf ball is not an attempt to turn back time or stifle progress. It is an effort to preserve the essence of what makes golf the great game that it is.”
Later in the press conference when asked about the role of the Masters in the roll back, he said:
“There has been -- there's always been quite a lot of agreement. My feeling on this subject is failure's not an option. I think we need to continue to work together to come to some agreement.

“Tough issues like this require compromise, and I think there has been some compromise to date. There's certainly commercial interests that are at play here, and we all know what those are, but at the same time, I think, if we can look at this from the standpoint -- and it's not just trying to -- it's not the good old days. That's not what we're trying to do.
“What we're trying to do is to protect the integrity of what makes golf so great. I think I tried to articulate it in my comments, and that's that it's more than about just hitting prodigious drives.

“I talked to Jackson Herrington, one of our young amateurs, and he told me that yesterday he hit it over the bunker on 1 and 5, which is about a 325-yard carry, and one was into the wind. I've said that we can make changes, but there's not much we can do to make changes, number one, unless we tear down the Eisenhower Cabin, and we're not going to do that.
“We'll make changes when we can, but I think it's time to really address this issue. It's been talked about for a long time.”
Whatever your stance on the rollback, these are the strongest comments yet.
“Failure is not an option.”

Watched the interview. Was a good discussion on golf in general and what the rule makers need to do with golf ball technology.

I particularly liked when he noted golf was a game of imagination. Working your way around a course.
But a lot of that has been lost now that tour players bomb drives and then have short irons in.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

What a way to go being killed by Jack

 

[Art Vandelay_]

arseh*le has started well with a birdie and eagle early.

 

[sideswipe]

I’m aware of the history. I just don’t understand if they choose to broadcast something, they choose the range over the course.

Use the app if you want to see more golf

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Chadwiko]

So Jason Day had a great first round.