Analysis Worst All-Australian selection of all time?

[Tim Evans Beard]

Damn, imagine being this angry over the value of this thread being criticized.

Everyone with football knowledge knows squiggle and The Hawthorn youth threads were the far better this year, but this thread continues on the front page for some charity smooth brain representation, and because OP’s a basement dweller with a neck beard , so he stands out against the posters with quality content.

Sorry, but this thread is not a good thread at all, and had no business being anywhere near front page, or any other page. That is a fact.

 

[WilloTree]

Where was he ranked 17th?

Said it above but of the 4 candidates that year (Naitanui, Cox, Jacobs, Maric) Naitanui was the top ranked of them in the coaches votes, Brownlow votes and Champion data. So it wasn't just the AA committe that rated his year.

Did you look it up? I guess I can do it for you, but it really only takes 20 seconds.

sigh..

Rank	Player	Team	Games	Average
1​	Aaron Sandilands​	Fremantle​	14​	37.71​
2​	Darren Jolly​	Collingwood​	20​	32.45​
3​	Mark Jamar​	Melbourne​	14​	32.36​
4​	Will Minson​	Western Bulldogs​	21​	31.76​
5​	Robert Warnock​	Carlton​	5​	31.60​
6​	Todd Goldstein​	North Melbourne​	21​	31.57​
7​	Ivan Maric​	Richmond​	21​	31.05​
8​	Sam Jacobs​	Adelaide​	24​	30.96​
9​	Tom Bellchambers​	Essendon​	16​	28.00​
10​	Shane Mumford​	Sydney​	17​	27.00​
11​	Mark Seaby​	Sydney​	5​	26.40​
12​	Dean Cox​	West Coast​	24​	26.17​
13​	Ben McEvoy​	St Kilda​	16​	25.31​
14​	Brent Renouf​	Port Adelaide​	10​	25.30​
15​	Ben Hudson​	Brisbane​	18​	25.17​
16​	Jonathon Griffin​	Fremantle​	13​	24.69​
17​	Nicholas Naitanui​	West Coast​	22​	24.68​

 

[JamesCroft89]

Revisionist history crap. You got called out because your OP was sh*t. How many port games last year did you watch? No one in the media had an issue with DBJ being in the side.

Ah, the media, the pinnacle of football knowledge. How could I possibly doubt the wisdom of Damien Barrett and Tony Jones?

 

[Del165198]

Ah, the media, the pinnacle of football knowledge. How could I possibly doubt the wisdom of Damien Barrett and Tony Jones?

Just admit you didn't actually see any port games last year, saw DBJ spudding it up this season and decided to make a thread.

 

[JamesCroft89]

Just admit you didn't actually see any port games last year, saw DBJ spudding it up this season and decided to make a thread.

I saw more than enough to know Daniel and Maynard were clearly better players.

If you searched the All-Australian thread from last year, you might find I'm hardly the only one with that view too.

But hey, who could possibly argue with the brilliant minds in the media? After all, the media is the all-knowing football oracle.

Embarrassing

 

[kane249]

Did you look it up? I guess I can do it for you, but it really only takes 20 seconds.

sigh..

Rank	Player	Team	Games	Average
1​	Aaron Sandilands​	Fremantle​	14​	37.71​
2​	Darren Jolly​	Collingwood​	20​	32.45​
3​	Mark Jamar​	Melbourne​	14​	32.36​
4​	Will Minson​	Western Bulldogs​	21​	31.76​
5​	Robert Warnock​	Carlton​	5​	31.60​
6​	Todd Goldstein​	North Melbourne​	21​	31.57​
7​	Ivan Maric​	Richmond​	21​	31.05​
8​	Sam Jacobs​	Adelaide​	24​	30.96​
9​	Tom Bellchambers​	Essendon​	16​	28.00​
10​	Shane Mumford​	Sydney​	17​	27.00​
11​	Mark Seaby​	Sydney​	5​	26.40​
12​	Dean Cox​	West Coast​	24​	26.17​
13​	Ben McEvoy​	St Kilda​	16​	25.31​
14​	Brent Renouf​	Port Adelaide​	10​	25.30​
15​	Ben Hudson​	Brisbane​	18​	25.17​
16​	Jonathon Griffin​	Fremantle​	13​	24.69​
17​	Nicholas Naitanui​	West Coast​	22​	24.68​

Hang on, all you've done is rank the ruckman based on hit outs?

Refer you to the game from last week, Grundy won the hit outs 63-4 and Collingwood lost the centre clearances and barely won the overall clearances.
Heck Freo fans used to lament for a long time that Sandilands winning the taps was useless because the opposition used to just shark it.

Using the raw hit out numbers solely to measure a ruckman's impact is lazy analysis.

 

[Del165198]

I saw more than enough to know Daniel and Maynard were clearly better players.

If you searched the All-Australian thread from last year, you might find I'm hardly the only one with that view too.

But hey, who could possibly argue with the brilliant minds in the media? After all, the media is the all-knowing football oracle.

Embarrassing

I did read the AA thread from last year, and the only ones disagreeing were clueless flogs who didn't see many port games

 

[P4Life]

I did read the AA thread from last year, and the only ones disagreeing were clueless flogs who didn't see many port games

And just to further prove that the poster has no clue.
Caleb Daniel made the 2020 AA team.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Out of all the players who have been selected for the All-Australian team, which one stands out to you as the worst?

Selections like Leon Davis 2009, Shane Edwards 2018, Max Gawn 2019, Corey Enright 2016, Cyril Rioli 2012 come to mind.

For me, it's Darcy Byrne-Jones in 2020. There is a player who had absolutely no business being anywhere near All-Australian. Probably got selected because he had a mullet.

Just a disclaimer: this is not a troll thread. This is a thread to scrutinise past AA selections.

In the real world does it really who's selected as they don't play anybody.
For me it's just a PR exercise for sports who do likewise things

 

[Stan Van Gundy]

Damn, imagine being this angry over the value of this thread being criticized.

Everyone with football knowledge knows squiggle and The Hawthorn youth threads were the far better this year, but this thread continues on the front page for some charity smooth brain representation, and because OP’s a basement dweller with a neck beard , so he stands out against the posters with quality content.

Sorry, but this thread is not a good thread at all, and had no business being anywhere near front page, or any other page. That is a fact.

What's with all the ad hominem attacks? How do you know OP is a neck-bearded basement dweller? Lets be honest, you melted over the fact that the OP nominated Byrne-Jones as the worst AA selection of all time. I don't agree with that take, but the actual premise of this thread is not terrible and can bring about some decent discussion. Why're you so angry?

 

[WilloTree]

Hang on, all you've done is rank the ruckman based on hit outs?

Refer you to the game from last week, Grundy won the hit outs 63-4 and Collingwood lost the centre clearances and barely won the overall clearances.
Heck Freo fans used to lament for a long time that Sandilands winning the taps was useless because the opposition used to just shark it.

Using the raw hit out numbers solely to measure a ruckman's impact is lazy analysis.

Fair point. There's more to what he did in the ruck.

He was ranked at 90 for goals and 410 for marks.

 

[Numero Uno]

the year they made Nat Fyfe captain...embarrassing

even his own team mates hate him...ask lachie neale

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Lachie Neale

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32

Ht

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Wt

84kg

Pos.

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Last 5

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27.0

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K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

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CL

5.9

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D

12.0

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K

4.6

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HB

7.4

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M

2.0

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T

1.0

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CL

0.4

3star

 

[Quinz]

Fair point. There's more to what he did in the ruck.

He was ranked at 90 for goals and 410 for marks.

What do you think Champion Data, the Coaches, the Umpires and the Selectors saw that you missed do you think?

They all had him as the best of the 4 contenders for the ruck spot.

Perhaps they didn't know he was ranked 17th in hit outs

 

[Quinz]

Nic Natinui last year, 13 marks in a season for a ruckman is pathetic. Gawn should've been named ruck, not on the bench and Natinui not even considered.

Only 67% game time as well. Basically force's you to have 2 key Rucks.

A guy coming off 2 knee recos plays 67% game time, takes 13 marks for the year and is still the best ruckman in the comp.

Not sure if that says a lot about Naitanui, a lot about the other ruck competition, or if it's just a giant rubber stamp that says "lies, damn lies and statistics" being pounded into the heads of the football simpletons?

If you don't think NN is a star after so much evidence to the contrary, and all you can do is look at one or two stats to convince yourself, not only are you betraying a lack of football knowledge but also missing out on watching one of the most exciting and damaging players in the game, which is a little sad. Love not hate guys.

 

[WilloTree]

the year they made Nat Fyfe captain...embarrassing

even his own team mates hate him...ask lachie neale

Neale has ‘nothing but respect’ for ex-teammate Fyfe

Lachie Neale chats to Dennis Cometti about his relationship with Nat Fyfe, his favourite derby win, and the key to his blistering start to the season.

thewest.com.au

 

[Numero Uno]

Neale has ‘nothing but respect’ for ex-teammate Fyfe

Lachie Neale chats to Dennis Cometti about his relationship with Nat Fyfe, his favourite derby win, and the key to his blistering start to the season.

thewest.com.au

public vs private
and 'respect' is like a man being 'friend zoned'

only a numpty would believe this 'spin'

 

[WilloTree]

public vs private
and 'respect' is like a man being 'friend zoned'

only a numpty would believe this 'spin'

 

[Numero Uno]

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yet little lachie left to go to a club he had zero ties with



i ReSpEcT NaT fYfE bUt AlSo ThiNk He Is a MaSSiVe fLog

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

More issues with the Coach of The Year Awards

Victories
Hinkley - 2
Simpson - 0
Clarkson - 0
Scott - 0

Winning Percentage
Scott - 69%
Simpson - 65%
Clarkson - 60%
Hinkley - 58%

Grand Finals
Scott - 2
Simpson - 2
Clarkson - 5
Hinkley - 0

Premierships
Scott - 1
Simpson - 1
Clarkson - 4
Hinkley - 0

****ing ridiculous

LOL.

Oh, but wait, Hinkley is a good bloke

 

[Del165198]

More issues with the Coach of The Year Awards

Victories
Hinkley - 2
Simpson - 0
Clarkson - 0
Scott - 0

Winning Percentage
Scott - 69%
Simpson - 65%
Clarkson - 60%
Hinkley - 58%

Grand Finals
Scott - 2
Simpson - 2
Clarkson - 5
Hinkley - 0

Premierships
Scott - 1
Simpson - 1
Clarkson - 4
Hinkley - 0

******* ridiculous

LOL.

Oh, but wait, Hinkley is a good bloke

Won't find too many arguments with that one

 

[Chaisa]

Mine would be Pavlich when they stuck him at FB. That's some peak AA fudgery.

Not as bad as Alastair Lynch getting named at FB in 1993.....in a season he kicked 68 goals in. At least Pavlich only kicked 10 goals in the season he was named at FB and had played most of the season in defence.

 

[Chaisa]

Did you look it up? I guess I can do it for you, but it really only takes 20 seconds.

sigh..

Rank	Player	Team	Games	Average
1​	Aaron Sandilands​	Fremantle​	14​	37.71​
2​	Darren Jolly​	Collingwood​	20​	32.45​
3​	Mark Jamar​	Melbourne​	14​	32.36​
4​	Will Minson​	Western Bulldogs​	21​	31.76​
5​	Robert Warnock​	Carlton​	5​	31.60​
6​	Todd Goldstein​	North Melbourne​	21​	31.57​
7​	Ivan Maric​	Richmond​	21​	31.05​
8​	Sam Jacobs​	Adelaide​	24​	30.96​
9​	Tom Bellchambers​	Essendon​	16​	28.00​
10​	Shane Mumford​	Sydney​	17​	27.00​
11​	Mark Seaby​	Sydney​	5​	26.40​
12​	Dean Cox​	West Coast​	24​	26.17​
13​	Ben McEvoy​	St Kilda​	16​	25.31​
14​	Brent Renouf​	Port Adelaide​	10​	25.30​
15​	Ben Hudson​	Brisbane​	18​	25.17​
16​	Jonathon Griffin​	Fremantle​	13​	24.69​
17​	Nicholas Naitanui​	West Coast​	22​	24.68​

When you consider that Naitanui had to share the ruck load with Cox this is far less of a burn than you think it is.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

What's with all the ad hominem attacks? How do you know OP is a neck-bearded basement dweller? Lets be honest, you melted over the fact that the OP nominated Byrne-Jones as the worst AA selection of all time. I don't agree with that take, but the actual premise of this thread is not terrible and can bring about some decent discussion. Why're you so angry?

The premise of the thread is a little late on the 2020 AA team.

A worthy discussion would be on whether there is a decline in form from the AA back man DBJ and what could be the reasons. Another topic would be ‘which defenders have overtaken DBJ in AA standing this year’ (there have been a few).

The constant attacks on the merits of footballers whose ability and athletic standing is far beyond most posters and the constant attacks on knowledgeable panels of assessment is indicative of a culture that fails to see the good and enjoy achievements and events for what they are wallows in a state of normative discontent whereby their own value system takes precedence over informed, researched opinion.

I haven’t ‘melted’. If the OP can’t accept an uniformed criticism of the thread in the same manner they criticised a league award says more about the quality of the thread then my mirrored criticism ever could.

 

[The 747]

This is a junk thread from a junk poster but it does have some promise once our Port brothers get over the DBJ thing.

Will only comment from a Geelong POV on some which I thought were questionable

• Selwood has a couple that I thought were on reputation only
• Cam Mooney in 2008 is an all time discussion point
• Not sure about Corey Enright in 2016, he was great as always but it felt like a goodbye award.
• The one from Geelong that always confused me was Darren Milburn
  Darren Milburn

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  92kg

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  19.7

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  K

  10.6

  4star

  HB

  9.1

  5star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  2.3

  4star

  No current season stats available

  D

  15.0

  4star

  K

  7.4

  3star

  HB

  7.6

  5star

  M

  5.6

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  , not that he wasn't a good player, he was, but the year he got selected was pretty much the same standard as all the years he didn't get selected.

How about flipping this to an honest thread, players from your team that got AA that raised your eyebrows a bit?

 

[Chaisa]

How about flipping this to an honest thread, players from your team that got AA that raised your eyebrows a bit?

There was a year Bolton made the AA side despite not finishing in the Top 10 of our B&F. In a year we finished 12th.