Worst forward line

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by sabre_ac


You started this topic talking about Crows forward line and aimed your shots in my direction.
If your having problems answering my questions there is no need to get perrsonal now is there.

Not to mention where discussing the crows here not the dockers.

But for your information.

Longmuir,Croad,Farmer,Medurst,Brown/Pavlich and Polak when he returns isnt bad.

By the way you guys have played so far, you will struggle to win a game again this year.

Croad did nothing, Longmuir is easily acounted for, Mehurst will be inconsistent, Pavlich may be gone by the end of they year and Polak will play back.

Farmer is your only trump card, and he might play half his games in the midfield. You guys will finish no higher than 15th.

 

[funky_monk]

CowboyFromHell please don't say you are a Geelong supporter or I really will start laughing. Although given your signature I assume you are a Melbourne supporter so thanks for the Wiz. I'm sure those consistent performers Bizzel and Vardy will see you through this year..!

Longmuir kicked 2.5 (or was it 2.6) last weekend and trust me when I say the only person who stopped J Lo on the weekend was J Lo. Should have had at least 5 and if you look at his conversion percentage for his career he'll kick that next time.

Croad has 4 goals this year after two v average games (thats 44 for the year at that pace). I'm happy with our 2nd best forward getting 44 goals for the year. The Wiz will help him get more as well.

Medhurst may be a rookie but he's an old rookie - 20 at least. So is physically more developed than your average rookie so shouldn't tire as much as most other rookies do as the season goes on (bit of a bargain pick up at 56 might I add).

Polak is a freak and can play both ends as need be.

And the Wiz is the Wiz.

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by funky_monk
CowboyFromHell please don't say you are a Geelong supporter or I really will start laughing.

Longmuir kicked 2.5 (or was it 2.6) last weekend and trust me when I say the only person who stopped J Lo on the weekend was J Lo. Should have had at least 5 and if you look at his conversion percentage for his career he'll kick that next time.

Croad has 4 goals this year after two v average games (thats 44 for the year at that pace). I'm happy with our 2nd best forward getting 44 goals for the year. The Wiz will help him get more as well.

Medhurst may be a rookie but he's an old rookie - 20 at least. So is physically more developed than your average rookie so shouldn't tire as much as most other rookies do as the season goes on (bit of a bargain pick up at 56 might I add).

Polak is a freak and can play both ends as need be.

And the Wiz is the Wiz.

Firstly, CFH is a Melbourne supporter.

You are attempting to use career statistics to your advantage, which may be fair enough when he has kicked poorly. The point is though it doesn't matter what his "conversion percentage for his career" is, it doesn't matter what you say he will kick next time, what matters is what he has kicked.

Imo Fremantle will struggle to kick a winning score often enough this year, there will only be the odd game, when everything is going right, that I believe this will happen.

 

[funky_monk]

Honestly, our midfield is our weakness. Not our forward line (which this thread is about). Want to pick on Freo's midfield, song, whatever... But I think our forward line is pretty solid at the moment.

haven't seen a D's game yet so can't properly comment but the question could be asked if Neitz can carry the Melbourne forward line for the whole year (or will he be needed down back?).

And your quote (sorry about the cut and paste) -

"The point is though it doesn't matter what his "conversion percentage for his career" is, it doesn't matter what you say he will kick next time, what matters is what he has kicked. "

Thank you for your words of wisdom. So I guess that means...
Hawthorn and Port are crap teams for it does not matter what they did last year. It does not matter how good their lists are. It only matter what they have done.

Thanks Obi-wan but I think your reasoning is flawed.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by funky_monk
Honestly, our midfield is our weakness. Not our forward line (which this thread is about). Want to pick on Freo's midfield, song, whatever... But I think our forward line is pretty solid at the moment.

haven't seen a D's game yet so can't properly comment but the question could be asked if Neitz can carry the Melbourne forward line for the whole year (or will he be needed down back?).

And your quote (sorry about the cut and paste) -

"The point is though it doesn't matter what his "conversion percentage for his career" is, it doesn't matter what you say he will kick next time, what matters is what he has kicked. "

Thank you for your words of wisdom. So I guess that means...
Hawthorn and Port are crap teams for it does not matter what they did last year. It does not matter how good their lists are. It only matter what they have done.

Thanks Obi-wan but I think your reasoning is flawed.

Can Neitz carry the Dees Forward Line??

Did we forget Ox, Bruce, Green, Vardy etc. You seem to be just like any other Freo supporter on here. Blind.

You go through all your stats and claim this and that, but Freo have never even bothered to make the eight before. You struggle to kick a winning score on a weekly basis, and that is fact. Your backline is a joke, your midfield is soft and your forward line is chock full of incosistency. Sure, same could be said for Melbourne, but we have backed up with two 100 point games.

Longmuir will struggle against real backmen. Croad won't enjoy being in WA and will come home in 2-3 years. Medhurst will struggle againt goo opponents, Polak plays back (even I know that) and Farmer will play half and half. Who does that leave as your gun forward??? Cunningham??

I think it's time Freo supporters realised that they will struggle BIG TIME in the years to come.

You have only beaten St. Kilda, and by 3 points. Whoopdy do.

 

[MaggieNo20]

Originally posted by kuepper
Prat?

well that certainly out him back in his box - such a harsh call like prat!

If you are going to troll, play with the big boys.

Tell me again how well Schell has been playing, along with Fitzgerald, aint they the forward line saviours?

Fitzy has been playing good

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by CowboyFromHell


Can Neitz carry the Dees Forward Line??

Did we forget Ox, Bruce, Green, Vardy etc. You seem to be just like any other Freo supporter on here. Blind.

You go through all your stats and claim this and that, but Freo have never even bothered to make the eight before. You struggle to kick a winning score on a weekly basis, and that is fact. Your backline is a joke, your midfield is soft and your forward line is chock full of incosistency. Sure, same could be said for Melbourne, but we have backed up with two 100 point games.

Longmuir will struggle against real backmen. Croad won't enjoy being in WA and will come home in 2-3 years. Medhurst will struggle againt goo opponents, Polak plays back (even I know that) and Farmer will play half and half. Who does that leave as your gun forward??? Cunningham??

I think it's time Freo supporters realised that they will struggle BIG TIME in the years to come.

You have only beaten St. Kilda, and by 3 points. Whoopdy do.

How many Freo games have you watched in your life? Even you know Polak plays back!??!! Are you a tool or what?

He was actually a full/ half forward for East fremantle and kicked a lazy 7 goals in his first ever senior game of footy for them. SO GET BACK IN YOUR BOX!

Again I repeat, Vardy and Bizzel. Ask Geelong and Adelaide fans how sad they were to lose those 'consistent' players. Other guys you mentioned may have potential but no more potential than J Lo or Pav. Nietz is still your key and you (and every footy writer in Australia) knows it. Two games don't make a season.

Medhurst is our third maybe fourth best forward (in no particular order, Croad, J Lo, Wiz then Medhurst let alone when Pav plays forward as well) so will get the fourth best defender.
He's smart, quick and plays like a 5ft tall full forward who will dominate a lot of defenders of a similar size. Have you seen him play, and more than 1 game?!?!

Even if Croad wants to go home he'll want to prove a thing or two to Hawthorn and he'll do that at least for the next 3 years in a Freo gernsey. Good for at least an average of 2 goals per game which will be nice.

Funny how Farmer stated on the news tonite that he is looking to play 5-10 minutes per quarter in the midfield and the rest forward. Hardly half and half. I'm sure Jeff will be good for a couple of goals a game (ya think!?).

I never said Freo will make the 8 or that we are going to knock off Brisbane but you can take your Victorian arrogance and shove it.

MIDFIELD IS SOFT! Troy Cook, Peter Bell and Paul Haselby can be called short people, slow, whatever but SOFT! Comedian by trade Cowboy?

Think you are just gonna Freo-bash and have us sit back and take it. Screw you mate. You know NOTHING about Freo and what our players are capable of (except maybe the Wiz that is...).
Your comments prove that.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by funky_monk

Again I repeat, Vardy and Bizzel. Ask Geelong and Adelaide fans how sad they were to lose those 'consistent' players.

You continue to have a go at those two....yet Jeff Farmer is one of the most inconsistent players in the competition!!!

 

[ok.crows]

Again I repeat, Vardy and Bizzel. Ask Geelong and Adelaide fans how sad they were to lose those 'consistent' players.

Actually, Vardy was a good player. He apparently had some personal problems last year, along with injury. Like Rehn, he apparently needed a change of "scene" to get his head right, and looks to be on track for a good and consistent year this year. Good luck to him.

If his "head" had somehow been "right" at Adelaide, Adelaide would love to have been able to keep him on the list.

 

[funky_monk]

Not suggesting Farmers not inconsistent. And in the end the only answer is if Longmuir et. al. stand up (which they haven't done on a consistent basis).

I still claim that everything I posted on this thread was my honest opinion and I am willing to conceed that Melbourne has been going well SO FAR.

But the name of this thread is worst forwrd lines and I'm willing to bet the farm we do not.

But those Melbourne boys sure seem to be taliking mighty confident now. We'll just have to see how it all pans out but there is nothing wrong with getting fired up about your team

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by funky_monk

"The point is though it doesn't matter what his "conversion percentage for his career" is, it doesn't matter what you say he will kick next time, what matters is what he has kicked. "

Thank you for your words of wisdom. So I guess that means...
Hawthorn and Port are crap teams for it does not matter what they did last year. It does not matter how good their lists are. It only matter what they have done.

Thanks Obi-wan but I think your reasoning is flawed.

If you read on I think you will find I stated in my opinion Fremantle will struggle to kick a winning score many times this year. I am not talking about a whole team here, you quoted two player's statistics, are Croad and Longmuir the only 2 players in your forward line? And Farmer "will help" Your reasoning is flawed because you took a sample of two players.

Did every player in your forward line achieve below their career statistics? Vardy kicked 1.4 for us, he could/should have kicked 4.1 does that mean if we had lost I could blame his kicking alone?? Or that he will kick 5 next week because statistics say so? It's a case of put up or shut up.

You also say you haven’t seen a D's game yet, but you seem to have no problem in saying "the question could be asked if Neitz can carry the Melbourne forward line for the whole year (or will he be needed down back?)." Your reasoning is flawed there because you have no idea what you are on about.

And on Hawthorn and Port Adelaide, although I would say they have a good list (I would also say that Fremantle don't...) and if they can't start putting it together on the field then that list will be for nothing.

Want some more reasons? I think your midfield won't be able to feed the forwards enough. I think picking up Simmonds as a number one ruckman was a flawed plan, one that I am happy about.

 

[godees]

Originally posted by funky_monk
Again I repeat, Vardy and Bizzel. Ask Geelong and Adelaide fans how sad they were to lose those 'consistent' players. Other guys you mentioned may have potential but no more potential than J Lo or Pav. Nietz is still your key and you (and every footy writer in Australia) knows it. Two games don't make a season.

Firstly, Daniher is not playing Bizzel forward. He is playing him as a backman and Bizzell shut down Lade (about 10 cm taller than him) who was benched and then Cornes (who only kicked one goal). Probably BOG with 24 possession 10 marks and only one goal kicked on him. And if/when he pinch hits up forward he will not get the first or second best backman but the third and there will be less focus on him by the opposition. That will probably lead to more goals than at Geelong where he was depended on to kick goals.

And Vardy was a bargain as a swap for pick 50-something (which was actually used to pick up Medhurst) and also played a great game on Sunday. Unfortunately he was inaccurate but with a few games I'm sure the accuracy will come. With 17 posessions and 1 goal 4 behinds, he looks like a good pick up. Oh and looks like okcrows was sad to lose him.

Neitz is most definately not our key. Our key is our midfield. Last year the midfield did not perform and our forwards just didn't have enough supply to win games. HOwever, this year the midfeild is firing and Neitz is taking advantage, along with others, of the ample supply. Also, in the Demon magazine we got earlier this year, it talked about how the forwards actually kicked nearly the same amount of goals as they kicked in 2000 but it was the midfielders who didn't kick nearly as many and that cost us. And now with our midfield back on track, so are we.
These are the goal kickers in our first 2 games:
Forwards:
Neitz - 9 goals (5 v Hawks, 4 v Port)
Green - 5 (3,2)
Bruce - 3 (0,3)
Schwarz - 1 (1,0)
Robertson - 1 (1,0)
Vardy - 1 (didn't play,1)
Midfielders:
Powell - 3 (2,1)
Leoncelli - 3 (1,2)
Yze - 3 (2,1)
Johnstone - 2 (1,1)
A McDonald - 1 (0,1)
Armstrong - 1 (1,0)
J McDonald - 1 (1,0)
Brown - 1 (1,0)
Whelan - 1 (1,0)

Total - 36 (20,16)
Forwards - 20 (10,10)
Midfielders - 16 (10,6)

 

[Deestroy]

"Think you are just gonna Freo-bash and have us sit back and take it. Screw you mate. You know NOTHING about Freo and what our players are capable of (except maybe the Wiz that is...).
Your comments prove that."
If this is all true, the same can be said for you Melbourne (although it seems you know even less...), what goes around comes around, mate.

"But those Melbourne boys sure seem to be taliking mighty confident now."
Confident?? No 2 rounds is not the whole season, it will still be a struggle for us to make the 8, I have no problem admitting that...

"We'll just have to see how it all pans out but there is nothing wrong with getting fired up about your team "
Who's getting fired up about their own team? You say we don't know what we are talking about when we attack Fremantle. Mate you don't know what you are talking about when you attack Melbourne, so in your words " get back in your box"

 

[sammm]

i would've thought that st kilda had the worst forward line this year!!!!

don't you all agree????

 

[Tredders#16]

I would say that at this early stage, after two rounds, Port Adelaide has the worst forward line in the league.

Cornes has 2 for the year (I think)
Tredrea has only one!

Tredders#16

 

[Lockyer24]

crows forward line is crud

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
crows forward line is crud

3rd, Adelaide, 222 points for, 172 points against, 129.1%
11th, Collingwood, 238 points for, 274 points against, 86.9%

No more crudder than Pies forward line on that performance mate!

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by ok.crows
No more crudder than Pies forward line on that performance mate!

Who cares about name players, it's goals that count. That is why I consider the Crows fairly dangerous!

But hey everybody should be in awe of the Woodsman! On current form Brodie Holland will kick 121 goals!!!

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Originally posted by funky_monk


How many Freo games have you watched in your life? Even you know Polak plays back!??!! Are you a tool or what?

He was actually a full/ half forward for East fremantle and kicked a lazy 7 goals in his first ever senior game of footy for them. SO GET BACK IN YOUR BOX!

Again I repeat, Vardy and Bizzel. Ask Geelong and Adelaide fans how sad they were to lose those 'consistent' players. Other guys you mentioned may have potential but no more potential than J Lo or Pav. Nietz is still your key and you (and every footy writer in Australia) knows it. Two games don't make a season.

Medhurst is our third maybe fourth best forward (in no particular order, Croad, J Lo, Wiz then Medhurst let alone when Pav plays forward as well) so will get the fourth best defender.
He's smart, quick and plays like a 5ft tall full forward who will dominate a lot of defenders of a similar size. Have you seen him play, and more than 1 game?!?!

Even if Croad wants to go home he'll want to prove a thing or two to Hawthorn and he'll do that at least for the next 3 years in a Freo gernsey. Good for at least an average of 2 goals per game which will be nice.

Funny how Farmer stated on the news tonite that he is looking to play 5-10 minutes per quarter in the midfield and the rest forward. Hardly half and half. I'm sure Jeff will be good for a couple of goals a game (ya think!?).

I never said Freo will make the 8 or that we are going to knock off Brisbane but you can take your Victorian arrogance and shove it.

MIDFIELD IS SOFT! Troy Cook, Peter Bell and Paul Haselby can be called short people, slow, whatever but SOFT! Comedian by trade Cowboy?

Think you are just gonna Freo-bash and have us sit back and take it. Screw you mate. You know NOTHING about Freo and what our players are capable of (except maybe the Wiz that is...).
Your comments prove that.

What a load of rubbish.

Let me tell you something. I don't care if you know more about Fremantle. I know enough. I have watched many Freo games, as I also have with many other clubs. And I can tell you now, Freo will struggle. Period.

And I think you missed many points of mine, but like most Freo supporters here, that's quite usual.

Like Deestroy said, Neitz is not our key. Our midfield is. If you new anything about Melbourne, you would know that. Your forward line is well below average, but it's fine for you to talk them up. I just can't wait for Melbourne to play you guys.

And we are not arrogant, we are merely stating facts. But if you call it arrogance, then go right ahead.

And about Medhurst, the guy looks like another 3-4 game wonder. Our small defenders could easily account for him. Same for your "gun" talls. Easily accounted for. Sure, you have youth on your side and some have immense potential, but your side still stinks. Bottom four finish for you.

And by the way, stop calling him J-Lo. Freo wear pansy colors already, no need to start giving your players gay nicknames as well.