Restricted Free Agent Zac Bailey

[Dom PC]

The devil is in the detail with the Cameron trade and Bailey is a very good player but hardly comparable to Cameron. If he didn't want to leave then he could have accepted the match and stayed. If Brisbane match then Bailey will stay, there will be no trade as he has stated his preference is to stay.

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Not really. If Cameron wanted to he could have stayed at GWS, that's not what happened though. It's a pretty clear cut example and potentially similar scenario here with Bailey.

 

[mighty_lions]

GWS matched and forced Geelong into a trade for Cameron and got three 1st rd picks as a result (and Cameron wasn't desperate to leave GWS). Precedent for both avenues.

If Bailey goes, the options are to loose him for pick 20 odd via free agency or loose him via trade for a couple of first round picks... pretty obvious what Brisbane will be fighting tooth an nail to ensure happens.

This is not the same, Jeremy Cameron didn’t go for more money

 

[Dom PC]

This is not the same, Jeremy Cameron didn’t go for more money

Cameron went for money and family, among other reasons.

Bailey is the same boat, he'll go for money and family, among other reasons.

No scenario is ever identical. But this scenario is similar... if money was the only consideration for Bailey, he would have already re-signed for less with Brisbane for $1.1m per year.

 

[JasRulz63]

If Zac goes to the Crows he would be their highest paid player, yet I doubt Dawson, Thilthorpe or Rankine are going to be all upset at the club. They know the inclusion of a player like Zac makes the team better, and brings them closer to ultimate success.

Rankine and Thilthorpe have contracts that expire in 2027 and 2028. I doubt Bailey will be Adelaide's highest paid player after those contract negotiations are done (and rightly so).

 

[mpal6]

If Brisbane can afford to match an RFA deal, then he will just stay at Brisbane.

Imbeciles like Cleary have podcasts talking about trading and list management, and have no idea what they are talking about. Even when it isn't that complicated.

The devil is in the detail with the Cameron trade and Bailey is a very good player but hardly comparable to Cameron. If he didn't want to leave then he could have accepted the match and stayed. If Brisbane match then Bailey will stay, there will be no trade as he has stated his preference is to stay.

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I'm not so sure about him staying that late in the decision making. If his mind is made up about leaving by then, he'll follow through on that in my view. Just comes down to how convincing Adelaide pitch is and the how sold he's on the idea of moving closer to family.

No different to Ah Chee at that point. Remember we are not showing the cash until the point of matching the offer in trade window, lot of moves would've happened by then for Bailey like looking at where to live in Adelaide, selling stuff etc. At least Ah Chee was doing things like that starting from second half of the season based on news articles that came out later.

 

[mighty_lions]

Cameron went for money and family, among other reasons.

Bailey is the same boat, he'll go for money and family, among other reasons.

No scenario is ever identical. But this scenario is similar... if money was the only consideration for Bailey, he would have already re-signed for less with Brisbane for $1.1m per year.

he didnt go for money, Geelong didnt offer him more money than gws, its a completely different scenario, theres no example of a club matching a bid offering more than what they offered

 

[Tom14]

he didnt go for money, Geelong didnt offer him more money than gws, its a completely different scenario, theres no example of a club matching a bid offering more than what they offered

Correct, GEELONG did not offer him more money.

Jezza just managed to get a terrific deal on a farm and the cost of living is so much lower down there compared with Sydney!

 

[mighty_lions]

Correct, GEELONG did not offer him more money.

Jezza just managed to get a terrific deal on a farm and the cost of living is so much lower down there compared with Sydney!

it was reported the gws contract was 750 and Geelong 900, I dont believe that or gws just completely low balled and then matched which makes no sense

 

[Tom14]

it was reported the gws contract was 750 and Geelong 900, I dont believe that or gws just completely low balled and then matched which makes no sense

They lost Zac Williams and Aidan Corr in the FA period which would have cleared a lot of room.

You can always create room to match if you really want to by moving other contact payments around, and I don't know that the AFL actually requires a heap of proof of exactly how you will match at the time you elect to do so.

 

[Dom PC]

he didnt go for money, Geelong didnt offer him more money than gws, its a completely different scenario, theres no example of a club matching a bid offering more than what they offered

That's very naive if you think money wasn't a factor in Cameron going to Geelong. Just have to agree to disagree here.

You'll never find a scenario that is exactly the same for any player movement... the Cameron to Geelong situation is very similar to Bailey however. Not sure how you cannot see the parallels.

The only way Brisbane don't consider matching imo would be if Bailey is offered $1.5m+ per year. But finding an extra couple 100k to match a deal that's $1.4m a year to force a trade? I think Brisbane will very strongly consider that worth matching to get a top 10 pick plus change.

 

[ABAB]

That's very naive if you think money wasn't a factor in Cameron going to Geelong. Just have to agree to disagree here.

You'll never find a scenario that is exactly the same for any player movement... the Cameron to Geelong situation is very similar to Bailey however. Not sure how you cannot see the parallels.

The only way Brisbane don't consider matching imo would be if Bailey is offered $1.5m+ per year. But finding an extra couple 100k to match a deal that's $1.4m a year to force a trade? I think Brisbane will very strongly consider that worth matching to get a top 10 pick plus change.

Then Bailey will stay. Cameron never wanted to stay, Dangerfield never wanted to stay. That's the difference, the whole point of FA is so a club offers over so they don't loss any trade capital. You guys did this with Allen and Draper last year.

 

[mighty_lions]

That's very naive if you think money wasn't a factor in Cameron going to Geelong. Just have to agree to disagree here.

You'll never find a scenario that is exactly the same for any player movement... the Cameron to Geelong situation is very similar to Bailey however. Not sure how you cannot see the parallels.

The only way Brisbane don't consider matching imo would be if Bailey is offered $1.5m+ per year. But finding an extra couple 100k to match a deal that's $1.4m a year to force a trade? I think Brisbane will very strongly consider that worth matching to get a top 10 pick plus change.

they aren't going to match 1.4mill, they aren't going to offer 1.1 and then magically match 1.4

 

[Dom PC]

they aren't going to match 1.4mill, they aren't going to offer 1.1 and then magically match 1.4

To force a trade? Yeah, there is a real possibility of that. There is history of clubs both matching or threatening to match to force a trade.

Then Bailey will stay. Cameron never wanted to stay, Dangerfield never wanted to stay. That's the difference, the whole point of FA is so a club offers over so they don't loss any trade capital. You guys did this with Allen and Draper last year.

Bailey won't stay if he has other reasons for leaving Brisbane, even if Brisbane match.


You guys genuinely thinking Brisbane will just sit on its hands and lose a 26 year old (likely) 2x AA player for pick 20 and not try and force a trade is just bizarre. Particularly with there being repeated history of clubs either matching or threatening to match, in order to force a trade due to the FA compo not being good enough.

 

[ABAB]

To force a trade? Yeah, there is a real possibility of that. There is history of clubs both matching or threatening to match to force a trade.

Bailey won't stay if he has other reasons for leaving Brisbane, even if Brisbane match.


You guys genuinely thinking Brisbane will just sit on its hands and lose a 26 year old (likely) 2x AA player for pick 20 and not try and force a trade is just bizarre. Particularly with there being repeated history of clubs either matching or threatening to match, in order to force a trade due to the FA compo not being good enough.

The only players who got matched were Dangerfield and Cameron and neither wanted to stay so there was a trade. Bailey is different, he wants to stay.

 

[Dom PC]

The only players who got matched were Dangerfield and Cameron and neither wanted to stay so there was a trade. Bailey is different, he wants to stay.

If Bailey wants to stay, he will re-sign with Brisbane. I guess we will find out what the truth is by the end of this season.

 

[mighty_lions]

To force a trade? Yeah, there is a real possibility of that. There is history of clubs both matching or threatening to match to force a trade.

Bailey won't stay if he has other reasons for leaving Brisbane, even if Brisbane match.


You guys genuinely thinking Brisbane will just sit on its hands and lose a 26 year old (likely) 2x AA player for pick 20 and not try and force a trade is just bizarre. Particularly with there being repeated history of clubs either matching or threatening to match, in order to force a trade due to the FA compo not being good enough.

the club doesnt want to pay him 1.4million so yes they will be sitting on there hands, this is the whole argument about st Kilda

You are being emotional about it, same for west coast supporters last year when they tried to claim if they didn't get compo pick 2 they would match, no they wouldnt of, they didnt offer anywhere near what we did

Obviously it will suck if we lose Bailey for basically nothing but thats free agency

 

[ABAB]

If Bailey wants to stay, he will re-sign with Brisbane. I guess we will find out what the truth is by the end of this season.

He has publicly stated his preference is to stay but wants the amount he is looking for so if Brisbane match the other club's offer then he will stay as this is the max amount being offered.

 

[mpal6]

they aren't going to match 1.4mill, they aren't going to offer 1.1 and then magically match 1.4

We can, considering we're also waiting on Neale's decision.
If Neale decides to go be near kids, I'm sure he'll be on more than that 300k you're highlighting as difference.

 

[Dom PC]

the club doesnt want to pay him 1.4million so yes they will be sitting on there hands, this is the whole argument about st Kilda

You are being emotional about it, same for west coast supporters last year when they tried to claim if they didn't get compo pick 2 they would match, no they wouldnt of, they didnt offer anywhere near what we did

Obviously it will suck if we lose Bailey for basically nothing but thats free agency

I've never said Brisbane wants to pay Zac $1.4m a year... and I disagree, Brisbane won't be sitting on their hands if there are options for the club to leverage a better result.

You're being naive again if you don't think WCE position on the FA compo didn't influence the contract offer we gave to Allen.

Restricted Free Agency is a different ball game to Unrestricted Free Agency.

You'll just have to agree to disagree and wait and see...

 

[mighty_lions]

We can, considering we're also waiting on Neale's decision.
If Neale decides to go be near kids, I'm sure he'll be on more than that 300k you're highlighting as difference.

Its not that we couldn't with the money, its the fact we dont want to pay 1 player 1.4million

 

[ABAB]

Its not that we couldn't with the money, its the fact we dont want to pay 1 player 1.4million

Brisbane just spent heavily last year with $1.7M for 6 years.

 

[mighty_lions]

Brisbane just spent heavily last year with $1.7M for 6 years.

what

 

[mpal6]

Its not that we couldn't with the money, its the fact we dont want to pay 1 player 1.4million

Nah I was answering a question of whether we'll have the money to match, which we will at some point depending on Neale.

I've already stated my opinion that Lions coming to table that late with the $ wouldn't change Bailey's decision. He'd be set on leaving by then and prepping for it already just like Ah Chee did.

 

[ABAB]

what

Allen on $900K and Draper on $800K, both sign for 6 years didn't they????

 

[ABAB]

Nah I was answering a question of whether we'll have the money to match, which we will at some point depending on Neale.

I've already stated my opinion that Lions coming to table that late with the $ wouldn't change Bailey's decision. He'd be set on leaving by then and prepping for it already just like Ah Chee did.

Ah Chee never said he wanted to stay, unlike Bailey.