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Did I ever say that the rounding up of Palestinians in order to gas them was the reason for the similarities between Israel and the Nazis? Nice straw man and lie.
If the alert systems of Israel were so good then they would eliminate and prevent much of the troubles their forces have caused.
I don't discount the terrible things that Hamas have done, however it is clear that there is one party who was and is clearly exacerbating situations through their own actions and then trying to blame others for it and as if they are the bad guys. And guess what they are not Israeli.
Good to see that you are quick to try and turn the table back onto what Hamas is doing as if they are the bad ones and Israel is not innocent.
Hey you can stay on your high horse about Israel's moral superiority all you like and your own too for that fact when it is clear you are a bigot and absolutely interested only in blaming hamas.
Once again Israel has proved itself to be a terrorist state. How can a country that lays claim to being westernised and believing in democracy see fit that it is a fair punishment to destroy homes of accused terrorists making their families homeless. One terrorist act does not justify another and only proves that you are no better than them. But yet we as a country defend Israel's ability to act in a terrorist manner.
So why doesn't the Israeli government destroy the homes of settlers who kill Palestinians?its a pretty strong deterrent. no life is worth less than the house of a terrorist and their family should openly be discouraging acts of terrorism full knowing that not only are they going to lose their house should they be found out but more importantly they are taking the lives of innocents.
you know what though, maybe these terrorists and their families value the murder of jews/Israelis/western cultures above their own home though. shame.
The growing criticism of the Israeli government is the result of a long campaign of ethnic cleansing wherein land is taken away from Palestinians to build “Jews only” homes. When a country announces that it will be a sectarian state based on the religious values of one religion – history shows that does not end well. The new “anti-terror bill,” proposed by Prime Minister Benjamin Neyanyahu last Sunday, would do the following if passed according to Ynet – one of Israel’s largest news sources:
- Anyone deemed to be a “terrorist” will be stripped of their citizenship and deported, including family members of those terrorists who claim support for them.
- Anyone displaying the Palestinian flag or other flags deemed “terroristic” will be arrested and held without bail until trial.
- If convicted of “terrorism” or “supporting terrorism” you will be denied national insurance benefits and lose your driver’s license for 10 years.
- The homes of accused terrorists’ families will be demolished within 24 hours of the terrorist act.
- Bodies of terrorists will not be delivered to their families, and will be buried in secret, without funeral rites.
- Businesses that print anything supportive of “terrorism” will be immediately shut down.
- Businesses can request a file on an employee and fire them for actions committed, even previous to their employment, that are deemed to be in support of “terrorism.”
Surely everyone on the board would condemn this attack on a Hand in Hand school.
http://www.handinhandk12.org/
Yep can't imagine why anyone would want to think that is intelligent behaviour.
Looks to be the calling card of mindless bigots attacking and trying to destroy a worthwhile gutsy attempt at making reconciliation a meaningful option.
Could you explain the Israeli states right to exist in a short paragraph for me?You you can easily be a non-lefty while acknowledging Israel's right to exist but condemn their brutal oppression of the Palestinian people.
Could you explain the Israeli states right to exist in a short paragraph for me?
No state has a fundamental right to exist. I know the history of the area and I know the injustices for the people that were displaced. But there is no going back in terms of Israel's existence. Israel has a population that advocates its statehood and is willing to defend it, it has a democratic government that presides over the state, and it is recognised as a state by nearly all other states across the world. That's about as good as you get.
Recognising Israel's right to exist does not mean acceptance of any particular border claims or what form an Israeli state should take. Reparations for previous ethnic upheavals could occur. But it is unrealistic and counter-productive to start with an assumption that the state of Israel should not continue to exist.
Both sides can GAGF. Evacuate the kids and the people who legitimately just want peace and are not interested in killing the other side. Then bomb the crap out of the place until all the angry people are dead. Then rebuild it and move the kids and peace lovers back in to live together in harmony forever and ever.
No state has a fundamental right to exist. I know the history of the area and I know the injustices for the people that were displaced. But there is no going back in terms of Israel's existence. Israel has a population that advocates its statehood and is willing to defend it, it has a democratic government that presides over the state, and it is recognised as a state by nearly all other states across the world. That's about as good as you get.
Recognising Israel's right to exist does not mean acceptance of any particular border claims or what form an Israeli state should take. Reparations for previous ethnic upheavals could occur. But it is unrealistic and counter-productive to start with an assumption that the state of Israel should not continue to exist.
Easier to just hire a crew hitman to rub out the war mongerers. Say a 4-5 thousand in Israel and palestine and 3-4 hundred in America
Ha, really depends on which end of the US supplied missile you're on....
It is easy for you to make this statement because you lost nothing, invested nothing and suffer nothing. You take a solely disaffected intellectual standpoint which is the only standpoint which realistically allows to you hold the views you do.
This is exactly why so many, genuinely, do not understand why the Palestinians continue to fight for what was theirs and will probably continue to until the current glacial genocide sees them wiped out through attrition.
Palestine was a convenient dumping ground for European Jews the victorious did not want in there countries, which was sadly never discussed with the current landlords.
Sure they're pissed.
If the Russians deposited a million or so Ukrainians in the middle of Victoria, WA or Queensland and called it a sovereign state....
Well who would be squealing loudest?
Yes I know it was mooted to set-up a Jewish state in WA.
Could you imagine the outcry from the Fremantle crowd on BF?
Exactly right. I find it odd that many of those who accept that the decimation of the indigenous populations of Australia and America seem to not recognise that likewise there were original inhabitants of the land that is now Israel who have been dispossessed and slowly being wiped out. If we accept imperialism was wrong in the 18th/19th century, we should accept it likewise today.
A good article on the plight of Palestinians and the comparisons with the plight of the Tasmanian Aboriginals: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/when-settlers-dream/
And yet for some reason we don't see the media calling on the US or Australia to surrender territory to their indigenous populations.
I find it amazing how little criticism the Egyptians are receiving for their role in the strangling of Gaza.
Under ideal circumstances that's what it should've been, but a primary motivator behind setting up Israel was to specifically protect Jews from persecution. That involved the foundation of a uniquely Jewish state, because as evidenced by the Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in recent history (and most of Europe before that), large secular governments had a tendency to devolve into antisemitism.
Yeah, I agree that the Jewish People have indeed got the shitty end of the stick several times over the course of history. I agree that they need a space free from persecution. But I believe that space is Earth - the whole planet. Not just one tiny nation of Israel, the creation of which displaced a multitude of people already living there.
The Jewish Homeland is Earth.
The Christian Homeland is Earth.
The Islamic Homeland is Earth.
The sooner ethno-religious supremacists of all stripes realise that we've only got one world to share amongst us all, and that only through peaceful co-existence do we all benefit, the better.
Maybe because the Arabs instigated it? "The nasty israelis are bombing us when we fired rockets at them in the first place".
I will support Israel, end of discussion. I do not have the time or energy to argue with you, as I am in poor health at the moment. I am not rendering your argument invalid, but there is more to the story that I haven't the energy to delve into. We'll have to agree to disagree. All I will say is this: I will always support a Jewish nation over an Islamic one. In fact, I would support any nation against an islamic one.
This short video sums it up.Do you have any links to stuff to read about this? And further, other countries involvement and motivation in Gaza?
And why did the Palestinians fire rockets in the first place?