Judd won a brownlow at carlton.
He hasn't won a premiership at Carlton which was the point of my post
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Judd won a brownlow at carlton.
There's no doubt that Hodge's status in the game has benefited immensely from the success he's achieved whilst at Hawthorn. There's also a lot of merit to the suggestion that playing in a very successful side has made him a much better player.I agree Hodge is a HOF lock, but one does wonder. I mean, I wouldn't have been thinking that after 2012 and he's not exactly set the world on fire as a player in that time. I suspect he'll get his HOF nod more on the basis of his premiership captaincy and NS medals than on career performance. Which is perfectly fine, so long as one isn't mistaken with the other.
And I'd add that a reason for Hawthorn's success in recent seasons is that they are very even right across the 22 - Hawks supporters should be celebrating this rather than deifying a player who hasn't earned that right.
Yeah I guess the most frustrating thing about this thread is the abuse by Hodge fans of intangible attributes like leadership as evidence that he is a better player than Judd. The reality is that Judd crushes Hodge in almost every individual statistic. Hodge supporters also seem to forget that Judd also is a premiership captain and norm smith medalist who many Carlton supporters would regard as one of the clubs great captains.I think a couple of things are at play here. Firstly his leadership is outstanding, so in a successful era you couldn't help but love a bloke who leads your team to flags. But also he was under question as a no.1 pick in his early career and I think this has stuck with Hawk fans, resulting in them feeling the need to push the guy they love so much up higher than his actual level to compensate for the early criticisms in having missed out on a player like Judd.
I don't get the need myself. He's a great captain, a great player, why not just appreciate who and what he is. I mean, Sticks was a champion CHF for Carlton, an amazing big game player and one of the best captains the league has seen, but I don't feel the need to claim him as being as good a player as Carey.
Not really; Hodge isn't a player that I worry about tearing my team apart. Even at this stage I'd be more worried about Judd putting the team on his back and putting in a match winning performance. Of course part of that is Hawthorn being a much better all round unit, but it's also because Judd is a more dangerous player.Especially when it's Essendon.
45% of people on a poll in the age would have picked Hodge in hindsight. This poll is not far from that.
But please, don't ever think Judd was a leader of men like Hodge was. That myth went out the door when Fevola had him in a headlock giving him noogie's like he was a 7 year old child on national TV.
Jesus h Christ, choose Judd all you want - no ******* worries at all. But this ******* attempt to write down Hodge to nothing more than a good ordinary player who happened to get lucky to lead a great team and just happened to snag a few normies on top of doing not much else.
Yup. And we all heard how Jono Brown, a leader of men, would set Fev on the straight and narrow too. How did Hodge go with young Garlett btw?
People seem to be getting a lot of different ideas confused in this thread.
Many of the people that picked Hodge do not necessarily believe he has been the better player over his career - because that is not the question. .
This paragraph does you absolutely no favors.- Your whole Hodge Is a "great" player thing. This is a not so subtle, personal favorite of yours. Hodge is not a "great" player. Chance Bateman was a great player. Hodge is in the top 30 of his Generation, a future hall of famer and one of the best finals players of all time. His accolades speak for themselves, regardless of Judd, and your not so subtle attempts to down play them just lowers your credibility as a poster.
This paragraph does you absolutely no favors.
First, lol Chance Bateman.
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Jeff Garlett was probably the best small forward in the comp at one point. Your definition of a great player is very generous. IMO if you're top 30 in your generation then you'd scrape in as a great footballer.Why Lol?
Chance bateman was a great player. Probably the best wingman in the comp in 2008.
No where near Hodge or Judd, but he was a great player.
The following however Is absurd.
- Your whole Hodge Is a "great" player thing.
45% are hawks supportersIf you end up in your clubs team of the century , and the afl hall of fame (both which Hodge will) you are an "elite" player. No ifs, no buts.
45% of people pick Hodge.
Possibly, doubt we would have won 08 in they were in place of Hodge but we may have won 2012Question Hawthorn Supporters. If you substituted Hodge for Judd or Voss, would you still have won the 3 premierships?
There's no doubt that Hodge's status in the game has benefited immensely from the success he's achieved whilst at Hawthorn. There's also a lot of merit to the suggestion that playing in a very successful side has made him a much better player.
I often wonder if the shoe were on the other foot, and Hodge played the last 7-8 years at Carlton, how he would have performed. The answer to me is pretty simple - nowhere near as well as Judd has.
Question Hawthorn Supporters. If you substituted Hodge for Judd or Voss, would you still have won the 3 premierships?
He hasn't won a premiership at Carlton which was the point of my post
Question Hawthorn Supporters. If you substituted Hodge for Judd or Voss, would you still have won the 3 premierships?