If anyone was considering Baily Rice ( personally i thought there were too many in front of him ) he now has glandular fever.
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Duryea i reckon will average more... in my side tooWho do people think will average the most points out of T Duryea or S Docherty? I currently have Duryea in my team.
Purely depends on roleWho do people think will average the most points out of T Duryea or S Docherty? I currently have Duryea in my team.
Never been a huge stat getter. He's more of a lock down defender than a rebounding defender and he handballs the ball far to often.how do essendon people - and Richmond - see matt dea as a defender option?
That's the most stupid comment I might have ever heard. TAC Cup scoring really means nothing'! So we should completely disregard Jade Gresham scoring 125+ for his first 7 games? Ryan Clarke's massive 190 score amongst totals of 144 and 153 weeks before and after? Nick O'Kearney's remarkable consistency; his lowest score was 82, with only 3 games below 100? Tom Phillips' incredible 5-week run of 133, 126, 146, 189, 163? I have an entire database of TAC Cup averages to go on from, and I can tell you right now that TAC Cup form means an absolute bucketload towards a player's scoring potential in the AFL. I haven't seen you quote a single correct player average to back up any of your points about Francis. To be honest, you can go ahead and pick him and come back to me after 5 rounds when you've traded him because he's been thrown in the deep end, averaging >60 because he's too short to get many intercept marks and homesick (yep). And to everyone on this thread, Aaron Francis is a marking machine and has real talent and promise, but people are deluding themselves if they think that a Champs average of 75, upped by one terrific score, is enough to justify Aaron Francis' selection without even glancing over his SANFL stats, AFL Fantasy price and playing role.
But what have any of those guys scored in AFL?
Bit harsh calling someone out for the "most stupid comment" when your own comment has very little substance.
If you want to prove your point that TAC Cup scores translate to AFL scores then you need to look at the last few years, right now we have no idea whether getting 190 in TAC cup match could mean anything!
I think you'll find it's still a lottery, plenty of stat padders and a lot of the big scoring players don't even get recruited.
I wouldn't be choosing rookies based on their TAC Cup scores.
Yes and No .... did that help the conversation ha
Alot of the best stat getters in U18's if they make it at AFL level become big ball magnets there (See Prestia, see rockliff)
However then you have Ablett and Fyfe arguably the 2 best players in the game right now - well not arguable. They are. Both wernt big ball magnets at TAC level as they were forwards and now are premium midfielders at AFL level.
So its hard to say. I remember Howlett a year or 2 ago when he was playing for Essendon really struggling was getting 7-10 possessions a game mainly as a midfielder, half forward. Then finally Hirdy dropped him and in the VFL he got 40 disposals - straight back into the AFL he went and still he went at teen disposal rates. Its a vastly different quality whether people like that or not. AFLs a big step up. However some are better suited to making it then others (ie: Barlow. Ball magnet at VFL and translated like that in AFL. See Magner ball magnet in VFL didnt translate in AFL for Melbourne.
Its a hard one. I think for rookies scoring in U18 level is a bit the same. I dont think Heppell was the biggest ball winner at TAC but his first year i think he avg over 80 as a defender off half back. It more depends on opportunity, role, time and many different variables such as confidence, feeling apart of it in the team group ect
NAB cup tells all
Alright, fair enough, and maybe I was a little aggressive with that last reply, however the point I was trying to make is that the guys who I am positive will get games playing roles with suit their fantasy scoring are the ones that you need to do some research on. It's difficult to explain how I know what roles certain players will be playing, but it's a combination of many facets of their game styles and something that I only know because I've spent the whole of 2015 following these draftees around.But what have any of those guys scored in AFL?
Bit harsh calling someone out for the "most stupid comment" when your own comment has very little substance.
If you want to prove your point that TAC Cup scores translate to AFL scores then you need to look at the last few years, right now we have no idea whether getting 190 in TAC cup match could mean anything!
I think you'll find it's still a lottery, plenty of stat padders and a lot of the big scoring players don't even get recruited.
I wouldn't be choosing rookies based on their TAC Cup scores.
By the way, actually watch out for Matthew Allen in the future once he bulks up a bit. Those stats aren't a fluke, despite their unlikelihood of being repeated, to that extent, in the AFL.Yep, I've always picked my rookies off NAB form & training reports and its worked well.
I do like looking up the stats of TAC Cup, SANFL etc. though. But don't think it means a lot.
Eg. Our boy Matt Allen averages nearly 130 from 5 games, kicking 5 goals a game with 20 touches and 10 marks... That ain't happening at AFL Level
Alright, fair enough, and maybe I was a little aggressive with that last reply, however the point I was trying to make is that the guys who I am positive will get games playing roles with suit their fantasy scoring are the ones that you need to do some research on. It's difficult to explain how I know what roles certain players will be playing, but it's a combination of many facets of their game styles and something that I only know because I've spent the whole of 2015 following these draftees around.
I'm not going to go around blowing my mouth off at people who think that, for example, Kurt Mutimer's TAC Cup scores may not be completely indicative of his Fantasy worth (again, check his U18 stats) but for those who say quite shallow, generalised comments about how the U18 competitions are meaningless towards Fantasy prospects you can find my rookie guide and tell me that there aren't patterns that emerge from the top-flight ball winners and Fantasy scorers, that have been recently drafted.
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2016/01/27/2016-fantasy-draftee-guide/ - my rookie guide, in a different thread in the AFL Fantasy forum.
Alright, fair enough, and maybe I was a little aggressive with that last reply, however the point I was trying to make is that the guys who I am positive will get games playing roles with suit their fantasy scoring are the ones that you need to do some research on. It's difficult to explain how I know what roles certain players will be playing, but it's a combination of many facets of their game styles and something that I only know because I've spent the whole of 2015 following these draftees around.
I'm not going to go around blowing my mouth off at people who think that, for example, Kurt Mutimer's TAC Cup scores may not be completely indicative of his Fantasy worth (again, check his U18 stats) but for those who say quite shallow, generalised comments about how the U18 competitions are meaningless towards Fantasy prospects you can find my rookie guide and tell me that there aren't patterns that emerge from the top-flight ball winners and Fantasy scorers, that have been recently drafted.
http://dreamteamtalk.com/2016/01/27/2016-fantasy-draftee-guide/ - my rookie guide, in a different thread in the AFL Fantasy forum.
Also look at someone like M.Brown in the VFL last year. He dominated and was a fantasy relavent player but in the AFL because of Essendons list will be a KPD.
How are is VFL scores fantasy relavent when he will be played in a different position this year against better players?
He played key position/3rd tall in VFL aswell though, but 70% forward 30% back.
He wouldve played 3rd tall forward had there been no bans.3rd tall and 70% forward. Not what he will play in the AFL
He wouldve played 3rd tall forward had there been no bans.
he will play 2nd/3rd tall defender
If he got a game.
If he is third, who are your 1st and 2nd KPD defenders? I would have thought last year Hurley, Hooker then carslisle. This year, who are the 2 above Brown?
I am genuinely interested because if he was the 3rd defender I would select him. As a KPD I dont think he would be worth it. so the difference between 3rd tall verse KPD is quite large in my opinion.
Yep so we wouldve lined up with Hurley, Hooker and Brown fown back or gone Daniher, Mckernan and Brown up forward probably the latter most likely hes better than Ambrose.
Hartley and Gwilt. Its a mix up between what Gwilt and Brown do. Gwilts played on gorillas before with up and down success
Gwilt is 188 tall . I have watched in horror as my team made him line up on Gorilla'sYep so we wouldve lined up with Hurley, Hooker and Brown fown back or gone Daniher, Mckernan and Brown up forward probably the latter most likely hes better than Ambrose.
Hartley and Gwilt. Its a mix up between what Gwilt and Brown do. Gwilts played on gorillas before with up and down success
Unfortunatly we arent in a position to do much else. Gwilt is a limited player. He really wouldnt be that much smaller than Gibson would he? maybe afew cms max. Remember Campbell brown taking key forwards at 177? Hodge has done it before but more ruckmen which isee as different.Gwilt is 188 tall . I have watched in horror as my team made him line up on Gorilla's
Unfortunatly we arent in a position to do much else. Gwilt is a limited player. He really wouldnt be that much smaller than Gibson would he? maybe afew cms max. Remember Campbell brown taking key forwards at 177? Hodge has done it before but more ruckmen which isee as different.
Look at what Sheppard, Hurn, Wellingham and co did last year.
The evolution of the game could actually suit Gwilt. As long as you can hold ground, spoil well and be determined and dedicated to stick close to someone the game now clogs up really quickly the ball isnt as easily moved forward and teams clog that back 50 up quick. See why Cloke and Hawkins have dropped in the last 2-3 years they no longer are 1 vs 1 deep always have a clogged 50 all defenders helping against them as the ball is stiffled through movement up ahead.