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Discussion in 'Geelong - Total Footy' started by SJ, Jan 9, 2012.
Agreed...I thought it was quite astute
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Hunt diidn't do well against Garlett last time although remember that was the game he was rushed back far too quickly from his knee injury. I'm confident he would do better this time around.
That said they seem to be using him as a mid tagger so he might be more likely for Judd or Murphy than the small forwards.
I would think Enright will need to do a job on Betts or Garlett and Josh Hunt or Mackie might be part of that too.
Would be useful to have Wojo back by then too, I know he won't play as a lockdown defender on Betts or Garlett but his run and carry would be really useful against such a quick side.
I'd be thinking Boris on Betts, I think he is probably just a touch better as a one-on-one defender and at spoiling contests.
Very keen to see Taylor on Judd after his performance on Mitchell last week.
Talking up Carlton as flag favourites at this stage is just ludicrous I think.
Very impressive tonight, I'm not taking anything away from their performance, but they still have big challenges ahead of them.
Geelong, Hawthorn, West Coast and I suppose you could even throw Freo in Perth in that mix.
Top 4 I think, probably 3rd.
Carlton does worry me with their small forwards and obviously the midfield is very strong, but I think we can handle Waite and feel that we have the edge up forward as well.
Should be a great game when we come up against them.
Waite is better than average bobby...humiliated Harry Taylor last year and shouldn't be underrated.
As clean a pair of hands as you will see.
Did you not rate Collingwood when they led us by 15 goals in a Prelim Final? I did.
Carlton are a serious threat with pace to burn and a flexible forward line. They have given us some problems for a while now and they are obviously a much better side in 2012. Not much point worrying about it now, we have a big job on our hands getting into the top 4. Worry about opposition then.
Just remember Carlton have to win at least two finals in a row to make a Grand Final. Something they haven't done since 1999.
Means nothing. We hadnt won two finals in a row since 95 before our 2007 premiership win. Carlton have been pushing for a few years now. Have been a tad unlucky in finals and they've been good against us for a past few seasons. This will definitely be their breakout season I feel and I actually picked them to finish the home and away season on top.
Really Bobby...you have a short memory. By your own reckoning if he takes 6 marks against us and kicks three goals he is better than you thought. Well he is better than you think, and played very well again tonight against the Pies.
15 kicks 2 handballs 10 marks 3 goals.....but hey that was only against one Grand finalist from 2011........
Lets look at the last time Waite played against us.....
Geelong 15.12.102 def Carlton 14.16.100
Waite...18 kicks 2 handballs 11 marks 2 goals.
That will do very nicely for a KPF thank you very much.
Left Harry Taylor in his wake that night, I suggest you take another look at that game. Waite was superb and nearly got them over the line.
Waite can hurt us....he's a fine player.
PS: His injuries and suspensions (probably due to blood lines!!) have kept him under the radar. IF he keeps his fitness look out for him.
Just going to pick through this a bit Bobby
I know that in a way you're just trying to get across that the Cats are still better. But I think the other posters are saying "dont under estimate Carlto. And I think you are doing that.
We did it last year. How hard and physical were our first 13 games?
What needs to be new about their game plan?
They are actually quite unpredictable. Something Collingwood are not.
The game is based around contested footy.
Let's not forget they beat us in 2010 and should have beaten us last year.
If anything, we are the ones that need to develop to stay ahead of them.
And Kruezer is a definite worry. Not in that he could take over the game. But he does things that are difficult to stop at critical moments.
It's a shame Waite is 29. Because he could really develop an outstanding career record.
But being 29 doesnt stop him having an outstanding 2012
I'd prefer if we had Poodle sit on Murphy, and have Kelly or Corey go head to head with Judd. Murphy's easily their best midfielder now.
Not taking anything away from Carlton,they were very good last night,they got away to a flier in the first 15 minutes which meant we really didn't see them under any sort of pressure and allowed them to play risk and reward football all night.I've seen that brand of footy somewhere else just can't remember where LOL.
Andrew Carrazzo please come home.
Collingwood puts the cue in the rack Melbourne style once they start falling behind.
They just look like they don't have their hearts in it playing under Bucks.
Losing Reid and Ball so early was pretty crucial as well in a game that Carlton was already favourites to win.
With some tough fixtures to come, there's no reason the Pies can't lose 9 or more games this season.
Agree. Murphy is the one to target. His decision making and kicking skills are sublime and will carve up an opponent if given too much space.
Not for one second am I saying they are good enough to win a prelim.
I'm not looking that far ahead. I just think they are pretty good. And will beat most teams.
In fact I saw some things in tight that were very suss. The sort of stuff that wont stand up in a prelim.
Collingwood were very ordinary last night. They had no attack on the ball or the opponent.
I don't think things are sitting at all well with Bucks at the helm.
It almost reminds me of the unrest we had at the end of 2010.
The games I have picked out that they are good chances of losing are:
Rd 8 - Geelong, Rd 9 - Adelaide (AAMI), Rd 13 - West Coast, Rd 15 - Carlton, Rd 16 - Geelong, Rd 17 - Hawthorn, Rd 22 - West Coast (Subiaco)
And who knows along the way.
They really shouldn't drop their next 4 (Port, Essendon, WB, Lions)
Collingwood lost a lot of experience at the end of 2010.
Yes most of those players weren't in the GF side but they still put the pressure on the young guys to play well.
Something they didnt have last year. (and as you know it was the young kids last year that I thought would do the damage)
It's something we're going through now.
Let's hope our coaching and teaching of the kids stops a similar thing from happening to us.
We have a lot of competition for spots. But I hope the intensity is there.
We can already see that Stokes and Byrnes 'may' not be providing the pressure they should.
I did notice that young Sinclair last night look a fair bit out of his depth.
Couldn't stand up in pressure situations and I thought he was a long way behind some of our kids.
Maybe biased but he did seem to struggle.
maybe, but malthouse ALWAYS got the best ouf of middling teams, especially for big games like last night.
Carlton looked rampant against the Pies, a bit like we did in R24. Their style of quick play is dynamic and will worry most sides. How will we go? We have been worried by Carltons pace before but Im not sure we are the same side we were either.
I wonder if Hawthorns game will worry them , the pin point passing?
The one thing I will say. IF Collingwood now slips off the pace , it shows what an awesome group we have at Geelong . In this era of ultra professionalism to be at the top for an extended period beyond a year or two seems to have been beyond most other groups.
Absolutely. Hawks in 2008 implemented the cluster and then got found out 2009. Saints implemented the press in 2009 and got found out in 2011, and weren't the same even in 2010. Pies implemented super-press in 2010 and got found out in 20-- Who knows what the answer will be, but it very much looks like sides have adapted to the Pies playing style now, and we demonstrated that clearly last year.
The style we implemented in 2007 was probably out of date by 2009, but the players are so competitive that they just continued to fight on despite always being on the back foot. And then in 2011 they were professional enough to change their style, accept a new coach, and win the flag. Bravo.
Carlton's current level of defensive pressure all over the ground will savagely chew Hawthorn's 'pin point passing' ball movement up and spit it out in similar fashion to how the Pies were dealing with our handball by the end of 2010.
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