List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Ge3ks]

Rhino has said Hamling's decision is based mostly on getting regular AFL games. Why on Earth would he stay here as depth when he's guaranteed a b22 spot at similar money at another club?

This. I genuinely felt sorry for Joel playing in Peel Thunder's backline. Seeing him directing the other defenders was like watching a person trying to herd cats. Must have been very frustrating for a player of his AFL experience.

 

[Swiggy]

I'd rather 2 years for Hamling than waste a list spot on a spud like ruscoe

Why is ruscoe a spud?

 

[Joao]

Sam McClure saying that he thinks Geelong still have Darcy interest so is a watch for the trade period.

 

[s_wd6]

Sam McClure saying that he thinks Geelong still have Darcy interest so is a watch for the trade period.

Sam McClure

 

[Mags98]

Wait - did you just reply to my reply to your reply?

My goodness man. Go for a walk. Open the windows. Let the sun shine in. Turn off the screen and stop hammering the keys.

Life's short. Get out there.

oh just cop it and stop being so sanctimonious

 

[A New Hope]

What picks would the rumoured players leaving St Kilda get, that could be bundled up for Henry and we could send to the Suns to move up the draft?
Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

, Dougal Howard

20

Dougal Howard

Age

28

Ht

199cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

176.2

3star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

0.6

1star

MG

171.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

, Hunter Clark

11

Hunter Clark

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.9

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

, Nick Coffield, Daniel McKenzie

36

Daniel Mckenzie

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

5.6

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

4.6

2star

HB

8.4

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.0

3star

, Ben Paton, Jimmy Webster

29

Jimmy Webster

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.7

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

288.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

and Jade Gresham

11

Jade Gresham

Age

26

Ht

177cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

are names that are coming up as Ross is expected to have a clean out of his new club.

 

[Joao]

Sam McClure

He's smug as ****, but he's a decent journalist.

To be honest, listening to it made me confident he is staying.

 

[freo_leo29]

Why is ruscoe a spud?

Can't kick, Was a failed forward who was moved to defense but still isn't very good

Pies have a system that made him look not hopeless but if they don't even want him when they are chasing a Howe replacement then it tells the story


Good bloke tho

 

[Joao]

Ruscue seems like a waste of a list spot to me.

 

[s_wd6]

Ruscue seems like a waste of a list spot to me.

Doesn't seem like we have any interest in him anyway.

 

[wakojako]

Anyone know if Chappy has been bulking up? Chappy getting injured over the past few seasons has really sucked. I really want to see what he can do up the field but we will probably need to send him to the backline this season to regain form and confidence.

 

[Purple Suit]

Because he turns 31 two weeks into next season. Which is when he will next be playing a game.

But his age is 30 now, the age he gets put into the AFL's hidden table to figure out a compo if he leaves. His age next year 2 weeks into isn't relevant.

Yeah, Just bf stuff.

Like bf posters care about that, but wont discuss the horrific trades we made.

It's insane, but also a bit funny at the same time.

Why don't you want to discuss the awesome trades we've done though?

 

[s_wd6]

But his age is 30 now, the age he gets put into the AFL's hidden table to figure out a compo if he leaves. His age next year 2 weeks into isn't relevant.


Why don't you want to discuss the awesome trades we've done though?

Age being used in the compo is such a joke lol. McKay getting higher compo because he is 25 before the deadline, when the entire first year of his contract will be based on him as a 26 year old.

 

[One_Wing]

Anyone know if Chappy has been bulking up? Chappy getting injured over the past few seasons has really sucked. I really want to see what he can do up the field but we will probably need to send him to the backline this season to regain form and confidence.

I think his manager said they were going to try him on the wing.

 

[Purple Suit]

Age being used in the compo is such a joke lol. McKay getting higher compo because he is 25 before the deadline, when the entire first year of his contract will be based on him as a 26 year old.

It's not really, younger players are worth more to teams and it prevents massive 1-2 year deals to game the system for retiring players. There always has to be a cut off and the simplest thing is to use someone's exact age at the time, not the age they will be on June 1st minus the number of tools in a sidchrome spanner set.

 

[Taylor]

I think the total contract value/average per year/length would be adequate by itself to determine compensation for free agents.

The commitment of the new club to the player represents value and if a club offers a player like Martin $1,400,000 a year for five then Richmond should still get compensated the same as a player 26 years old.

 

[Swiggy]

Can't kick, Was a failed forward who was moved to defense but still isn't very good

Pies have a system that made him look not hopeless but if they don't even want him when they are chasing a Howe replacement then it tells the story
If they are going to leave Chapman back then do see need but If they want to move him up the ground then might need cover

Good bloke tho

If freo are happy to leave Chapman back then more then happy not to get anyone, but if they move him up field they might need another backman

 

[s_wd6]

It's not really, younger players are worth more to teams and it prevents massive 1-2 year deals to game the system for retiring players. There always has to be a cut off and the simplest thing is to use someone's exact age at the time, not the age they will be on June 1st minus the number of tools in a sidchrome spanner set.

I feel like the cut off is a joke though. The most obvious thing has got to be their age when the season starts, or at the very least the age they’ll be turning that year. Using the age that they pass before the first year of their contract even starts makes no sense

 

[Dockeroo]

I think the total contract value/average per year/length would be adequate by itself to determine compensation for free agents.

The commitment of the new club to the player represents value and if a club offers a player like Martin $1,400,000 a year for five then Richmond should still get compensated the same as a player 26 years old.

The vast majority of weighing in the formula is based on the annual average salary of the deal.

 

[DragoDelph]

The vast majority of weighing in the formula is based on the annual average salary of the deal.

Yep. Pretty sure the age is there so the powers that be have can massage the result.

 

[Dockeroo]

Barlow thinks that Shaun Mannagh sits “comfortably” in the best 22 of nearly every club in the league.

I assume 14th place freo fall into that bracket.
So yeah, if we can swap out Hamling at peel for Mannagh at AFL level, that’s a win in my book

 

[Sully90]

Barlow thinks that Shaun Mannagh sits “comfortably” in the best 22 of nearly every club in the league.

I assume 14th place freo fall into that bracket.
So yeah, if we can swap out Hamling at peel for Mannagh at AFL level, that’s a win in my book

Is Mannagh an out and out midfielder, or is he more forward/mid. Asking out of pure curiosity.

 

[Dockeroo]

Is Mannagh an out and out midfielder, or is he more forward/mid. Asking out of pure curiosity.

Sounds like a bit of an outside mid/half forward flanker to me. I’m not actually sure.
He seems to know where the goalposts are anyway which is a good start

 

[Purple Suit]

I feel like the cut off is a joke though. The most obvious thing has got to be their age when the season starts, or at the very least the age they’ll be turning that year. Using the age that they pass before the first year of their contract even starts makes no sense

Their contract starts as soon as they are traded though. McKay will be training for his new club before he turns 26. If they adjusted it to draft year, it would still advantage some and disadvantage others. He was also one of the youngest players in his draft year, competing with kids who could nearly be a year older. It's fair there are some perks to come back.

 

[Taylor]

Any players you want from Essendon or Adelaide to get them more currency to buy Oliver?