The Law Data retention and the surveillance state.

[Sydneyfan]

I take it he's never been a fan of citrus, particularly that grown on settlements. *boom*

 

[Little Big John]

I take it he's never been a fan of citrus, particularly that grown on settlements. *boom*

A particularly acidic juice.

 

[CountryRace]

again with the Jews

New avatar for you

I like juice

Juicw Food, juice women, juice music Etc.

I just find Zionism troubling.

Oy vey

 

[medusala]

meanwhile meaningful data collection like the census is begging yes begging for funding.

Meaningful data? How can anyone who is concerned re surveillance state be in favour of voluntarily giving up information? Madness

 

[Pessimistic]

Meaningful data? How can anyone who is concerned re surveillance state be in favour of voluntarily giving up information? Madness

Well i dont think the census is full of LOL and similar, and its got inbuilt anonimity.

Decades in the future, archivists will see this era as the time we kept everything, but preserved very little of genuine meaning

 

[medusala]

Well i dont think the census is full of LOL and similar, and its got inbuilt anonimity.

No information the government has on you has inbuilt anonymity (its easy to access if you know the right people). Ditto big corporations like Apple.

Surely you don't believe that?

 

[Pessimistic]

No information the government has on you has inbuilt anonymity (its easy to access if you know the right people). Ditto big corporations like Apple.

Surely you don't believe that?

Mine was a fairly mild comment which as nothing to do with where you are trying to take it.

Im not following obviously

 

[Little Big John]

Meaningful data? How can anyone who is concerned re surveillance state be in favour of voluntarily giving up information? Madness

Might have something to do with the voluntarily part.

 

[blackcat]

Snowden Sees Some Victories, From a Distance http://nyti.ms/1JxS5Bu

http://nyti.ms/1JxS5Bu

The posibility of repeal or at least altering the patriot act shows what a positive impact Snowden has had.

Will this stop the NSA or prevent some sly alternative, I don't know.

it wont change a thing. Rand Paul and his filibuster is merely a means to an end, positioning himself for his Republican Primaries and the GOP candidate for POTUS. You will be told things are changing, but this is game theory, on an actionable and practical level, nothing has changed and this NSA surveillance state maintains its push and reach

 

[blackcat]

Democracy doesn't work very well because Mass media plays such a huge role in shaping consensus. It gives the owners a disproortionate amount of political power. One recent example is how Murdoch's press got Cameron over the line in the recent election, and how it facilitated the second Iraq war.

one man one vote is BS re: there is real power in the media to manufacture such consent

 

[awaremind]

one man one vote is BS re: there is real power in the media to manufacture such consent

Exactly. This is a shadow of what a truly popular democracy would be. Obviously what we need to do is get rid of all traditional news media and replace it with news forum's such as we have here. Ha ha

 

[CountryRace]

no, that is not how it went down.

Petraeus was getting much traction as the "Professor" General, and building alot of political momentum. "supposedly" Murdoch says, if you wanna run, I will help, and start the bankroll.

and then Petraeus is just getting a little bit too popular, getting too much credit for the "surge" in Iraq, which was merely paying off insurgents, the shia death squads and mahdi army. It was just a weasel word to tell the western populace watching NBC and MSNBC CBC and ABC. It was BS.

Obama cut him down to size.

as if people did not know he was shagging his biographer. It was not metadata, or even pillowtalk and his biographer emailing Petraeus groupies and telling them to back off.

nope, it was just Obama doing the smackdown.

Meds as much as you h8 Obama, and for good reason, I am in your corner, you could appreciate this smackdown, now, it is something pretty Machiavellian that Bojo could do, if he had to do it, which Bojo would never have to cos no one could possibly cut his rug.
medusala

i was given the PG version it seems

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Oy vey

Ah, that's very funny, very witty, do you do black face when you pretend you're Aboriginal as well?

 

[CountryRace]

Obama Goes Full Stalin: Tells Secret Court To Ignore Law He Signed 4 Hours Earlier, Extend Illegal NSA Surveillance

Obama Goes Full Stalin: Tells Secret Court To Ignore Law He Signed 4 Hours Earlier, Extend Illegal NSA Surveillance(zerohedge.com)

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Just when we thought the absurdity that marks every single day of Obama's reign could not possibly be surpassed, we learned that 4 hours (3 hours and 47 minutes to be precise) after the US president vowed to sign a new law banning bulk data collection by the NSA (named, for purely grotesque reasons, the "USA Freedom Act"), the Obama administration asked the secret Fisa surveillance court to ignore a federal court that found bulk surveillance illegal and to once again grant the National Security Agency the power to collect the phone records of millions of Americans for six months.

Or, as the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman, who spotted this glaring page out of Josef Stalin's playbook, summarized it:

June 2, 6:03pm: Obama says he'll sign law banning bulk collection.
June 2 9:50pm: DOJ asks secret court for 180 more days of bulk collection

— Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman) June 8, 2015

According to Ackerman, this latest travesty by the administration "suggests that the administration may not necessarily comply with any potential court order demanding that the collection stop."

Or, in other words, the administration "may" give orders that openly flaunt US laws. From the Guardian:

US officials confirmed last week that they would ask the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court – better known as the Fisa court, a panel that meets in secret as a step in the surveillance process and thus far has only ever had the government argue before it – to turn the domestic bulk collection spigot back on.



This is a problem because Justice Department national security chief John A Carlin cited a six-month transition period provided in the USA Freedom Act – passed by the Senate last week to ban the bulk collection – as a reason to permit an “orderly transition” of the NSA’s domestic dragnet. However, Carlin "did not address whether the transition clause of the Freedom Act still applies now that a congressional deadlock meant the program shut down on 31 May."

So after the second circuit court of appeals already ruled NSA surveillance illegal, and after Congress officially shut down NSA's bulk data collection in its current form, Obama's DOJ decided to singlehandedly order that NSA spying on Americans be extended for at least another 6 months.