Review Grade your team’s draft

[danster168]

Fox gave us a D+

think a tad harsh.

Mckenzie, Weddle & Hustewaite all seem good prospects.

I have no idea how Fox gave yo a D+? What was the reasoning? I rated Weddle as a first rounder. seems like great value. Hustwaite slid and Mckenzie is a sure bet as you can get.

 

[eth-dog]

I'd say a B.

Tsatas a big win.
Hayes I would have preferred Hustwaite but I'm 50/50 on.
Davey x2 late and no bid on Munkara.

If we take D'Aloia or Szybkowski in the PSD that would be perfect

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Hard to really place the Hawks. I think I'd give us a solid B.

7) Mackenzie - Mid - a balanced mid that plays both the inside inside/outside role and was arguably the best kick in the draft. Certainly the best kick out of the early midfield options at least. Good size, quick and has good athleticism. I think he will fit in perfectly with the players we already have and compliments Newcombe and Ward really well.

We certainly addressed an area of need with this pick.

18) Weddle - Utility/General Def - was the U18 AA FB. At 193cm and 92kg he is a rare athlete, testing in the top range of most categories. Good kick too. Played mid two years ago before moving to the backline and then KPD.

Mitchell said he'd be playing wing/midfield for us. He could be a unique midfield or wing option in the future given his size and athleticism. I think both he and CJ could cause havoc with their pace.

He was a pick based on best talent available - according to Hawks draft board anyway who had him at #10.

GWS were keen and they had the next pick at the time of Sydney's pick.

I don't mind the ambitious trade to get him, especially as we may not have been able to use second rounders next year anyway due to McCabe coming through.

The real question is were our recruiters right in rating him so high?

37) Hustwaite - Mid/HBF/KPD - tall as farq midfielder at 194cm, who is very clean and is a great kick. Also played HBF and KPD. Moves in slow motion, similarly to Pendles/Dal Santo/Mitchell.

He was rated as an early to mid second on essentially all draft boards. So I think this was a case of BPA.

Guess for Hawks the question marks are - do we need another Mid/HBF/KPD? Can he win enough ball? Does he have an actual position?

Dunno enough about the last two picks. Seems like we went for two players that are lightning quick and are perceived to have potential high upside.

Also missing out on Vickery as a NGA was frustrating.

 

[JT_the_Man]

B

A fair bit of the rating is down to sheer luck, with the Davey Jr bid coming very late and Munkara slipping through to the cat B rookie list.

 

[weltschmerz]

A-, B+. Buss and Clarke are perfect list needs. Gallagher is a wait and see but it’s a shallow pool at that level.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Did you trade Tom Stewart for James?

Ridley’s a great 3rd tall. There’s little evidence the rest are afl tall defenders.

Reid should get there. That’s 2, you’re still one short.

Cox is a midfielder or flanker who happens to be tall. Unless BZT really turned it around he’s depth at best, Stewart isn’t a long term player. Laverde regressed big time. And McBride, really?

Hayes is a great prospect, he’s rawer than Buss and Weddle but that’s ok, he’s a kid. And having 3 great tall backs is a recipe for success

Until we stop bleeding easy transition, start pressuring from clearance, and become enough of a offensive threat to warrant respect from opposition defenders, we will still get wiped off the park regardless of who we have in defense. The best defenders in the competition would not survive the way we allow opposition to kick inside 50. We need to fix the physicality and competitiveness in the middle of the ground before we get value out of drafting defenders.

BZT has turned it around and was excellent. Only played 11 games but polled B&F votes at the same rate as Wright who won it.

While we will certainly get access to key defensive prospects in Hayes class again in upcoming 2nd and 3rd rounds, the same cannot be said for the likes of George.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Hard to really place the Hawks. I think I'd give us a solid B.

7) Mackenzie - Mid - a balanced mid that plays both the inside inside/outside role and was arguably the best kick in the draft. Certainly the best kick out of the early midfield options at least. Good size, quick and has good athleticism. I think he will fit in perfectly with the players we already have and compliments Newcombe and Ward really well.

We certainly addressed an area of need with this pick.

18) Weddle - Utility/General Def - was the U18 AA FB. At 193cm and 92kg he is a rare athlete, testing in the top range of most categories. Good kick too. Played mid two years ago before moving to the backline and then KPD.

Mitchell said he'd be playing wing/midfield for us. He could be a unique midfield or wing option in the future given his size and athleticism. I think both he and CJ could cause havoc with their pace.

He was a pick based on best talent available - according to Hawks draft board anyway who had him at #10.

GWS were keen and they had the next pick at the time of Sydney's pick.

I don't mind the ambitious trade to get him, especially as we may not have been able to use second rounders next year anyway due to McCabe coming through.

The real question is were our recruiters right in rating him so high?

37) Hustwaite - Mid/HBF/KPD - tall as farq midfielder at 194cm, who is very clean and is a great kick. Also played HBF and KPD. Moves in slow motion, similarly to Pendles/Dal Santo/Mitchell.

He was rated as an early to mid second on essentially all draft boards. So I think this was a case of BPA.

Guess for Hawks the question marks are - do we need another Mid/HBF/KPD? Can he win enough ball? Does he have an actual position?

Dunno enough about the last two picks. Seems like we went for two players that are lightning quick and are perceived to have potential high upside.

Also missing out on Vickery as a NGA was frustrating.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hawks have had a brilliant draft here. I really liked the big move to grab Weddle, rather than sitting back hoping you can get a bargain, pay the price and get the player you want.

 

[master bate]

Until we stop bleeding easy transition, start pressuring from clearance, and become enough of a offensive threat to warrant respect from opposition defenders, we will still get wiped off the park regardless of who we have in defense. The best defenders in the competition would not survive the way we allow opposition to kick inside 50. We need to fix the physicality and competitiveness in the middle of the ground before we get value out of drafting defenders.

BZT has turned it around and was excellent. Only played 11 games but polled B&F votes at the same rate as Wright who won it.

While we will certainly get access to key defensive prospects in Hayes class again in upcoming 2nd and 3rd rounds, the same cannot be said for the likes of George.

Definitely think you need to fix the midfield and probably as importantly the forwards pressure immediately. But that's coaching and bringing in mature talent. We'll see if a revitalized Tippa, a healthy Snelling, Setterfield, maybe A. Davey and the right coaching can fix that up.

George certainly wasn't going to fix that any time soon. He's not a defensive specialist and neither is he proven as a midfielder. At the moment he's a super talented medium forward with bung knees.

Not every draft has high upside key defenders available in the early second round. They do happen, but not a guarantee. There's always medium forwards who drop because teams don't rate their defensive game or midfield ability. George might be better than that, he certainly was expected to play very well in the midfield and display a rounded game. But that's pre knee injuries.

If you took an outside mid, small mid, back flanker I'd understand the frustration. But I think you took the right level of risk with a heap of upside too. At the end of the day North took George because they're in the best position to game at that draft range given how stacked they are for young talent.

 

[theGav56]

We are probably in the Cs somewhere given the picks we had. I think the club targeted needs as well as immediate depth and did a decent job.

I expect Davies and Knoble to be decent level players and in positions we need depth in. Readie will provide some immediate ruck cover.

Emmett is going to get a mighty roar when he takes the field, and our NGAs look like decent long term prospects.

Not exciting, but very functional.

 

[Joose]

B for Freo.

Made the most of a bad hand by addressing needs - Rucks, KPDs and forwards.

Lost a few mature players ( Lobb, Mundy, Tucker, Logue and Acres )and brought a few in ( Wagner, Emmett and Reidy ).

Also the NGA boys Willaims and Draper look very exciting,

 

[1990crow]

B minus for crows.

Got a bonus first round father son pick in Michalanney after giving up pick 5 for Rankine.
Importantly allows Adelaide to trade its 2023 and 2024 first rounders for players if they show choose (2 first in 4 years rule).

Billy Dowling could a value pick. 31 disposals average.

Hugh Bond likely a good prospect for our back pocket to replace Luke Brown

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Luke Brown

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

273.4

4star

D

11.7

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

2.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

273.4

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

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[Mutineer]

I heard of the first one, but with Papley, Hayward, Heeney and possibly Wicks all in the forward line I didn't really think we were in the market for a small forward.

I am not having a go at any of the 3 we drafted as they could be good players (though I feel like we reached massively for them) but I am having a go at the fact we didn't even attempt to address any of the Swans list needs.

Overall a C- I think.

You got one of the absolute steals in this draft with Jaiden Magor, don't be fooled into thinking he's just a clever medium forward, he's a genuine inside/outside midfielder/forward.

 

[Hbanger]

B minus for crows.

Got a bonus first round father son pick in Michalanney after giving up pick 5 for Rankine.
Importantly allows Adelaide to trade its 2023 and 2024 first rounders for players if they show choose (2 first in 4 years rule).

Billy Dowling could a value pick. 31 disposals average.

Hugh Bond likely a good prospect for our back pocket to replace Luke Brown.

Pretty happy overall. Thought Billy would have gone higher so to get him at 43 great. He and Bondy give us some height in the middle at last.

 

[Warhorse]

I would give Geelong a C+/B-. Solid but unspectacular with the first pick - can't really go wrong with this pick. A developing tall late in the draft - like most drafted late, is unlikely to make it tbh. I dont mind our rookie pick with the cat B rookies a bit meh.

Geelong is in the window now. I would have drafted a mature age with a late pick in the national draft rather than a long shot tall.

 

[eth-dog]

B for Freo.

Made the most of a bad hand by addressing needs - Rucks, KPDs and forwards.

Lost a few mature players ( Lobb, Mundy, Tucker, Logue and Acres )and brought a few in ( Wagner, Emmett and Reidy ).

Also the NGA boys Willaims and Draper look very exciting,

Like the Reidy pick. Not a great tap ruck but moves well and has good hands.

 

[bird_man]

A
Sheezel will be a marquee player
Wardlaw seems a safe bet
George without the acl was on track for top 10
Harvey underrated, versatile, tough and can accumulate

Just wish we got a KPF

I thought a key forward was a huge need for North

I had them in the phantom draft and ended up taking Lemney or Scully at the back end (can't remember which one)

 

[1990crow]

I thought a key forward was a huge need for North

I had them in the phantom draft and ended up taking Lemney or Scully at the back end (can't remember which one)

Sometimes there’s no point taking a player if they aren’t quality.
There’s low chance Lemmey or Scully go on to play 100 plus games.

 

[bird_man]

Fox gave us a D+

think a tad harsh.

Mckenzie, Weddle & Hustewaite all seem good prospects.

You have up a lot to get Weddle

In terms of points it well may be the equivalent of pick 4 if you have a disappointing season next year

I'd be a tad disappointed with the off season if I were a Hawks fan. I just think they have little to show for getting rid of Mitchell, O'Meara, F2 amd F3

We are only guessing at the minute though, maybe Weddle turns out to be a gun and Hawthorn have a better than expected year

 

[Dr Tigris]

Tigers focus was on speed, skill, and attitude - but not on size (Until Tylar Young as a KPD)

Pretty much a draft of picking up small talented players hoping one or two will make it. With a decent level KPD who has lot of development scope.

SO no idea of a rating.

Crap picks, but we got a heap of talent for those picks. But mostly small players so there's a chance they just won't be able to stick the AFL.

If one or two come through then B+. But high risk of no return on the investment = E.

Young I reckon means the tigers hope to fix the KPF depth with Balta/Gibcus/Miller. So once again boom or bust.

Start with poor picks and all you can realistically hope for is to get a half decent player making it.

 

[bird_man]

Sometimes there’s no point taking a player if they aren’t quality.
There’s low chance Lemmey or Scully go on to play 100 plus games.

There's low chance any player taken in the back end play 100 plus games

 

[1990crow]

There's low chance any player taken in the back end play 100 plus games

Therefore taking a key forward round then isn’t really worth it to fix a hole in the lineup.
Better to use a first rounder.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Therefore taking a key forward round then isn’t really worth it to fix a hole in the lineup.
Better to use a first rounder.

yeah I think that’s the logic our list mgmt team went with but still I would have taken a punt as we need to stockpile talls

I reckon we will try trade for one next year with one of our 2 first rounders (not sure who is available)

 

[bird_man]

Therefore taking a key forward round then isn’t really worth it to fix a hole in the lineup.
Better to use a first rounder.

You only get one first rounder a year on average and usually you have to be lucky for a quality key forward to be there at your pick.

Top end picks are for taking the best available players.

You lose very little from taking a project key position player later in the draft.

 

[Lach72]

Given our picks, we covered everything David Walls said we needed before the draft.
Leaves us with an early second to start off with next year.

Be interesting to see whether we go KPF first next year

 

[juss]

Got no idea of the quality of players that our picks might become, no one does really. We might hit late gold or we might have some guys who are just meh.

However positionally, our picks don't really make a lot of sense in terms of list needs, so we really missed a chance to take a punt on a developing tall KPF.

That's pretty disappointing as the list has a big hole in it unless there is something else planned for end of 2023 to address this.