Analysis How many live picks will your team take to the 2023 draft>

[Miguel Sanchez]

Back again because one guy asked. Feel free to provide updates and/or correct any mistakes I've made.

Adelaide
Starting list size: 38
Out: 5 (McAsey retired, Doedee, McAdam traded/FA, Hately, Hamill delisted)
In: 2 (Burgess traded, Murray promoted)
Current senior list: 35 players
Current rookies: 2 Cat A (Keane, Parnell) + will redraft Borlase (don't think he still qualifies for Cat B) and Hamill
Live picks: 3 (10, 14, 20)

Brisbane
Starting list size: 36
Out: 5 (Rich, Adams retired, Gunston, Fullarton traded, BColeman delisted)
In: 3 (Doedee, Ryan trade/FA, Michael reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Joyce, Lane, Lester, McKenna) + 1 Cat B (Brain)
Live picks: 4 (30, 39, 51, 54)

Carlton
Starting list size: 36
Out: 5 (Plowman retired, Dow, Fisher traded, Honey, Philp delisted)
In: 3 (Hollands trade, Fantasia DFA, Cottrell reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 5 Cat A (Boyd, Cincotta, Durdin, Mirkov, O'Keeffe) + 1 Cat B (Akuei)
Live picks: 3 (22, 28, 70) - but probably take two and upgrade Cottrell

Collingwood
Starting list size: 36
Out: 6 (Adams, Ginnivan traded, Bianco, Draper, Kelly, Ruscoe delisted)
In: 3 (Schultz trade, Johnson and Markov reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Begg, Carmichael, Dean, Steene)
Live picks: 5 (19, 33, 80, 98, 116) - reportedly only taking two but I think they need to take a third?

Essendon
Starting list size: 36
Out: 6 (AMT, Phillips retired, BZT traded, Stewart, Lord, Snelling delisted)
In: 4 (Goldstein, McKay, Gresham, Duursma trade/FA) plus Baldwin has to be upgraded
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Baldwin, Hunter, Menzie, Wanganeen)
Live picks: 4 (9, 31, 35, 61) - last will have to be used to upgrade Baldwin.

Fremantle
Starting list size: 36
Out: 6 (Henry, Hamling, Schultz traded/FA, Colyer, Wilson, Benning delisted)
In: 3 (McDonald DFA, Banfield and Treacy reportedly upgraded)
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Kuek, Reidy, Stanley, Worner) + 2 Cat B (Draper, Williams)
Live picks: 5 (34, 46, 60, 64, 86) - probably take three

Geelong
Starting list size: 38
Out: 7 (Smith, Ceglar retired, Ratugolea traded, Menegola, Simpson, Whyte, Kroeger delisted)
In: 0
Current senior list: 31 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Dempsey, Hardie, Murdoch, Clohesy apparently switching) + 2 Cat B (Mullin, Furphy)
Live picks: 7 (8, 25, 76, 87, 94, 105, 123) - doubt they're going that deep

Gold Coast
Starting list size: 38
Out: 6 (Constable retired, Chol, Burgess, Hollands trade, Sharp, Day delisted)
In: 1 (Oea reportedly upgraded, but only after the ND)
Current senior list: 32 players not including Oea
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Brock, Faulkhead, Tsitas, Uwland) + 1 Cat B (Johnston)
Live picks: 6 (24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 38), also have 66, 71 and 74

GWS
Starting list size: 36
Out: 3 (Flynn FA, Fleeton, Kennedy delisted)
In: 0
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Derksen, Hamilton, Peatling, Wehr) + 1 Cat B (Madden) + Kennedy to be rerookied
Live picks: 5 (7, 16, 43, 59, 77)

Hawthorn
Starting list size: 36
Out: 9 (Lynch retired, Brockman, Koschitzke traded, Bramble, Greene, Jeka, Morris, Wingard, Stephens delisted)
In: 5 (Chol, D'Ambrosio, Ginnivan, Gunston traded, Newcombe reportedly upgraded)
Current senior list: 32 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Blanck, Mitchell, Ramsden, Tucker) + 1 Cat B (Bennetts) + Wingard and Stephens to be rerookied
Live picks: 6 (4, 44, 47, 49, 62, 63)

Melbourne
Starting list size: 36
Out: 6 (Hibberd, Dunstan retired, Grundy, Jordon, Harmes trade/FA, Melksham delisted)
In: 4 (Billings, Fullarton, McAdam trade, D.Turner reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (McVee, Sestan, Turner, Verrall) + 2 Cat B (Moniz-Wakefield, Farris-White) + Melksham to be rerookied
Live picks: 4 (6, 11, 42, 93)

North Melbourne
Starting list size: 38
Out: 10 (Cunnington, Ziebell, Hall retired, Goldstein, McKay FA, Bonar, Mahony, Perez, Young, Spicer delisted)
In: 4 (Fisher, Stephens, Nyuon traded, Pink DFA)
Current senior list: 32 players
Current rookies: 5 Cat A (Dawson, Drury, Free, Hansen, Shiels)
Live picks: 6 (2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57)

Port Adelaide
Starting list size: 38
Out: 7 (Jonas, Lycett retired, Duursma trade, Bonner, Fantasia, Hayes, Pasini delisted)
In: 5 (Ratugolea, Soldo, Sweet, BZT traded, McEntee reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 36 players including McEntee
Current rookies: 2 Cat A (McEntee, Williams)
Live picks: 2 (73, 112)

Richmond
Starting list size: 36
Out: 5 (Cotchin, Riewoldt, Tarrant, Castagna retired, Soldo traded)
In: 3 (Koschitzke traded, Naismith DFA, Miller reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 5 Cat A (Bauer, Campbell, Coulthard, Tresize, Young) + 2 Cat B (Colina, Hayes-Brown)
Live picks: 3 (29, 41) - likely to just take two and promote Miller

St Kilda
Starting list size: 36
Out: 8 (Billings, Gresham, Coffield traded/FA, Adams, Bytel, Connolly, Highmore, McKenzie delisted)
In: 3 (Henry, Dow traded, Wood reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 31 players
Current rookies: 5 Cat A (Caminiti, Hayes, Heath, Sharman, Stocker) + 1 Cat B (McLennan)
Live picks: 6 (13, 21, 40, 92, 110, 126)

Sydney
Starting list size: 36
Out: 7 (Franklin, Hickey retired, Stephens traded, Clarke, Reid, Gould, Rankin delisted)
In: 5 (Grundy, Adams, Hamling, Jordon traded/FA, Fox reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Arnold, Buller, Magor, McAndrew) + will rerookie Reid + 1 Cat B (Edwards)
Live picks: 4 (12, 45, 55, 91)

West Coast
Starting list size: 38
Out: 7 (Hurn, Naitanui, Shuey retired, O'Neill, Clark, Foley, SPS delisted)
In: 2 (Flynn, Brockman trade/FA)
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 3 Cat A (Culley, Maric, Trew) + 2 Cat B (Baker, Dewar)
Live picks: 5 (1, 23, 37, 58, 81)

Bulldogs
Starting list size: 36
Out: 7 (Bruce retired, Sweet trade, O'Brien, Hannan, McLean, Crozier, Duryea delisted)
In: 3 (Coffield, Harmes trade, Scott reportedly upgraded)
Current senior list: 32 players
Current rookies: 3 Cat A (Baker, Poulter) + 1 Cat B (O'Donnell) + Duryea and McNeil will be rerookied
Live picks: 6 (5, 48, 50, 52, 53, 56) - also have 69, 72 and 75 to match points

 

[Stamos]

Some of the Carlton numbers are off, but the conclusion (short of something unforeseen) seems right, 2 picks plus a rookie elevation.

 

[weltschmerz]

I think we'll take 4 and elevate Anthony Scott to the main list.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We are only taking the 2, pick 12 plus the match on Caiden Cleary. Maybe a third on a rookie upgrade but that’s it for us.

 

[Giant Strides]

Adjustment today for GWS:

Inaugural Giant set for lifeline after delisting

The Giants are committed to taking Adam Kennedy in the Rookie Draft after his delisting

www.afl.com.au

GWS today delisted Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

31

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

, with a view to re-selecting him in the rookie draft. So, we have 1 extra spot available for the ND.

GWS
Starting list size: 36
Out: 3 (Flynn FA, Fleeton, Kennedy delisted)
In: 0
Current senior list: 33 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Derksen, Hamilton, Peatling, Wehr) + 1 Cat B (Madden)
Live picks: 5 (7, 16, 43, 59, 77)

 

[Wrenny]

Richmond
Starting list size: 36
Out: 5 (Cotchin, Riewoldt, Tarrant, Castagna retired, Soldo traded)
In: 1 (Koschitzke traded) plus set to promote Miller plus sign Naismith as a DFA
Current senior list: 32 players
Current rookies: 6 Cat A (Bauer, Campbell, Coulthard, Miller, Tresize, Young) + 1 Cat B (Colina)
Live picks: 4 (29, 41, 65, 68) - also have 86, may just take two and promote Miller

We had Nyoun traded also with Bradtke delisted.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We had Nyoun traded also with Bradtke delisted.

Both were on the rookie list. I didn’t include those movements, only the number of rookies currently listed.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We will be taking 5 in the ND (plan is to still bundle 2 picks for a higher pick)
2 in the rookie. Potentially a dfa instead of a second rookie

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Geelong have added furphy as a cat B ruck so wont have any rookie picks (3 cat a 3 cat b) unless we elevate dempsey. I expect we elevate dempsey and take 5 picks. Would leave us with 2 spots for rookie draft or SSP.

 

[goodie23]

Reckon three picks, upgrade Wood and keep one for an SSP or mid-season draft for the Saints

 

[Chaisa]

Some of the Carlton numbers are off, but the conclusion (short of something unforeseen) seems right, 2 picks plus a rookie elevation.

Miguel's maths suggest that you had 38 players on the main list last year, Draftguru suggests 36 (and given that Ed Curnow and O'Brien left from your rookie list, 36 looks more accurate).

Hence, the senior list is currently only 32 players at Carlton (but will be 33 once the Fantasia paperwork is done).

Also:

• BZT appears as an addition on the Port list but not a subtraction on the Essendon one? He wasn't rookie listed.
• I think Gold Coast are delisting Sam Day but re-drafting him, similarly Duryea from the Dogs has been delisted and re-rookied.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Miguel's maths suggest that you had 38 players on the main list last year, Draftguru suggests 36 (and given that Ed Curnow and O'Brien left from your rookie list, 36 looks more accurate).

Hence, the senior list is currently only 32 players at Carlton (but will be 33 once the Fantasia paperwork is done).

Oops, think you’re right.

Also:

[*]BZT appears as an addition on the Port list but not a subtraction on the Essendon one? He wasn't rookie listed.

Oops again.

[*]I think Gold Coast are delisting Sam Day but re-drafting him, similarly Duryea from the Dogs has been delisted and re-rookied.

Yeah there was a few of those type of announcements today, I haven’t gotten them done yet. Were there others besides Day and Duryea?[/list]

 

[Giant Strides]

Yeah there was a few of those type of announcements today, I haven’t gotten them done yet. Were there others besides Day and Duryea?[/list]

According to FOX: Lachie McNeil:

For the Dogs, Taylor Duryea and Lachie McNeil have also been cut from their list with the promise to re-join the club come late November.

Bulldogs poach Hawks speedster; Freo lands wing after multi-year chase — Off-Season Central

Bulldogs poach Hawks speedster; Freo lands wing after multi-year chase — Off-Season Central

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[fargothegreat]

Given we're about to sign Naismith and have to elevate Miller, it's looking like we'll only have two National Draft picks.

It's possible we go with a 37/5 split next year and take an extra pick, but we've always stuck with 36/6 in the past.

 

[Jen2310]

Cal seems to think pies will use two picks in the draft. We'll then promote a rookie, and then leave a spot or so for SSP or MSD.. that's if we don't get a DFA.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Cal seems to think pies will use two picks in the draft. We'll then promote a rookie, and then leave a spot or so for SSP or MSD.. that's if we don't get a DFA.

Wish the AFL would actually give us the list of upgraded rookies after the clubs submit them (ie yesterday). They used to until a few years ago, no idea why they’ve stopped. It’s hardly nuclear codes-level super secret info.

 

[DragoDelph]

Wish the AFL would actually give us the list of upgraded rookies after the clubs submit them (ie yesterday). They used to until a few years ago, no idea why they’ve stopped. It’s hardly nuclear codes-level super secret info.

I’d prefer if they dumped it altogether.
Increase the cat b spots by a couple, allow for undrafted players 200cm + to be added to it (for developing ruckman) and increase the number of years before they have to be promoted.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I’d prefer if they dumped it altogether.

You’re right, that would be preferable.

But if they’re going to keep it, bloody well tell us who’s on it and who’s not!

 

[Vindicater]

I’d prefer if they dumped it altogether.
Increase the cat b spots by a couple, allow for undrafted players 200cm + to be added to it (for developing ruckman) and increase the number of years before they have to be promoted.

Just dump the rookie list and increase the list but that size.

Then change the draftee contract size.

First two rounds- 3 years.
Third round onwards- 1 year

 

[Stamos]

What is the state of your club’s list ahead of the AFL draft?

AFL club list managers are feverishly finalising their squads and figuring out their talent order ahead of the start of the AFL draft on November 20.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

What is the state of your club’s list ahead of the AFL draft?

AFL club list managers are feverishly finalising their squads and figuring out their talent order ahead of the start of the AFL draft on November 20.

www.theage.com.au

Is there a non-paywalled version of that available?

 

[DragoDelph]

Is there a non-paywalled version of that available?

https://archive.md/rpIxE

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

https://archive.md/rpIxE

Thanks, I've updated the OP to include the details in that article as well as today's moves.

 

[M Malice]

Back again because one guy asked. Feel free to provide updates and/or correct any mistakes I've made.

Brisbane
Starting list size: 36
Out: 5 (Rich, Adams retired, Gunston, Fullarton traded, BColeman delisted)
In: 3 (Doedee, Ryan trade/FA, Michael reportedly promoted)
Current senior list: 34 players
Current rookies: 4 Cat A (Joyce, Lane, Lester, McKenna) + 1 Cat B (Brain)
Live picks: 4 (30, 39, 51, 54)

Brisbane also delisted Rhys Mathieson and Darryl McDowell-White Jnr.

 

[eth-dog]

Just dump the rookie list and increase the list but that size.

Then change the draftee contract size.

First two rounds- 3 years.
Third round onwards- 1 year

I'd prefer:

First round 3 years
Second through fourth rounds 2 years
Fifth round onwards 1 year.

Anyway Miguel Sanchez Baldwin has to be promoted as he's spent 3 years on the rookie list so we're 3 in the ND and 1 in the RD