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What for? I couldn't handle a party running the country and showing me every day what I am never allowed at home.
Half Term Tony. Is it a possibility?
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I wonder how much of the Greens’ support and the Coalition’s lack of support can be attributed to the left’s $1.2 billion taxpayer funded propaganda machine?
Tony Abbott so far is reminding me a bit of Costello - "all tip, no iceberg".
Don't get why the left is getting so hysterical over a guy who has achieved pretty much nothing. They should be hanging on this guy for grim death. Without him weighing down the Liberal vote, Labor wouldn't be travelling so well.
His current status reminds me alot of Buswell in WA prior to Barnett taking over. Labor are at about 51% atm. Abbott getting knived would easily, easily cause a 2-3 point rebound in the Liberal party vote.
Don't get why the left is getting so hysterical over a guy who has achieved pretty much nothing. They should be hanging on this guy for grim death. Without him weighing down the Liberal vote, Labor wouldn't be travelling so well.
His current status reminds me alot of Buswell in WA prior to Barnett taking over. Labor are at about 51% atm. Abbott getting knived would easily, easily cause a 2-3 point rebound in the Liberal party vote.
It's an interesting situation the Liberals have gotten themselves into. They played on the fact that people didn't like what Labor did in knifing Rudd before the people had a chance to have a say at the 2010 election and then what Rudd did to Gillard before the 2013 election and had promised a stable government in which they said the leader that was elected would be the same leader at the next election.
You don't think their policies might be playing a part?
And which replacement leader will give them that bounce? Not Hockey or Morrison.
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The ABC only costs $1.2 billion?
What a bargain price for such a wonderful organization.
Except that the mantra of the 'right', is that complaints about class sizes adversely affecting classroom outcomes is a scam put out by the teachers; who are all money grubbing socialists.
So who is telling the truth here?
If this government, and previous ones too, state that they need 457 visa holders to allow them to get university trained professionals from overseas, then the argument that there are too many students here in Australia doesn't hold water.
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To get a better idea of whether this government is likely to get a second term, I visited their web site to see how they have measured up so far against their 'Plan".
http://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
It was really interesting, so far their major achievements have been:
Stop the boats
Abolish Carbon and Mining taxes
Reduce red tape.
I would give them 2/10 and unlikely to achieve a second term.
Their policies on Employment Participation and Indexation of Commonwealth Seniors Health Card is amusing reading. Particularly the Seniors Card. On one hand they bemoan the fact that we are an aging population and the impact/cost to medical services then on the other hand they want to make it easier for self-retires to have access to this card. Bit confusing. Also don't understand how they are rarely challenged on the $7 co-payment and then they point to the high cost/demand on medical services. The co-payment is not going into Medicare - it is going to a research fund! I believe that if it was going into Medicare, the majority would have accepted the policy.
The other thing that amuses me is when they say they have a mandate for change but an obstructive Senate.
Well the previous government could only propose legislation in the lower house with the support of Independents but the main difference was that they negotiated these changes before they put it before the house. Unlike the cigar chomping current government that smugly put their unfair budget up expecting it to breeze through both houses and have since had to compromise almost every change.
Unless there is a major shift, can't see a second term.
http://www.liberal.org.au/our-policies
It was really interesting, so far their major achievements have been:
Stop the boats
Abolish Carbon and Mining taxes
Reduce red tape.
I would give them 2/10 and unlikely to achieve a second term.
Their policies on Employment Participation and Indexation of Commonwealth Seniors Health Card is amusing reading. Particularly the Seniors Card. On one hand they bemoan the fact that we are an aging population and the impact/cost to medical services then on the other hand they want to make it easier for self-retires to have access to this card. Bit confusing. Also don't understand how they are rarely challenged on the $7 co-payment and then they point to the high cost/demand on medical services. The co-payment is not going into Medicare - it is going to a research fund! I believe that if it was going into Medicare, the majority would have accepted the policy.
The other thing that amuses me is when they say they have a mandate for change but an obstructive Senate.
Well the previous government could only propose legislation in the lower house with the support of Independents but the main difference was that they negotiated these changes before they put it before the house. Unlike the cigar chomping current government that smugly put their unfair budget up expecting it to breeze through both houses and have since had to compromise almost every change.
Unless there is a major shift, can't see a second term.
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This will be another nail in the coffin for this incompetent government
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...inds-way-to-hike-fuel-tax-20141028-3j0zd.html
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...inds-way-to-hike-fuel-tax-20141028-3j0zd.html
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Except they aren't by-passing Parliament.
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I don't know of any other times they have bypassed parliament. However, I don't like what they are doing. Apparently Labor did the same thing in 2009. The problem is that if this isn't approved by parliament within 12 months, the money has to be given back to the fuel importers.
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This thread provides many examples of why Australia's economic outlook is cactus. Basically we have reached the tipping point of a true welfare state. Too many Australians with their outstretched hands who refuse to grow up and be responsible for themselves and their life choices. Reliant on the taxpayer to supplement their incomes. Looking to the “wealthy” to see how much more can be squeezed out of them and as a result the numbers of net "takers" have overtaken net "contributers". As evidenced by the budget backlash, any attempt to repair the situation is political suicide. In the long run Australia’s push towards the lowest common denominator will permanently disable us and future generations will suffer for it.
Yes they are , the parliament voted no
this incompetent government is not doing the same as labor , the parliament passed labor's bill , it didn't with the fuel excise
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Lol, spell s.e.n.a.t.e
No, its the attack on the most vulnerable that is at issue with the budget. How about some honesty or is that too much to ask?
Maybe if we didnt spend billions charging off to every fight overseas that has no concern to us, we might be better off. Maybe if we attacked middle class welfare we might be better off, maybe if we looked to help our higher level manufacturing through the high $A so it can function properly again. Maybe if we actually supported the LSE schools to a level standard instead of giving $millions to wealthy schools it might be more efficient, maybe if we invest in research & CSIRO instead of destroying it we might further generate new opportunities instead of backing the tired old coal lobby. Maybe if we dumped the middle tier of Gument we might be more efficient.
No, just stick to your line, its easier.
The senate voted no to fuel excise hike
Just proved the point the government bypassed the parliament
That's probably correct but what does it mean for policy direction?
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How much lower can this government go? really looking forward to the next polls. Why didn't Joe Hockey make the announcement? On the outer?
Just watch Corrman on TV, is it possible that he can give an interview without blaming the previous g'ment?
Please I will take even one complete sentence that doesn't include the words : mess, back to surplus, disaster, Labor, Shorten, deficit etc.
Just watch Corrman on TV, is it possible that he can give an interview without blaming the previous g'ment?
Please I will take even one complete sentence that doesn't include the words : mess, back to surplus, disaster, Labor, Shorten, deficit etc.
what happen to the adult government of no excuses , labor has not been in government for 14 months now
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Maybe they think that lies and excuses are part of governing.
Interestingly when they put the fuel exercise increase into affect on the 20 November, they will then ask the Senate to again consider the legislation and if they vote against it, the money that they have taken will be returned to the oil companies, - stuff the motorists.
Of course those that are already getting fuel subsidies (farmers, mining companies) will be exempt from paying the increase.
This government is a joke!!!
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Poller I think you will find the bulk of that is from agreements put in place before Abbott got into power. We called them timebombs. Legislate something for which spending is required a couple of years later. Or sign contracts. I suspect the original plan was to wait until Abbott repealed the obligation and then speak as if he is taking stuff from people. But in the current state it is just as easy to block cuts in the senate and screech about ever worsening debt. Believe it or not many imbiciles actually fall for it.
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