The Big 4 - 2015

[mad_monkey_j]

Anthrax are overrated, replace them with Exodus or Testament.

 

[Zerg]

Collingwood; Carlton; Richmond; Essendon

The biggest clubs in the competition or light of other days?

You knew the answer to the question before you even asked it...

 

[half_back_flank]

Real big 4

Collingwood; West Coast; Hawthorn; Sydney

Sydney are that far from big 4 it's not funny.

 

[walhawk]

The Big Four is a reminder of a time, long, long ago when Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon were the strongest football clubs in the land.
Like 400 years ago when England, France, Spain and Holland were the most powerful countries in the word.
It sure is hard to imagine now - especially Carlton and Spain.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Pantera weren't a thrash band, thus they are excluded from this conversation, unfortunately.

Thread still needs more Pantera.

 

[Rioli magic]

Thread still needs more Pantera.

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[shotgun_blues]

Anthrax are overrated, replace them with Exodus or Testament.

Armed & Dangerous. From the very top shelf of metal that song. A true metal masterpiece. Anthrax were great early on. Like Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton and Richmond!!

 

[Modified Dog]

B: Anthrax - Dark Angel - Testament
HB: Coroner - Destruction - Celtic Frost
C: Sepultura - Kreator - Possessed
HF: Bathory - Megadeth - Overkill
F: Onslaught - Venom - Sodom

R: Metallica - Exodus - Slayer

I: Metal Church - Voivod - Vio-lence
Sub: S.O.D.

Em: Morbid Saint - Sabbat - Sadus

I couldn't fit Pantera in - omitted due to team balance.

 

[Righteo]

I always considered them thrash... Criminally underrated though

Pantera are a hair metal band.


Well, originally at least.

 

[shotgun_blues]

It's gonna be a long off-season by the looks of things.

 

[Roddy]

It's still Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax, with honorable mentions to Exodus and Testament.

Do Sepultura never get a guernsey in this lot?

 

[Nostradumbass]

More NWOBHM please.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The Big Four is a reminder of a time, long, long ago when Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon were the strongest football clubs in the land.
Like 400 years ago when England, France, Spain and Holland were the most powerful countries in the word.
It sure is hard to imagine now - especially Carlton and Spain.

Best post in this sad & sorry thread....Almost saved it from itself....As for Anthrax, don't go near it, it's a killer.

 

[underthestars]

thought this thread was about holiday parks. but it's about talentless, ugly, loud musicians.

 

[TigerTime3]

Real big 4

Collingwood; West Coast; Hawthorn; Sydney

These clubs are currently the most successful and/or cashed up, but that is where their shared 'big' qualities end.

Traditional 'big 4' clubs have a long and rich social and cultural connection with each other through decades of Grand Final battles + having people in your life supporting one of those teams.

This rich social interaction forms a massive part of our shared experience in a passionate AFL state. Here, when you go to school, your consumption of AFL is strongly mediated by your friends (and family) and most often concern Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, and Essendon. Almost everyone has an uncle, grandpa, friend, etc who supports a big 4 club. And they let you know about it!

Modern attempts at replacing the 'big 4' miss the point. It would be like Victorians trying to call their matches "Derbies" or "Showdowns" just because Perth/SA have them. Some things are uniquely part of your own state's football fabric... Some people might have a grandparent who supports Hawthorn, or a best friend who supports North - everyone's experience is slightly different. But the 'Big 4' came about because those 4 clubs seem to have a presence everywhere, regardless of ladder position or financial position.

This is one of the most misunderstood concepts on Big Footy.

 

[BusinessMan]

Collingwood, Geelong, West Coast and Fremantle: four sides that don't need interstate deals/ the AFL to prop them up when going through rough patches (or even good patches), but who also don't partake in illegalities.

 

[BF Tiger]

Yawn.

 

[Hawthorn1314]

These clubs are currently the most successful and/or cashed up, but that is where their shared 'big' qualities end.

Traditional 'big 4' clubs have a long and rich social and cultural connection with each other through decades of Grand Final battles + having people in your life supporting one of those teams.

This rich social interaction forms a massive part of our shared experience in a passionate AFL state. Here, when you go to school, your consumption of AFL is strongly mediated by your friends (and family) and most often concern Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, and Essendon. Almost everyone has an uncle, grandpa, friend, etc who supports a big 4 club. And they let you know about it!

Modern attempts at replacing the 'big 4' miss the point. It would be like Victorians trying to call their matches "Derbies" or "Showdowns" just because Perth/SA have them. Some things are uniquely part of your own state's football fabric... Some people might have a grandparent who supports Hawthorn, or a best friend who supports North - everyone's experience is slightly different. But the 'Big 4' came about because those 4 clubs seem to have a presence everywhere, regardless of ladder position or financial position.

This is one of the most misunderstood concepts on Big Footy.

Except these clubs didn't always have the most followers in Victoria (namely Melbourne FC in the 1950s to 1960s)

The Big 4 was a concept of the late 1960s to 1980s to describe the most financial clubs of the day that dominated the 1970s version of free agency.

Its the equivalent of the Pies, Eagles and Hawks today. It was nothing more.

 

[Hawthorn1314]

Collingwood, Geelong, West Coast and Fremantle: four sides that don't need interstate deals/ the AFL to prop them up when going through rough patches (or even good patches), but who also don't partake in illegalities.

Yawn

 

[bombersfan4000]

It's still Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax, with honorable mentions to Exodus and Testament.

Metallica are an embarrassment now days.
I wouldn't put slayer in the top.4 with the death of guitarist and song writer Jeff hennerman as well as the sacking of long time drummer Dave Lombardoe

 

[bombersfan4000]

Anthrax are overrated, replace them with Exodus or Testament.

No Megadeth and more so Metallica are over rated

Sent from my D5503

 

[bombersfan4000]

Collingwood, Geelong, West Coast and Fremantle: four sides that don't need interstate deals/ the AFL to prop them up when going through rough patches (or even good patches), but who also don't partake in illegalities.

Non Collingwood have eddie pulling the strings in the back ground as well as being the media whore

Sent from my D5503

 

[Superduperouzel]

With Thrash, speed had everything to with it. I was all about speed, speed was the name of the game. Thrash bands were mostly small and slender, like Anthrax. Now Pantera, I have never been quite sure what they were, but they were too muscular to be a thrash band, too hairy to be stoner metal as well. They were smooth, not that they couldn't be either thrash or stoner at different times, I'm sure there was a lot of switching back and forth, but I think more often, Pantera were classified as groove metal except for the early period when they were a glam band.

If your club was a thrash/speed/doom metal band who would it be ?

 

[MightyHawks]

These clubs are currently the most successful and/or cashed up, but that is where their shared 'big' qualities end.

Traditional 'big 4' clubs have a long and rich social and cultural connection with each other through decades of Grand Final battles + having people in your life supporting one of those teams.

This rich social interaction forms a massive part of our shared experience in a passionate AFL state. Here, when you go to school, your consumption of AFL is strongly mediated by your friends (and family) and most often concern Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond, and Essendon. Almost everyone has an uncle, grandpa, friend, etc who supports a big 4 club. And they let you know about it!

Modern attempts at replacing the 'big 4' miss the point. It would be like Victorians trying to call their matches "Derbies" or "Showdowns" just because Perth/SA have them. Some things are uniquely part of your own state's football fabric... Some people might have a grandparent who supports Hawthorn, or a best friend who supports North - everyone's experience is slightly different. But the 'Big 4' came about because those 4 clubs seem to have a presence everywhere, regardless of ladder position or financial position.

This is one of the most misunderstood concepts on Big Footy.

I love the Big 4

The very existence of it has resulted in the capitulation of all 4 of these clubs

Collingwood & Richmond sent each other broke in 80s. Richmond has never recovered

The Bombers and Blues have spent 30 years, some would say "cheating", in attempts to better the other

All 4 clubs put too much focus in beating each other rather than trying to keep up with the real powers in the competition

May the Big 4 continue for another 30 years

Footnote: Since 1983 the Big One has won 8 flags while the Big 4 have won 8 flags between them

 

[Crazy John]

Why is it that Geelong and Hawthorn supporters have an inferiority complex when it comes to the traditional Big 4?