Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Best Comebacks - 3/4 time (1986-2008)
# Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 38 St Kilda 8.10 (58) vs Sydney 15.6 (96) 1994 7 SCG
2 19 St Kilda 12.7 (79) vs Geelong 15.8 (98) 1999 10 SS
3 18 St Kilda 10.13 (73) vs West Coast 14.7 (91) 1998 6 Sub
4 17 St Kilda 11.12 (78) vs Fitzroy 15.5 (95) 1990 20 Mor
5 16 St Kilda 6.7 (43) vs Nth Melb 8.11 (59) 2008 14 Car
6 16 St Kilda 13.12 (90) vs Sydney 16.10 (106) 1997 19 SCG
7 14 St Kilda 13.7 (85) vs Sydney 14.15 (99) 1991 9 SCG
8 13 St Kilda 8.16 (64) vs Richmond 11.11 (77) 1989 10 Wav
9 12 St Kilda 9.7 (61) vs Hawthorn 11.7 (73) 2001 22 MCG
10 9 St Kilda 7.7 (49) vs Essendon 8.10 (58) 2006 15 MCG
11 9 St Kilda 9.11 (65) vs Footscray 10.14 (74) 1995 7 Wav
12 8 St Kilda 9.11 (65) vs Fremantle 10.13 (73) 2001 12 Sub
13 8 St Kilda 11.8 (74) vs Collingwood 12.10 (82) 1996 7 MCG
14 8 St Kilda 13.12 (90) vs Essendon 15.8 (98) 1992 1 Wav
15 7 St Kilda 6.6 (42) vs Fremantle 7.7 (49) 2005 2 Aur
16 7 St Kilda 11.13 (79) vs Essendon 12.14 (86) 1997 8 MCG
17 5 St Kilda 11.6 (72) vs Nth Melb 11.11 (77) 1992 15 Mor
18 4 St Kilda 10.9 (69) vs W Bulldogs 11.7 (73) 1999 4 Wav
19 3 St Kilda 11.15 (81) vs Richmond 12.12 (84) 2007 22 MCG
20 3 St Kilda 15.7 (97) vs Richmond 15.10 (100) 1998 11 Wav
21 3 St Kilda 13.9 (87) vs Collingwood 13.12 (90) 1997 3 Wav
22 2 St Kilda 4.9 (33) vs Melbourne 5.5 (35) 1992 23 MCG
23 1 St Kilda 13.7 (85) vs Richmond 13.8 (86) 2008 7 TD
24 1 St Kilda 7.3 (45) vs Carlton 7.4 (46) 2002 1 TD

Nothing stunning here, except having done the Tigers four times and Essendon and the Swans 3 times. If only we could get Collingwood on the list more often.

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Harvs has only just become the 2nd oldest to play for the Saints, and is actually not yet in the top 20 all-time (VFL/AFL)

1 Cumberland, Vic StK 1920 43 years, 48 days
2 Harvey, Robert StK 2008 36 years, 324 days
3 Hall, Alec StK 1906 36 years, 298 days
4 Lever, Harry StK 1922 36 years, 255 days
5 McNamara, Dave StK 1923 36 years, 237 days
6 Ricketts, Charlie StK 1921 35 years, 343 days
7 Jesaulenko, Alex StK 1981 35 years, 287 days
8 Heinz, George StK 1927 35 years, 204 days
9 Lenne, Bert StK 1924 34 years, 316 days
10 Thompson, Andrew StK 2007 34 years, 315 days

 

[bubblegoose]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Rooey isn't a full forward and he spends a lot of the time up the ground so u cant expect him to kick a lot of goals. Also his goal kicking doesnt help either

His conversion seems pretty poor, I'm wondering though (attn: Champion Statistician Extraordinaire Squiz!) how Roo's conversion rate sizes up against other Key forwards of the modern era?

Milney has moved into the top 150 goalkickers (of all-time), level with John Nicholls and Paul Williams, and one behind Barry Breen and Jacko.

That is just really amazing! He'll still incur some creative bagging from opp supps for being crap - regardless of the stats. If he was a different player for a different team what dsort of coverage would this get, I wonder?

 

[bubblegoose]

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Squizzy, you're a gun! Keep'em coming!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Harvs has only just become the 2nd oldest to play, and is actually not yet in the top 20 all-time (VFL/AFL)

1 Cumberland, Vic StK 1920 43 years, 48 days
2 Harvey, Robert StK 2008 36 years, 324 days
3 Hall, Alec StK 1906 36 years, 298 days
4 Lever, Harry StK 1922 36 years, 255 days
5 McNamara, Dave StK 1923 36 years, 237 days
6 Ricketts, Charlie StK 1921 35 years, 343 days
7 Jesaulenko, Alex StK 1981 35 years, 287 days
8 Heinz, George StK 1927 35 years, 204 days
9 Lenne, Bert StK 1924 34 years, 316 days
10 Thompson, Andrew StK 2007 34 years, 315 days

Then it's decided he can't retire for another 6 seasons.

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

This updated one tells no lies:

Best Comebacks – ½ time (1986-2008)
# Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 28 St Kilda 6.3 (39) vs Hawthorn 10.7 (67) 2008 16 TD
2 27 St Kilda 8.4 (52) vs Geelong 12.7 (79) 1999 10 SS
2 27 St Kilda 9.1 (55) vs Hawthorn 13.4 (82) 1998 4 Wav
4 25 St Kilda 4.8 (32) vs Sydney 9.3 (57) 1994 7 SCG
5 24 St Kilda 4.9 (33) vs Footscray 8.9 (57) 1995 7 Wav
6 22 St Kilda 8.7 (55) vs Geelong 12.5 (77) 1988 8 SS
7 19 St Kilda 7.6 (48) vs Richmond 10.7 (67) 1997 9 Wav
7 19 St Kilda 7.9 (51) vs Bris Bears 11.4 (70) 1989 1 Mor
9 17 St Kilda 7.4 (46) vs Hawthorn 10.3 (63) 2001 22 MCG
10 16 St Kilda 4.3 (27) vs Nth Melb 6.7 (43) 2008 14 Car
10 16 St Kilda 4.3 (27) vs Fremantle 6.7 (43) 2002 17 OO
10 16 St Kilda 4.6 (30) vs W Bulldogs 7.4 (46) 1999 4 Wav
13 15 St Kilda 9.8 (62) vs Sydney 12.5 (77) 1997 19 SCG
14 14 St Kilda 4.6 (30) vs Essendon 6.8 (44) 2006 15 MCG
14 14 St Kilda 7.9 (51) vs Essendon 9.11 (65) 1997 8 MCG
14 14 St Kilda 7.7 (49) vs Fitzroy 10.3 (63) 1990 20 Mor
17 12 St Kilda 7.6 (48) vs Collingwood 9.6 (60) 1996 7 MCG
18 11 St Kilda 7.5 (47) vs Richmond 9.4 (58) 2008 7 TD
18 11 St Kilda 9.4 (58) vs Richmond 10.9 (69) 1998 11 Wav
18 11 St Kilda 5.6 (36) vs Collingwood 7.5 (47) 1987 21 Mor

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Milne to equal 5th for Saints all-time. Roo into top 10 and plays his 150th game this week.

Player Games Goals
1 Lockett, Tony 183 898
2 Mohr, Bill 195 735
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Gehrig, Fraser 145 390
5 Milne, Stephen 156 308
5 Breen, Barry 300 308
5 Davis, Allan 173 308
8 Neale, Kevin 256 301
9 Everitt, Peter 180 299
10 Riewoldt, Nick 149 289

 

[Squizz]

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Late mail - the comeback against Hawthorn (at 1/2 time) was the fifth best in the club's entire history :

1 48 St Kilda 1.8 (14) vs Richmond 9.8 (62) 1975 11 Wav

2 34 St Kilda 2.8 (20) vs Melbourne 7.12 (54) 1974 2 MCG

3 30 St Kilda 4.8 (32) vs Hawthorn 9.8 (62) 1976 12 OO

4 29 St Kilda 4.2 (26) vs Footscray 9.1 (55) 1972 3 Mor

5 28 St Kilda 6.3 (39) vs Hawthorn 10.7 (67) 2008 16 TD

I should've started following the Saints earlier - four big comebacks in five seasons.

 

[Fehring]

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This updated one tells no lies:

Best Comebacks – ½ time (1986-2008)
# Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 28 St Kilda 6.3 (39) vs Hawthorn 10.7 (67) 2008 16 TD
2 27 St Kilda 8.4 (52) vs Geelong 12.7 (79) 1999 10 SS
2 27 St Kilda 9.1 (55) vs Hawthorn 13.4 (82) 1998 4 Wav
4 25 St Kilda 4.8 (32) vs Sydney 9.3 (57) 1994 7 SCG
5 24 St Kilda 4.9 (33) vs Footscray 8.9 (57) 1995 7 Wav
6 22 St Kilda 8.7 (55) vs Geelong 12.5 (77) 1988 8 SS
7 19 St Kilda 7.6 (48) vs Richmond 10.7 (67) 1997 9 Wav
7 19 St Kilda 7.9 (51) vs Bris Bears 11.4 (70) 1989 1 Mor
9 17 St Kilda 7.4 (46) vs Hawthorn 10.3 (63) 2001 22 MCG
10 16 St Kilda 4.3 (27) vs Nth Melb 6.7 (43) 2008 14 Car
10 16 St Kilda 4.3 (27) vs Fremantle 6.7 (43) 2002 17 OO
10 16 St Kilda 4.6 (30) vs W Bulldogs 7.4 (46) 1999 4 Wav
13 15 St Kilda 9.8 (62) vs Sydney 12.5 (77) 1997 19 SCG
14 14 St Kilda 4.6 (30) vs Essendon 6.8 (44) 2006 15 MCG
14 14 St Kilda 7.9 (51) vs Essendon 9.11 (65) 1997 8 MCG
14 14 St Kilda 7.7 (49) vs Fitzroy 10.3 (63) 1990 20 Mor
17 12 St Kilda 7.6 (48) vs Collingwood 9.6 (60) 1996 7 MCG
18 11 St Kilda 7.5 (47) vs Richmond 9.4 (58) 2008 7 TD
18 11 St Kilda 9.4 (58) vs Richmond 10.9 (69) 1998 11 Wav
18 11 St Kilda 5.6 (36) vs Collingwood 7.5 (47) 1987 21 Mor

What's amazing about this list is that you have to go back to #14 to find anything from our golden years of 2004-06 and to number 9 to find anything from the 2000s at all. Sure, we've won a lot of games but the rule of thumb has been - put a four goal space on us, and you've probably got us on toast. Nice to see we've broken that thumb.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

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What's amazing about this list is that you have to go back to #14 to find anything from our golden years of 2004-06 and to number 9 to find anything from the 2000s at all. Sure, we've won a lot of games but the rule of thumb has been - put a four goal space on us, and you've probably got us on toast. Nice to see we've broken that thumb.

Spot on Fez.

With that win against the Bombers that was only by a point.

So to turn around a sizeable deficit and come away with a sizeable win is something that hasn't been seen in a long time.

Even the steadying win against the Blues when they came at us with a fantastic sign.

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Marks
Rank Name Games Total
1 Nick Riewoldt 16 162
2 Sam Fisher 17 144
3 Brendon Goddard 15 113
4 Robert Harvey 16 92
5 Justin Koschitzke 14 88

Tackles
Rank Name Games Total
1 Lenny Hayes 16 96
2 Luke Ball 17 93
3 Leigh Montagna 17 55
4 Nick Dal Santo 16 52
5 Jason Gram 17 38
5 Sean Dempster 14 38
5 Clinton Jones 12 38

Goal Assists
Rank Name Games Total
1 Nick Riewoldt 16 18
2 Stephen Milne 16 13
2 Nick Dal Santo 16 13
4 Leigh Montagna 17 12
5 Luke Ball 17 10
5 Robert Harvey 16 10
5 Justin Koschitzke 14 10

Frees Against
Rank Name Games Total
1 Jason Blake 15 25
2 Brendon Goddard 15 24
3 Stephen Milne 16 22
4 Lenny Hayes 16 21
4 Steven King 14 21

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Best Comebacks - 3/4 time (1986-2008)
# Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 38 St Kilda 8.10 (58) vs Sydney 15.6 (96) 1994 7 SCG
2 19 St Kilda 12.7 (79) vs Geelong 15.8 (98) 1999 10 SS
3 18 St Kilda 10.13 (73) vs West Coast 14.7 (91) 1998 6 Sub
4 17 St Kilda 11.12 (78) vs Fitzroy 15.5 (95) 1990 20 Mor
5 16 St Kilda 6.7 (43) vs Nth Melb 8.11 (59) 2008 14 Car
5 16 St Kilda 13.12 (90) vs Sydney 16.10 (106) 1997 19 SCG
7 14 St Kilda 13.7 (85) vs Sydney 14.15 (99) 1991 9 SCG
8 13 St Kilda 8.16 (64) vs Richmond 11.11 (77) 1989 10 Wav
8 13 St Kilda 9.10 (64) vs Port Adelaide 12.5 (77) 2008 18 TD

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Player Games Goals
1 Lockett, Tony 183 898
2 Mohr, Bill 195 735
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Gehrig, Fraser 145 390
5 Milne, Stephen 160 316
6 Breen, Barry 300 308
6 Davis, Allan 173 308
8 Riewoldt, Nick 153 304
9 Neale, Kevin 256 301
10 Everitt, Peter 180 299

Milne has 5th (all-time) to himself with Riewoldt 5 goals short of being 6th.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

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Don't know what sort of Statistic it is, but Sam Fisher has the highest average weekly dreamteam score of all defenders.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

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How many games have we won when behind at quarter time?

 

[Persevering Saint]

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Don't know what sort of Statistic it is, but Sam Fisher has the highest average weekly dreamteam score of all defenders.

And STILL won't make the AA team...

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Lots (over 250 times in our very long history). Note (in the dark dim days pre-Telstra Dome) we also used to play in the wind which often favoured one end of the ground. The Moorabbin wind was a ripper - whoever designed the grandstand to not block the southerly wind was a numbnut).

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

And STILL won't make the AA team...

The commentators hardly seem to notice how good the bloke is. Cannot believe he didn't make it last year so nothing will surprise this year.

 

[TassieSaint]

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If Milburn makes the AA team before Fisher there will be holes in several walls in my house. If Harley makes the AA team before Fisher the selectors will be recieving death threats. If Enright makes the AA team before Fisher I will be burning down AFL house. If Andrew ****ing Mackie makes it before Fisher there will be no survivors. Unfortunately judging by last year all 4 will make it ahead of Chips >: [

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

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If Milburn makes the AA team before Fisher there will be holes in several walls in my house. If Harley makes the AA team before Fisher the selectors will be recieving death threats. If Enright makes the AA team before Fisher I will be burning down AFL house. If Andrew ****ing Mackie makes it before Fisher there will be no survivors. Unfortunately judging by last year all 4 will make it ahead of Chips >: [

Fully agree regarding Milburn, Mackie and, to a lesser extent though, Enright.

Harley, however, had a very good year - maybe even better than Scarlett.

Harley is good because he reads the play very well and, as we are constantly reminded of by Robert Walls and company, marks more balls from opposition passes than any other player in the AFL.

Scarlett is good because of his speed and athletic ability. He can run forwards off their feet and be far more damaging with his attack than his forward (whom he'll often take care of on the way).

One could argue that Fisher is a combination of both. He is a first class defender by now, he has very strong hands (only Richo and Riewoldt have taken more marks this season), is quick and has an attacking mindset (one of the best goals I have seen was his run over the entire ground with a quick one - two pass in the middle in 2006 against Geelong).

Were he playing for Geelong, his odds for AA would be 1.00.

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Is there still time for Matthew Egan to get back and take it off Sammy again?

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Greatest Margins
Rec By Team Score vs Team Score Year Rd Gnd
1 139 St Kilda 28.18 (186) vs Bris Lions 7.5 (47) 2005 22 TD
2 131 St Kilda 24.18 (162) vs Adelaide 4.7 (31) 1991 7 Mor
3 120 St Kilda 27.12 (174) vs Bris Bears 7.12 (54) 1991 23 Mor
4 110 St Kilda 23.23 (161) vs Fitzroy 7.9 (51) 1970 2 JO
5 109 St Kilda 20.24 (144) vs Hawthorn 5.5 (35) 1950 2 JO
6 108 St Kilda 21.21 (147) vs Essendon 5.9 (39) 2008 22 TD
6 108 St Kilda 31.10 (196) vs Carlton 13.10 (88) 2004 10 TD
6 108 St Kilda 25.18 (168) vs Bris Bears 9.6 (60) 1992 10 Mor

 

[Squizz]

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Roo into 6th all-time at just 25 years of age :

Player Games Goals
1 Lockett, Tony 183 898
2 Mohr, Bill 195 735
3 Loewe, Stewart 321 594
4 Gehrig, Fraser 145 390
5 Milne, Stephen 162 325
6 Riewoldt, Nick 155 311
7 Breen, Barry 300 308
7 Davis, Allan 173 308
9 Neale, Kevin 256 301
10 Everitt, Peter 180 299

 

[Squizz]

Re: Lies Lies Damn Statistics

Interestingly (to me anyway) this is the 5th season in a row that Milne has played 21 games or more.

I had not realised he was so resilient, but the recent fracture at Subi shows he's got some guts.

 

[Persevering Saint]

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Saints have more finals game experience than any other team in the 2008 finals.