Is Jericho Finished?

[King Elvis]

Kenny Mac has a second year on his contract. He'll still be around, and still be blamed for everything.

I think Jericho (if he does finish up this year) is going into the Adelaide board whipping boy hall of fame. He's up there with David Gallagher and Matthew Smith, a notch ahead of Perrie.

I bagged Perrie a fair bit (a lot), but his application and effort could never be questioned - just his ability.

If he had half of the talent Jericho is supposed to have, Perrie would've been a star.

 

[Drummond]

Jenny Jericho; he has had plenty of chances... but his time is now up. Delist, trade, ask Madonna to adopt him. Anything to get him out of the club. I even cut him some slack earlier this year but I've had enough now.

Cmon RL, Jericho needs 22 games straight, no if's no but's, just 22 straight games so we can make a decision...

Jenny, can you please get real?

 

[swanfan]

Jenny, you are going to have to take off the blinkers. Jericho has been given plenty of chances and has not performed on a consistent basis. One good game out of every five isn't enough justification to keep him on the list.

 

[Crow-mo]

Oh FFS now we bring out some heresay to stick the boots in?? I suppose you believe everything you hear on the radio/read in the paper.

Players DO congratulate him when he kicks goals. What an absolute crock of horseshit. If he was that hated at the club he would already have been dropped. No point in keeping a player on the list that nobody would want to play with. Ive personally spoken to at least four of our players about him (both senior and junior) and they all spoke about him in generally glowing terms.

if he were as unpopular as some say, he wouldn't be out with the guys to know that curfew was broken...

 

[Crow-mo]

I wouldn't be so sure Kenny's going.

For starters, he's a 10 year, 150 game player. His salary won't be minimum wage. It won't be as easy to cover as, say, Obst's was a few years ago.

For seconds, although we might lose a high paid veteran or two, we've got a few due for pay rises too. Knights, Porps, Bock and Rutten all re-signed earlier this year for starters, and all will be (one would imagine) pocketing more in 2009 than in 2008. The spare salary we might have from a retirement elsewhere might get eaten up.

nicely put. agree.

 

[cmndstab]

I wouldn't be so sure Kenny's going.

For starters, he's a 10 year, 150 game player. His salary won't be minimum wage. It won't be as easy to cover as, say, Obst's was a few years ago.

For seconds, although we might lose a high paid veteran or two, we've got a few due for pay rises too. Knights, Porps, Bock and Rutten all re-signed earlier this year for starters, and all will be (one would imagine) pocketing more in 2009 than in 2008. The spare salary we might have from a retirement elsewhere might get eaten up.

We're going to have to pay his salary either way, he's contracted to receive that amount of money. The only issue is whether or not we pay his salary out and recruit another rookie in his place or not - which means the difference between base salary and nothing, not Ken's dollar value and nothing.

 

[Crow-mo]

We're going to have to pay his salary either way, he's contracted to receive that amount of money. The only issue is whether or not we pay his salary out and recruit another rookie in his place or not - which means the difference between base salary and nothing, not Ken's dollar value and nothing.

yes, that's the point.

 

[marvin]

We're going to have to pay his salary either way, he's contracted to receive that amount of money. The only issue is whether or not we pay his salary out and recruit another rookie in his place or not - which means the difference between base salary and nothing, not Ken's dollar value and nothing.

I know what you are saying, but to pay McGregor out and then put a rookie in his place means that the incremental cost of doing that is the two salaries combined (McGregor + rookie). I can't see a club as conservative as ours being happy to do this - especially as recent history shows the rookie is unlikely to play more than 20 minutes at AFL level in 2009, whereas McGregor just might.

 

[macca23]

I know I've already said I think he'll be delisted.... but...(and I know this will NOT be popular ) we are desperate for goal kicking forwards. Could we not play him for the last 5 games straight... no ands ifs or buts? Surely then we can delist him and not be left wondering what if? I've always thought his handling has been poor... dropped after playing good games, picked when not warranted. It's confusing as hell for the supporters, can't imagine what it would be like for the player. I just think if he was given 5 games (for arguments sake) straight, he might settle into a groove. Or he might crash and burn as most here expect. But we DO need experienced players that can kick goals (rather than robbing Peter to pay Paul) and we can ultimately answer the question as to whether he can make it at this level if given a decent chance. I honestly don't believe he's been given a decent enough chance at this level. In one week, out the next regardless of form. Just a thought.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I know I've already said I think he'll be delisted.... but...(and I know this will NOT be popular ) we are desperate for goal kicking forwards. Could we not play him for the last 5 games straight... no ands ifs or buts? Surely then we can delist him and not be left wondering what if? I've always thought his handling has been poor... dropped after playing good games, picked when not warranted. It's confusing as hell for the supporters, can't imagine what it would be like for the player. I just think if he was given 5 games (for arguments sake) straight, he might settle into a groove. Or he might crash and burn as most here expect. But we DO need experienced players that can kick goals (rather than robbing Peter to pay Paul) and we can ultimately answer the question as to whether he can make it at this level if given a decent chance. I honestly don't believe he's been given a decent enough chance at this level. In one week, out the next regardless of form. Just a thought.

Would also like to say when asked about his endeavour on the field (ie. the question was "do you think Jezza is any good?") the response from a senior player was "his footy instinct is brilliant and is best when he doesn't think about things too much".

I think we have clashed on this subject before Jenny, but here goes anyway.
What makes you think he has not been given a go, he has been on the list for 6 years, the club has persevered we him and he has been given opportunities.
My next question is why should the club give him more chances, surely Jericho at this stage of his career should be able to demand a spot in the 22 rather than be gifted games. Supporters continually say give him another chance, he is not a 1st, 2nd or 3rd year player.
If he had the ability he would be playing regular AFL, he is not good enough, so lets all stop the excuses!!

 

[Eastern Crow]

I wont buy in to the rumours, however based on opportunity and performance I would think both Jericho and McGregor will not be at the club next year

Specific to McGregor, I do not believe McGregor's contract situation will stop the crows from making the right decision, Kenny would only be on a footballers average salary, performance drives salaries.

The crows would not be struggling with salary cap pressures, we do not have a Judd or Brown salary type of player, some of our senior players have moved to reduced contracts, while some of our young lads are yet to put the consistent top tier performances on the board to demand a top tier salary

 

[jenny61_99]

Cmon RL, Jericho needs 22 games straight, no if's no but's, just 22 straight games so we can make a decision...

Jenny, can you please get real?

No, I said FIVE games. Not 22. And the only reason I have suggested it AT ALL is because we are sorely lacking goal kickers in OUR team (of which he is STILL a listed player) at this very moment in time. The lad may have been on our books for 6 years but he's never been given a decent crack at it, not really. Consider Tippett this year.... played every game until this one. Jericho has never been given that same opportunity. And no he's not half the player of Tippy, I agree... BUT he HAS been dropped after playing relatively good games. Then he's been called up even when not in good SANFL form. Like I said before - if WE are confused, what the hell do you think it's been like for him?

I am being real Drummond. We have a shortfall in our playing list at the moment which he could fill. Whether you like him or his endeavour or not is irrelevant. He CAN and DOES kick goals... and as we've not kicked many goals in the last six weeks, you'd think it would be a priority.

But as I also said before, I am a realist... I know, you know and everyone else knows he's gone at year's end. That should make you very happy.

 

[swanfan]

No, I said FIVE games. Not 22. And the only reason I have suggested it AT ALL is because we are sorely lacking goal kickers in OUR team (of which he is STILL a listed player) at this very moment in time. The lad may have been on our books for 6 years but he's never been given a decent crack at it, not really. Consider Tippett this year.... played every game until this one. Jericho has never been given that same opportunity. And no he's not half the player of Tippy, I agree... BUT he HAS been dropped after playing relatively good games. Then he's been called up even when not in good SANFL form. Like I said before - if WE are confused, what the hell do you think it's been like for him?

I am being real Drummond. We have a shortfall in our playing list at the moment which he could fill. Whether you like him or his endeavour or not is irrelevant. He CAN and DOES kick goals... and as we've not kicked many goals in the last six weeks, you'd think it would be a priority.

But as I also said before, I am a realist... I know, you know and everyone else knows he's gone at year's end. That should make you very happy.

Time to let it go, like a child having to part with its favourtie toy.

 

[jenny61_99]

Time to let it go, like a child having to part with its favourtie toy.

Ive still got at least five weeks to stick up for him dammit! Can't just stop cold turkey.

 

[jackster83]

It'd be great IMO if he came into the side next week and kicked a bag just to wipe the smiles off the faces of some of the people in here. Look, you can bag him as a player, criticize his defensive pressure (or lack thereof) but FFS don't have a crack at him as a person. All this crap about him dobbing others in and that the team mates don't like him. Look at the footage of the players celebrating after the showdown win in round 3: they all seemed pretty damn bonded to me especially as he came on after being pole-axed.

In all reality he will be delisted but some people here are carrying on like he's a dud race horse they poured their live savings into...

 

[macca23]

Like I said before - if WE are confused, what the hell do you think it's been like for him?

As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger when the latter said while surrounded by hostile Indians "we are in big trouble here Tonto" - "what you mean WE paleface?".

I'm not confused, Drummond's not confused, 99% of Crows supporters are not confused, jenny. You are definitely using the royal "we" here.

Jericho has ability but after 6 years enough is enough. He still has not corrected his weaknesses which have been well documented, which is obviously the reason that Johnny Reid always speaks of him in somewhat disparaging terms.

We don't need to see him play any more - we are not confused. He should be delisted.

PS I admire your loyalty and persistence, but certainly not the object of these attributes.

 

[cmndstab]

I know what you are saying, but to pay McGregor out and then put a rookie in his place means that the incremental cost of doing that is the two salaries combined (McGregor + rookie). I can't see a club as conservative as ours being happy to do this - especially as recent history shows the rookie is unlikely to play more than 20 minutes at AFL level in 2009, whereas McGregor just might.

A rookie is unlikely to play in 2009, sure, but a rookie picked up at the end of this season could play in 2010, unlike a rookie picked up at the end of next season.

Still, I guess we'll see when the time comes!

 

[jenny61_99]

As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger when the latter said while surrounded by hostile Indians "we are in big trouble here Tonto" - "what you mean WE paleface?".

I'm not confused, Drummond's not confused, 99% of Crows supporters are not confused, jenny. You are definitely using the royal "we" here.

Jericho has ability but after 6 years enough is enough. He still has not corrected his weaknesses which have been well documented, which is obviously the reason that Johnny Reid always speaks of him in somewhat disparaging terms.

We don't need to see him play any more - we are not confused. He should be delisted.

PS I admire your loyalty and persistence, but certainly not the object of these attributes.

I say WE... not in the royal sense....

You say you don't understand why he gets selected, I say I don't understand why he gets dropped after a good game.... confusion reigns supreme.

 

[Ad76]

Just on Kenny, there's no doubt that he's far from our best 22 but with Bassett potentially in his last year he does add some backline depth.

Lose Bock, Rutten or even both to injury next year and the options are pretty slim.

Moran
Stevens
Hentshell

Kenny is probably cheap enough, already contracted, experienced, servicable as a defender ,and we can afford the list spot for another year. Honestly, i think he's worth keeping as an insurance policy even though i do cringe every time i see him selected on a Thursday

 

[maccas_no1]

Finished for sure after his heartless effort against Port Power.

 

[RoosterLad]

Finished for sure after his heartless effort against Port Power.

Yeah but he CAN and DOES kick goals maccas, he kicked like heaps of goals against Port Power.

 

[budget]

I know I've already said I think he'll be delisted.... but...(and I know this will NOT be popular ) we are desperate for goal kicking forwards. Could we not play him for the last 5 games straight... no ands ifs or buts? Surely then we can delist him and not be left wondering what if? I've always thought his handling has been poor... dropped after playing good games, picked when not warranted. It's confusing as hell for the supporters, can't imagine what it would be like for the player. I just think if he was given 5 games (for arguments sake) straight, he might settle into a groove. Or he might crash and burn as most here expect. But we DO need experienced players that can kick goals (rather than robbing Peter to pay Paul) and we can ultimately answer the question as to whether he can make it at this level if given a decent chance. I honestly don't believe he's been given a decent enough chance at this level. In one week, out the next regardless of form. Just a thought.

Would also like to say when asked about his endeavour on the field (ie. the question was "do you think Jezza is any good?") the response from a senior player was "his footy instinct is brilliant and is best when he doesn't think about things too much".

when someone like jericho continually looks at the opponent instead of having his head over the ball, always hears footsteps and never uses the pace that god gave him then he most certainly has had enough chances. hes bloody lucky to have played as many games as he had.

 

[johnnypanther]

I know what you are saying, but to pay McGregor out and then put a rookie in his place means that the incremental cost of doing that is the two salaries combined (McGregor + rookie). I can't see a club as conservative as ours being happy to do this - especially as recent history shows the rookie is unlikely to play more than 20 minutes at AFL level in 2009, whereas McGregor just might.

Whether McGregor gets delisted or stays, his salary remains in our salary cap, therefore the only additional cost to our cap if we delisted him would be the cost of the young draftee replacing him.
I would have thought that the incremental cost of 1 young draftee would not cause any problems in our salary cap - i would be disappointed if our list/cap was at that stage now.

In any case one wouldnt expect that a player drafted at the end of this year would get a game in Y2009 (especially with the Crows ) , however, for the cost of a minimal amount (i dont know what draftees get paid) we at least get a young drafted player at pick no xx (in lieu of McGregor) with the youngster having a future potential value - and this is a draft that we want maximum exposure in. Particularly as it appears that clubs will/should this year place a reasonably speculative youngster(s) bottom aged on the main list (similar to what we did with Kite last year).

It will obviously be clearer as to who stays/goes as the season progresses and when we know what rookie(s) are being upgraded or retained on rookie list plus any trades (in/out) plus any retirees due to injury etc plus the number of live picks we then want to have in the draft itself.

 

[PCORF]

Medhurst shits all over Jericho. I'd have Medhurst in my team that's for sure. He'd almost be close to pushing for AA this year even.

I'd have him too, plus Alan Didak, Dale Thomas and Travis Cloke.

 

[Porps is a star!!]

I'd have him too, plus Alan Didak, Dale Thomas and Travis Cloke.

At least then i'd have a new player to cringe at the site of... those players are all very inconsistent don't bring them up... Much rather take a chance in the draft as we have a good record with late picks. Do you think we could convince Freo that Jericho was a good player?? Come back Pav Come Back....