Essendon 2011

[TownleyTime]

Would you agree that 2005 was Luke Balls best season? Well, if you compare Ball 2005 to Watson 2010, Watson beats him in just about every stat imaginable. Possesions, clearences, contested possesions, hard ball gets, 1st possesions.....the list goes on.

In 2005, Luke Ball achieved AA Honours & won a B&F at a top 4 side. It's really pointless comparing clearances, contested disposals, hard ball gets & 1st possesions b/c he wasn't an inside player then. Lenny Hayes was St. Kilda's inside player/extractor that year.

When he got injured, he lost his ability to kick plus 50 metres with ease & a yard of pace. 2 components Watson has & will never have.

 

[QuietB]

If Adelaide were going for a matched up opponent on Watson they would have put Thompson, not a guy who does a tagging role nearly every week in Reilly. Face it, Adelaide tag Watson. As do most other teams in the league.

True on Collingwood though, I didn't see them as having a genuine tagger until Wellingham stepped into that role in 2010. He did it well too.

It is not like there is anyone else worth tagging. That seems to be the general consensus of all non essedon supporters in this thread and the underlying reason why they might struggle to improve.

 

[overtheline]

Hawthorn didn't finish in the 8, mate.

Well, who did Freo beat in the first final at home then?

Was I imagining things?

 

[overtheline]

If you had a league ladder of the best midfields and compared it to the actual league ladder, they would be remarkably similar.

Essendon seem to be developing a half decent list of young talls (whether they are going to be mature enough in 2011 is another question) but their midfield is very poor.

Its not a trade secret. Its a well acknowledged fact.

Interesting concept TFT.

I would, however, suggest that RIchmond's midfield is far better than second last( ir better than Essendons!)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well, who did Freo beat in the first final at home then?

Was I imagining things?

He's talking about 2009.

Some Essendon supporters had it in their head that because they defeated us in Rnd 22 without Franklin and Roughead they were to go on into 2010 and finish higher again as they were the superior team.
Sadly for them, the 96pt drubbing in the first final was more of an indication of what lay in store.
Hawthorn supporters expected that we'd be back into contention for 2010, and the first 7 rounds killed that hope.

As it stands Essendon need to improve incredibly to get anywhere near the finals for 2011.

 

[GuzzLG]

Hawthorn supporters expected that we'd be back into contention for 2010, and the first 7 rounds killed that hope.

Clearly a moronic expectation given that 2009 was all that there was to go by.

 

[SirJimi05]

If you had a league ladder of the best midfields and compared it to the actual league ladder, they would be remarkably similar.

So Essendon had the 8th best midfield in 2009?

You rated Ess mids higher than the Roos and I am clueless. Put a poll up and see what the public think. You will end up embarrassed.

You are clueless because you are a lying troll. When did I say Essendon has a better midfield than North? All you do is lie and troll. 900+ posts out of 950 about Essendon says it all.

In 2005, Luke Ball achieved AA Honours & won a B&F at a top 4 side. It's really pointless comparing clearances, contested disposals, hard ball gets & 1st possesions b/c he wasn't an inside player then. Lenny Hayes was St. Kilda's inside player/extractor that year.

When he got injured, he lost his ability to kick plus 50 metres with ease & a yard of pace. 2 components Watson has & will never have.

Yes he was and he has never been able to kick 50 metres. Ball built his reputation on being a fearless warrior and a tackling machine. He never had great skills and was never quick.

Well, who did Freo beat in the first final at home then?

Was I imagining things?

Freo didn't play finals either, mate. You are definitely imagining things.

 

[DVD Player]

As depressing as Essendon people comparing Watson to the greek God Atlas? And Sir Jim ranking your mids higher than North? Surely you must shake your head at that. If the Roos do not have you covered then you are as biased and one eyed as Sir Jim. You went for KPP when we went for mids and that is now showing. And the one mid you went for early - Myers - looks like a plodder.

You finished 3rd last for a reason. Sure you can improve but will you improve more than Melb or Adel or Port or Richmond or the Roos? If not you will be a cert for bottom 4 - again.

Atlas was a Titan btw... Just sayin'

I agree with the general idea that North's mids are superior to those at Essendon...

 

[SirJimi05]

He's talking about 2009.

Some Essendon supporters had it in their head that because they defeated us in Rnd 22 without Franklin and Roughead they were to go on into 2010 and finish higher again as they were the superior team.
Sadly for them, the 96pt drubbing in the first final was more of an indication of what lay in store.
Hawthorn supporters expected that we'd be back into contention for 2010, and the first 7 rounds killed that hope.

As it stands Essendon need to improve incredibly to get anywhere near the finals for 2011.

Nice way to deflect the way you were constantly talking about Hawthorn as premiership threats for the whole off season.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Clearly a moronic expectation given that 2009 was all that there was to go by.

Expectation was that the injury run wouldn't continue.

Adelaide are the hot tip to rise in 2011, as they had a similar 2010, injury wise.

Anyway, this thread is about Essendon and whether it can get off the bottom of the ladder, not Hawthorn.

 

[TownleyTime]

Yes he was and he has never been able to kick 50 metres. Ball built his reputation on being a fearless warrior and a tackling machine. He never had great skills and was never quick.

You clearly have no idea.

[youtube]JUQ_MhVFGvM[/youtube]

He looks pretty quick & can quick easily over 50 metres in that video. He only became an inside player when he lost the ability to be a damaging outside player, as that video demostrates.

I seriously feel sad for you if you feel Watson has gone close to reaching the standard Ball got to in 05'

 

[GuzzLG]

Expectation was that the injury run wouldn't continue.

So you can take other things into account besides the previous years ladder?

Nice contradiction.

 

[SirJimi05]

You clearly have no idea.

[youtube]JUQ_MhVFGvM[/youtube]

He looks pretty quick & can quick easily over 50 metres in that video. He only became an inside player when he lost the ability to be a damaging outside player, as that video demostrates.

I seriously feel sad for you if you feel Watson has gone close to reaching the standard Ball got to in 05'

Biggest kick in that video was just over 40 metres and I didn't see any vision at all showing that he was quick.

Funny that the St Kilda people were talking about his inside ball winning ability, his fearless attitute and about how he treats his injuries as a badge of honour. Pretty much exactly what I said.

Your Essendon hate is blinding you. Watson's 2010 was comparable to Ball's 2005. Yes, one guy won a B&F in a top 4 team, but the other guy carried a team on his own back. As Greg Williams says, you will be hard pressed finding a a player that has as much influence for his team than what Jobe Watson does.

 

[SirJimi05]

Expectation was that the injury run wouldn't continue.

Adelaide are the hot tip to rise in 2011, as they had a similar 2010, injury wise.

Anyway, this thread is about Essendon and whether it can get off the bottom of the ladder, not Hawthorn.

Wow you pulled the injury card out yet again.

Stop contradicting yourself.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

So you can take other things into account besides the previous years ladder?

Nice contradiction.

I never said you couldn't.
Just that if you're wondering why people are talking about Essendon like they are crap, it's because in 2010 you were.

I'll say it again.
Until 2011 proves otherwise, Essendon will be viewed as a poor team.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So Essendon had the 8th best midfield in 2009?

I said the ladders would be similar,not identical.

There have been millions of posts explaining how Essendon over-performed in 2009 and fell into the 8 with only 10 and a half wins. All vindicated after their 2010 performance.

 

[TownleyTime]

Your Essendon hate is blinding you. Watson's 2010 was comparable to Ball's 2005. Yes, one guy won a B&F in a top 4 team, but the other guy carried a team on his own back. As Greg Williams says, you will be hard pressed finding a a player that has as much influence for his team than what Jobe Watson does.

You're getting hate confused with pity at delusion.

How do you exactly carry a side that finished 14th? Are Essendon that poor of a side that without Watson, they would finish bottom of the ladder?

I could name at least 15 players who have a far bigger influence to their team than Watson.

 

[DVD Player]

I never said you couldn't.
Just that if you're wondering why people are talking about Essendon like they are crap, it's because in 2010 you were.

I'll say it again.
Until 2011 proves otherwise, Essendon will be viewed as a poor team.

Have to agree. We were downright terrible last year, for whatever reason, and unless we play better, consistent footy in 2011, we will continue to be perceived as a poor team. Makes sense to me...

 

[SirJimi05]

You're getting hate confused with pity at delusion.

How do you exactly carry a side that finished 14th? Are Essendon that poor of a side that without Watson, they would finish bottom of the ladder?

I could name at least 15 players who have a far bigger influence to their team than Watson.

Because Essendon's number 2 inside ball winner this season was a kid playing in his first season. Teams knew that if they could stop Watson from extracting the pill they would win. He still managed to average over 27 disposals per game.

Still waiting on you to let me know exactly what times I should be checking on that video. Let me know where I can find all the 50 metre kicks and pieces of play showing Ball's speed.

 

[TownleyTime]

Because Essendon's number 2 inside ball winner this season was a kid playing in his first season.

That is more of a reflection of how poor Essendon's midfield is rather than Watson's influence on the team. Do you seriously believe a Jobe Watson has more influence on his team, than say a Sandilands at Fremantle?

Teams knew that if they could stop Watson from extracting the pill they would win.

Jobe Watson has & will never be known as a match winner. Opposition coaches devise gameplans & systems to stop the likes of Buddy Franklin, Nick Riewoldt, Chris Judd, Jonathon Brown & the like.

If opposition coaches were hellbent on stopping Jobe Watson, they wouldn't have sent their number 1 tagger to Stanton.

 

[happy_punter]

essendon will win less than 7 games in 2011

 

[brad]

essendon will win less than 7 games in 2011

If you're so smart put a number on it and name the games.

While you're at it give us a figure on your own team and who you will beat.

Will look forward to keeping track of this one.

 

[E Shed]

I went against the tide last year and said Essendon were underrated.
Not doing the same thing this year!

 

[brad]

I went against the tide last year and said Essendon were underrated.
Not doing the same thing this year!

LOL good on you.

 

[SA HAWK]

Bombers could surprise a few this year.

I would expect about 10 wins.