Conspiracy Theory Proof 9/11 was an Inside Job?

[Stocks_go_Up]

You are clearly not a professional in any technical or scientific vocation. Plus, incredulously gullible (if you even get that).

Don't believe a missile painted as an American Airlines jet was blasted into the Pentagon = gullible How do you function in society? Do your friends hold the same beliefs as you about 9/11?

 

[vealesy]

Found in the Pentagon along with all the other bits of plane.

And the other 2?

 

[exe ex machina]

SkyWarrior (plane) painted as AA, not the missile.

Entry and exit hole of Pentagon consistent with missile entry/exit holes in Bosnia and Naval ships.

Doctored Pentagon carpark cam. That it is doctored alone says a lot. There was also a study done on film frame rates and object sizes and their velocity. Proving that a Boeing would have been visible entirely in one frame at the frame rate and aspect ratio of the carpark Pentagon camera. Will try to find the link, not that any of the naysayers ever want to genuinely consider valid evidence that in any way suggests the O/S is incorrect.

 

[Daytripper]

Note how GG and Vealesy steadfastly refuse to address the huge issue of where the missing plane and its passengers are.

This is not a minor details, guys.

Maybe the answer lies in the bottom of your mix bowl.

 

[exe ex machina]

While I find the film study link, someone want to debunk this for me? I'm open to reading something that tackles the following info.

The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulates a Boeing 757 crashing into the building.

Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

"In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon — but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say."

What happened at the Pentagon to the best of my knowledge is this: At 8:20am EDT, Flight 77 (the decoy) took off from Dulles International Airport is to be involved in a drill (Global Guardian '01) demonstrating the anti-hijacking system -- the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot -- Canada was selling the USA. The goal of the drill ... to successfully, electronically "hijack" Flight 77 then land it safely to a predetermined location.

It involved two teams -- red team attackers and blue team defenders. The "target" of this drill is simulating a 757 crashing into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was a member of red team attackers acting as the "suicide plane." The blue team defenders were inside the Pentagon.

At 8:54am EDT, in the vicinity of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base (which happened to be participating in the Global Guardian '01 war game,) red team "hijacks" Flight 77 electronically by the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot through KU bandwidth via Wide Area Augmentation System and starts to head south then east.

Red team turns Flight 77's transponder off at 8:56am EDT.

As Flight 77 heads back east, while in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base airspace, a drone (a Raytheon A-3 Skywarrior in American Airlines 757 colors,) rendezvous behind Flight 77. Minutes later red team takes Flight 77 out and over Warning Area 386 (W-386) airspace and remotely detonates it.

The drone takes the place of the decoy (Flight 77.)

Blue team is oblivious to the fact that red team switched planes. Thinking it was Flight 77, the plane got within three minutes of the Pentagon. Captain Gerald DeConto, a member of blue team, recognized that a double-cross had taken place as Flight 77 (really the drone,) was supposed to turn around fly back to land at a specific location.

At around 9:37am EDT, DeConto was on the phone with Secretary of the Navy Gordon R. England attempting to get permission to launch defensive weapon(s) to defeat the A-3 as an AGM-12C missile flew through his window of the US Naval Command Center followed by the drone killing him instantly.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Don't believe a missile painted as an American Airlines jet was blasted into the Pentagon = gullible How do you function in society? Do your friends hold the same beliefs as you about 9/11?

I dont even know what my friends think about 9/11, I guess none of us have a strange obsession.

 

[Daytripper]

While I find the film study link, someone want to debunk this for me? I'm open to reading something that tackles the following info.

Hang on - that link does not reflect that passage you quoted.

Can you give us the real URL where you lifted that quote from please?

 

[exe ex machina]

Can't remember where I got it from, was years ago I copy-pasted it from some url, but this forum I just found has a whole section about the 9/11 War Games topic.

http://letsrollforums.com/war-games-911-archive-f59.html

It's probably in there. Tho, having a quick look thru some posts/topics, there's a lot of other good stuff I haven't seen mentioned before. Worth a read.
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[Daytripper]

Can't remember where I got it from, was years ago I copy-pasted it from some url, but this forum I just found has a whole section about the 9/11 War Games topic.

Ummm - so why post a URL from a legitimate news site but then quote a passage that has nothing to do with that news site ?

 

[Del80659]

this thread is horrifically sad to read but why expect otherwise on bigfooty?

 

[Dean3]

And the other 2?

You're not a 'holograms hit the WTC' nut are you?

 

[Helicopter Punt]

Note how GG and Vealesy steadfastly refuse to address the huge issue of where the missing plane and its passengers are.

This is not a minor details, guys.

Maybe the answer lies in the bottom of your mix bowl.

Ironically this is some leap of logic.
Are you saying it is impossible that something happened to the plane without Vealesy or GG having first hand knowledge??
If they can't explain it then it necessarily follows that it couldn't have happened, eh? Is your 'Vealesy/GG must be able to explain' logic applicable to all occurrences in the universe, all actions by US admin or only the plane?

 

[exe ex machina]

They'll criticize us as being utterly paranoid and lacking any faith in authority. However, they're placing an enormous amount of faith in a govt/intel. A govt/intel that is widely known to engage in false flag acts preceding and after 9/11. That has a reputation for lying and covering up small and large-scale atrocities, with thousands of examples of that in modern and recent history.

Just that alone derides them more than us, the odds far more in favor of there being deceit, conspiracy and pre-knowledge, than it does that the govt/intel was caught completely off guard and there is nothing suspect/contradictory about their official story and that their war in the middle-east is all noble.

They can't accept a notion of an inside job (govt/intel doing it all). But what about the more 'reasonable' notion that they let the terrorists get thru, and aided along by rigging the WTC and hitting the Pentagon? Taking it even further, even the notion that the govt/intel knew of an impending attack, exactly when/where, and let it all happen (assuming there was no controlled demolition and pentagon missile) they cannot accept.

There's already a wealth of evidence, from inside govt and intel, that already has proven that last case as a basic level of truth. And, what's funny is that even if they were to acknowledge here that the last case was something that they're more willing to accept, what they don't realize is that even that is just as bad as if the govt/intel had done it all themselves. They willfully turned their eyes away, curtailed ongoing intel investigations into Al Qaeda/OBL/etc, railroaded intel officers in those investigations, suppressed information, and allowed thousands of civilians to be murdered all in the name of utilizing Wolferwitz' (sp) middle eastern policy and war for money and way to bring in fascist control of american people, etc.

It's the same as a father/mother knowing that their daughter has a rich stalker, have been warned that he is on his way that night to their house to rape their daughter. So, leaving the door open, putting their daughter to bed, and driving up the road for a meal...is exactly the same as if they'd secretly hired someone to come and rape their daughter....is exactly the same as if they'd put on masks and r*ped their daughter themselves.

"Look at the opportunity, honey. Let our daughter be r*ped and it will give us the validity to sue him in civil court for millions of dollars." That's what it amounts to, whether the govt/intel did it all, aided along, or knew all along and willfully let it happen.

 

[Helicopter Punt]

Gov is made up of humans replete with human foibles. They wield enormous power.
To trust them implicitly is to be wonderfully naive.

 

[exe ex machina]

9/11 gave direct birth to Iraq Invasion. WMD was completely fabricated and covered up, we learned afterwards. The reason d'etre for 9/11 was trumped up and falsified, thus 9/11 itself. Pretty obvious. Have to be as thick as a plank to be still screaming so hard maintaining the 9/11 O/S as true WHILST aware that the whole WMD and ongoing-war was/is all fraudulent.

 

[bomberclifford]

It's the same as a father/mother knowing that their daughter has a rich stalker, have been warned that he is on his way that night to their house to rape their daughter. So, leaving the door open, putting their daughter to bed, and driving up the road for a meal...is exactly the same as if they'd secretly hired someone to come and rape their daughter....is exactly the same as if they'd put on masks and r*ped their daughter themselves.

"Look at the opportunity, honey. Let our daughter be r*ped and it will give us the validity to sue him in civil court for millions of dollars." That's what it amounts to, whether the govt/intel did it all, aided along, or knew all along and willfully let it happen.

You are one seriously disturbed individual.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

9/11 gave direct birth to Iraq Invasion. WMD was completely fabricated and covered up, we learned afterwards. The reason d'etre for 9/11 was trumped up and falsified, thus 9/11 itself. Pretty obvious. Have to be as thick as a plank to be still screaming so hard maintaining the 9/11 O/S as true WHILST aware that the whole WMD and ongoing-war was/is all fraudulent.

Not directly. You could claim that it gave direct birth to the Afghanistan war, ( which is still going ) but not Iraq.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

It's the same as a father/mother knowing that their daughter has a rich stalker, have been warned that he is on his way that night to their house to rape their daughter. So, leaving the door open, putting their daughter to bed, and driving up the road for a meal...is exactly the same as if they'd secretly hired someone to come and rape their daughter....is exactly the same as if they'd put on masks and r*ped their daughter themselves.

"Look at the opportunity, honey. Let our daughter be r*ped and it will give us the validity to sue him in civil court for millions of dollars." That's what it amounts to, whether the govt/intel did it all, aided along, or knew all along and willfully let it happen.

I give up on you, you are a twisted sick paranoid individual....

 

[exe ex machina]

You give up on me? lol, you're the pupil in this thread.

 

[MC Bad Genius]

You give up on me? lol, you're the pupil in this thread.

After reading this whole thread over months and months, I still have no idea whether you are trolling or 100% serious and more than a little delusional.

For what it's worth, I don't think that they knew about the events and let them happen. I think that they had various levels of intelligence that in hindsight they didn't pay enough attention to and in some ways, reacted extremely incompetently.

Your daughter rape analogy is irrelevant and pretty sick really.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Ah, the sound of crickets as the tumbleweed blows past.

You didn't really expect a substantive answer did you CM? If you played the man every time someone else offered an original thought would you then offer yours?

Deafenin', innit

 

[exe ex machina]

I don't think that they knew about the events and let them happen.

Of course you wouldn't, tho it's already established, at a most fundamental level, by govt and intel that they did know and went out of their way to let it happen. Govt/Intel willfully let thousands of their own citizens be murdered for war/oil/gain, and posters like you, emu and bomberclifford exemplify the amoral disconnect shown in your comments. That's real sickness.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Of course you wouldn't, tho it's already established, at a most fundamental level, by govt and intel that they did know and went out of their way to let it happen. Govt/Intel willfully let thousands of their own citizens be murdered for war/oil/gain, and posters like you, emu and bomberclifford exemplify the amoral disconnect shown in your comments. That's real sickness.

You need a psychological examination

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Of course you wouldn't, tho it's already established, at a most fundamental level, by govt and intel that they did know and went out of their way to let it happen. Govt/Intel willfully let thousands of their own citizens be murdered for war/oil/gain, and posters like you, emu and bomberclifford exemplify the amoral disconnect shown in your comments. That's real sickness.

The amoral disconnect? Because I don't agree the conspiracy theory that you claim has been proven at the most fundamental level? So if I disagree with your analysis of the available evidence I lack a true moral compass and I'm sick. I think I get it. I suppose I'm going to Hell for not believing too?

 

[tombomb]

You need a psychological examination

Dude - I don't know why you are continuing to post in here.

This place is just home to weirdos who sit around all day talking about how the government is after them and man never landed on the moon, and how the tooth fairy is running short on money and that's why they don't get money anymore when they put their teeth in a glass of water.

It's like having an argument with a bouncer ... despite your rational argument that he just let in 4 girls ... you are never going to convince him to change his mind.