Chris Judd - The Crime and the Punishment - 4 Weeks

[Farang83150]

If he doesn't pull 3 weeks min there is something very wrong...

 

[Call Me Cake]

Again, I'm not defending Judd at all. I'm defending the fact of what is worse and what sort of sentence he should get. Some of the rot on here is completely outrageous.

The punishment should fit the crime. It should also be used to provide a deterrent to others and set a precedent accordingly for future actions.

3-4 weeks.

 

[Tas]

What happened to thread title? I thought no dislocation actually occurred?

Do you value your BF account?

 

[Blue and Silver]

Watch from 0:14.

Judd never gets the arm extended behind the back, which is the position needed to dislocate the arm. When pushed away the damage is caused because the arm is turned at that point

 

[Admiral Byng]

I don't think you can argue that from the video at all. I reckon there was intent to cause pain, but the end result was way more than intended.

I think that is likely but it doesnm't make things any better. He should be judged on the damage actually done rather than the damage intended. There was no need to do it in the first place, if he misjudged the amount of damage it would do that's the risk he takes doing it.

 

[Dangas]

Oh please, Judd knew exactly what he was doing.

You simply cannot spin that, other than plea mental illness.

may have a case

 

[jonbe54]

Watch from 0:14.

Judd never gets the arm extended behind the back, which is the position needed to dislocate the arm. When pushed away the damage is caused because the arm is turned at that point

Oh so its now his team mates fault???

Judd is responsible for the arm being in that position in the first place with no plausible explanation for having lifted it there.

 

[THRILLHO]

Its a bit of the tall poppy sysndrome too. Until Friday night my only "gripe" about Judd was the way he overused the facial grimace each game. He really can't help that, and it is a trivial thing to focus on.

But now, Juddy has given us on a silver platter reason to question his integrity and character. I agree, this is going to be difficult to defend, and if CFC try to argue all he was doing was stopping Adams from handballing, the MRP / AFL better shoot that line down.

Completely disagree.

Thread would be three times bigger if Adams chicken winged Marc Murphy's left arm.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Watch from 0:14.

Judd never gets the arm extended behind the back, which is the position needed to dislocate the arm. When pushed away the damage is caused because the arm is turned at that point

You don't need to pull the arm back to dislocate the shoulder, that's ridiculous and your assumption with no knowledge of circumstances of injury.

The shoulder joint has the greatest range of motion of any joint in the body and as a result is particularly susceptible to dislocation. If you have ever been in the gym and have worked your shoulders, you will know that the shoulder can be injured/dislocated VERY easily as a result of an abnormal action.

It was reported by the North Melbourne doctor that the shoulder was pulled in and out of the socket, which lead to the dislocation and injury. And since Adams ALREADY had an injury to that area, it was common sense that it was a no-go area.

Watching the replay from 0:16, you can easily see Judd trying to pull the shoulder out of the socket, at which point Adams was writhing in pain for him to stop - he ONLY stopped when Swallow pushed him away.

There was also NO other reason for Judd to be in that position and orchestrating that act in the first place. Adams was on his stomach, with Judd's own teammate on his back, it had no place in the play whatsoever, negligence like that is not a part of the sport.

This, coupled with the fact that you can see Adams grab his shoulder immediately and instinctively - and the immediate reaction of his teammates - only a sub-human would try to morally construed that action in any other way other than a case of causing injury to an already injured, vulnerable, human being.

 

[Tas]

You don't need to pull the arm back to dislocate the shoulder, that's ridiculous and your assumption with no knowledge of circumstances of injury.

The shoulder joint has the greatest range of motion of any joint in the body and as a result is particularly susceptible to dislocation. If you have ever been in the gym and have worked your shoulders, you will know that the shoulder can be injured/dislocated VERY easily as a result of an abnormal action.

It was reported by the North Melbourne doctor that the shoulder was pulled in and out of the socket, which lead to the dislocation and injury. And since Adams ALREADY had an injury to that area, it was common sense that it was a no-go area.

Watching the replay, you can easily see Judd trying to pull the shoulder out of the socket, at which point Adams was writhing in pain for him to stop - he ONLY stopped when Swallow pushed him away.

There was also NO other reason for Judd to be in that position and orchestrating that act in the first place. Adams was on his stomach, with Judd's own teammate on his back, it had no place in the play whatsoever, it is not a part of the sport.

That is why the shoulder is the weakest joint in the body and why it is so easy to dislocate or damage the ligaments that hold it together, because they need to give such a large range of movement. If your shoulder becomes that bad they graft bone onto the socket to limit the range of motion and to prevent the socket from coming out easily.

 

[skipper kelly]

3 weeks so he misses the Sydney game.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Pretty stupid by Juddy, but bit a bit of perspective please.

Only an example, but what Wellingham did last week and what many others have done in the past have the potential to kill the person on the other end, maybe an exaggeration, but highly possible. What Judd did was never going to kill anyone. If indeed there was a dislocation, what is worse, a dislocated shoulder or a smashed face? Someone travelling like a freight train and smashing you in the face would most likely be a little more uncomfortabable than someone twisting your arm. IMO if Wellingham got 5 then Juddy will get maybe 3 or 2 down to 1 with the early plea. His previous record may come into it though, so 2 will be a good outcome. But there has been no precedent really in this case, but to say it was worse than Wellingham's, get a grip.

I'm not defending what Judd did for a second, but the reason why the commentators and/or media didn't jump on it straight away as they tend to be a little more balanced and not meant to show any bias. At the moment, it's pretty much Judd haters that are calling for larger penalties.

Just when you think you've seen all the arguments, someone weighs in and says that Judd should be shown leniency for not killing the bloke.

 

[Blue and Silver]

You don't need to pull the arm back to dislocate the shoulder, that's ridiculous and your assumption with no knowledge of circumstances of injury.

The shoulder joint has the greatest range of motion of any joint in the body and as a result is particularly susceptible to dislocation. If you have ever been in the Gym, you will know that the shoulder can be injured/dislocated VERY easily.

It was reported by the North Melbourne doctor that the shoulder was pulled in and out of the socket, which lead to the dislocation and injury. And since Adams ALREADY had an injury to that area, it was common sense that it was a no-go area.

Watching the replay, you can easily see Judd trying to pull the shoulder out of the socket, at which point Adams was writhing in pain for him to stop - he ONLY stopped when Swallow pushed him away.

What basis do you have to announce that the arm was definitively injured by Judd and not the wrenching?

If it is simply the gym then surely your knowledge base is as flawed as mine?

 

[Blue and Silver]

Oh so its now his team mates fault???

Judd is responsible for the arm being in that position in the first place with no plausible explanation for having lifted it there.

No I said that before. I hardly thought repeating myself was meritous

 

[Pat_Footy]

I thought Hunt was the most dog act but not as serious as Betts was uninjured.

Longergans tackle was fine and part of the game, unfortunate he got injured.

Judd was very dumb in what he did but I don't believe he had intent to injure or hurt Adams much like Lonergan.

I think Wellingham was reckless in the way he went about, not his intent to injure Simpson once again but copped his whack. Probably lucky not to get an extra week.

I just find it hard to believe that any player goes out of there way to cause serious injury to another player. Split second decisions can lead to it but I don't think players think of ways to injure an opponent.

Oh but he did. If his intent was to stop him from handballing out, he should have stopped at a reasonable angle. The North players weren't expecting him to keep pulling higher. Judd was watching Adams squirm and buck his legs in pain. Judd reminds me of boys that pull legs of ants or the wings off butterflys. Judd's heart started beating a little faster with the adrenaline pumping through... he just glazed his eyes and smiled.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Look I find it implausible that Judd managed to dislocate Adams shoulder simply by moving into the position it was in. If he had thrust it into that position he could of dislocated, but not like that. Still his fault, still needs to be punished.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Look I find it implausible that Judd managed to dislocate Adams shoulder simply by moving into the position it was in. If he had thrust it into that position he could of dislocated, but not like that. Still his fault, still needs to be punished.

Its implausible to think he had any other intention than to injure or hurt Adams.

And injure Adams he did.

Intent....tick
Result....tick

 

[DidakDelight]

will everyone shut up about Hunt?

They are totally separate incidents. Just because both were allegedly stop a handball means precisely zero

They are similar in that in both cases nobody except for Hunt & Judd can be 100% sure that the acts were deliberate.

In this case you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Dude Lebowski]

Just when you think you've seen all the arguments, someone weighs in and says that Judd should be shown leniency for not killing the bloke.

WTF. Way to misinterpret. There are some mental short people on here.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Oh but he did. If his intent was to stop him from handballing out, he should have stopped at a reasonable angle. .

He would have not used two hands either. Hed have used one hand on the wrist and with the other hand hed have tried to wrench the ball out.

Another way to stop him handballing would have been to drop to his knees and lock the ball in with his body. He never contemplated that. He stayed upright the whole time so he could get a better angle on the arm twist.

 

[jonesy86]

I think the AFL changed the rules after the Hall/Staker incident.

With Hall, he was given points that added up to 9 or 10 weeks but because he pleaded guilty only got 7.

Now if you get referred straight to the tribunal, you get no leniency for early plea.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Watch from 0:14.

Judd never gets the arm extended behind the back, which is the position needed to dislocate the arm. When pushed away the damage is caused because the arm is turned at that point

You are completely wrong. You have absolutely no knowledge in anatomy.... Please don't embarrass yourself further - a great % of people have been educated beyond yr 12 human biology.

 

[tacopavlich]

WTF. Way to misinterpret. There are some mental short people on here.

Pretty much sums up your post and most Carlton arguments.

 

[Sttew]

Completely disagree.

Thread would be three times bigger if Adams chicken winged Marc Murphy's left arm.

Don't get me wrong - what Judd did was a "dog" act, and indefensible, and I agree thread would be 3X bigger if a Nth players had done it to Murphy or Judd.

But I think many are getting perverse pleasure because it was Judd who did it, you know, the perfect footballer does wrong sort of thing

 

[kirbylovespurple]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/op...happy-to-see-judd-face-strong-arm-of-the-law/

Commetti's "opinion" on the chicken wing...