Combined Kurt Tippett contract negotiation/trade possibility thread

[jenny61_99]

Would your opinion change if it was established that Kurt signed a contract with the Gold Coast at the end of last season?

Yes, I would be very disappointed. And very surprised. I believe he was ready to sign with us in July but then the concussions happened and talks were put on hold. I still firmly believe the concussion issue is at the bottom of all this. The club appointment with his management up here last weekend was an appointment set up weeks before (before the third concussion).

There is no doubt that a fit and firing Kurt should increase our chance of success in September but answer this. Was the 2010 Geelong preliminary final team better or worse than the 2011 grand final team?

Out from 2010 was Gary Ablett, Milburn, Byrnes and Mooney replaced by Duncan, Mackie, Christensen and West. Many Geelong stars (Bartel, Corey, Ling, Stevie J, Chapman, Scarlett, Enright, Kelly and Ottens) were closer to their peak in 2010. Never under estimate the impact of team spirit and Kurt sure as hell isn't helping ours.

I'd like to see tangible evidence that this issue is affecting our team spirit. Not the read between the lines conspiracy theorist assumptions, but real, tangible evidence.

There's no doubt as a club we'd like to have him locked away before the finals start. No doubt. And because I know this is not about the money, I believe they are waiting to see how he fares in the remaining games before making their final decision.

 

[ManInTheArena]

And because I know this is not about the money

How do you know this?

 

[jenny61_99]

How do you know this?

Tomato and BBQ.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Was the 2010 Geelong preliminary final team better or worse than the 2011 grand final team?

Out from 2010 was Gary Ablett, Milburn, Byrnes and Mooney replaced by Duncan, Mackie, Christensen and West. Many Geelong stars (Bartel, Corey, Ling, Stevie J, Chapman, Scarlett, Enright, Kelly and Ottens) were closer to their peak in 2010. Never under estimate the impact of team spirit and Kurt sure as hell isn't helping ours.

I see your point, but there are a lot of other variables involved that would also have impacted on the discrepancy between the two games. Collingwood were surging in 2010, with everybody fully fit and raring to go. The Collingwood 2011 GF team was hanging by a thread, with several players playing injured and/or out of match practice for varying reasons. Geelong had a new coach and a different style of game, and although missing Ablett - Mackie and Christensen were pretty handy ins.

Having said that, Collingwood were not a picture of harmony themselves in 2011. No doubt team spirit is important, but it's not the only reason Geelong managed a 79 point turnaround in the space of 12 months and 1 week. Or, for that matter, Collingwood managed a 114 point turnaround in the 12 months before that.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Yes, I would be very disappointed. And very surprised. I believe he was ready to sign with us in July but then the concussions happened and talks were put on hold. I still firmly believe the concussion issue is at the bottom of all this. The club appointment with his management up here last weekend was an appointment set up weeks before (before the third concussion).

Prepare to be very disappointed and very surprised.

Some people at the club know exactly what has happened and I suspect that they will not hold back this time. There was no witch hunt when they found out that Phil Davis had signed with GWS at the end of 2010, the anger increased when they realised that Hawthorn had stiched up Gunston in the middle of the 2011 season but they will be white hot with anger when it becomes public that Kurt did a deal at the end of last year.

The off season will be very memorable this year.

P.S. One of the trainers is not a source. A board member is a source.

 

[FR0GGY]

It was supposed to be sorted out earlier. Then Tippett got concussed.. repeatedly. That forced if on the backburners until last week, at which point all parties decided that it was best sorted out after the season was over, to minimise disruption to the finals campaign.

And to correct your statement.. it's not about the supporters at all. Despite the fact that many of them have a sense of entitlement, their desires are completely and utterly irrelevant.

How is any of this unprofessional?

Why would the concussions have anything to do with it? Surely it would be adelaide or brisbane putting contracts on the backburner not Kurt. He should be signing asap before he gets another one.

 

[Tex200]

It was supposed to be sorted out earlier. Then Tippett got concussed.. repeatedly. That forced if on the backburners until last week, at which point all parties decided that it was best sorted out after the season was over, to minimise disruption to the finals campaign.

And to correct your statement.. it's not about the supporters at all. Despite the fact that many of them have a sense of entitlement, their desires are completely and utterly irrelevant.

How is any of this unprofessional?

He has chosen to bring a huge distraction upon the club and players on the eve of a finals campaign. Any claim that it is not a distraction is a nonsense.

If he really wanted to he could end the distraction one way or another. Imo he is compromising our finals campaign and I won't be persuaded on that. It's therefore unprofessional.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Tomato and BBQ.

Good Tomato and BBQ? I would think if it was good Tomato and BBQ that you would know more than that.

 

[jenny61_99]

Good Tomato and BBQ?

Yes, I think so. Not your home brand variety. Not a board member either.

 

[FR0GGY]

Prepare to be very disappointed and very surprised.

Some people at the club know exactly what has happened and I suspect that they will not hold back this time. There was no witch hunt when they found out that Phil Davis had signed with GWS at the end of 2010, the anger increased when they realised that Hawthorn had stiched up Gunston in the middle of the 2011 season but they will be white hot with anger when it becomes public that Kurt did a deal at the end of last year.

The off season will be very memorable this year.

P.S. One of the trainers is not a source. A board member is a source.

Have you got inside info or just a hunch AFGM?

 

[ManInTheArena]

Yes, I think so. Not your home brand variety. Not a board member either.

Any other news?

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Have you got inside info or just a hunch AFGM?

I have lots of crazy hunches.

Tippett would be forced to miss a month of football after the third concussion (despite the AFC declaring he would be good to go against Geelong). Porps did not have a "bruised shoulder blade" as listed on the AFL injury report (despite the AFC declaring he would definitely not miss a match). I am happy to wait for time to reveal all.

 

[cammo6556]

Yes, I think so. Not your home brand variety. Not a board member either.

I prefer Worcestershire... But as long as it's meaty...

 

[Hollow Knight]

but they will be white hot with anger when it becomes public that Kurt did a deal at the end of last year.
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With which club?

 

[Vader]

He has chosen to bring a huge distraction upon the club and players on the eve of a finals campaign. Any claim that it is not a distraction is a nonsense.

If he really wanted to he could end the distraction one way or another. Imo he is compromising our finals campaign and I won't be persuaded on that. It's therefore unprofessional.

I never said that it wasn't a distraction. It has clearly become one, mainly due to self absorbed nuffies with a sense of self entitlement, who want him to sign now, now, now.

Who said he chose this course of events? I would suggest that events unfolded outside of his control once he got repeatedly concussed.

Doing contract negotiations now (with finals 2 1/2 weeks away) would be a seriously stupid idea, far more distracting (at least for Tippett) than waiting until after the finals.

Yes, ideally it should have been taken care of months ago. It didn't happen, get over it and stop thinking that you're the centre of the universe.

Why would the concussions have anything to do with it? Surely it would be adelaide or brisbane putting contracts on the backburner not Kurt. He should be signing asap before he gets another one.

I suggest you go back and read the media articles from last week, quoting his manager. All Tippett, his manager and the club were concerned about during that period was Tippett's welfare. Getting him to sign a contract while still unwell was not even on their radar.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

With which club?

Prepare for some disappointment.

 

[jenny61_99]

Well afgm, I just have to say if the board member knows and others within the club don't, and my mail is they don't, then he/she has been negligent.

 

[FR0GGY]

I have lots of crazy hunches.

Tippett would be forced to miss a month of football after the third concussion (despite the AFC declaring he would be good to go against Geelong). Porps did not have a "bruised shoulder blade" as listed on the AFL injury report (despite the AFC declaring he would definitely not miss a match). I am happy to wait for time to reveal all.

So what would our compo be? Do we get Bock back or something?

 

[Team DJ]

TBH how much of a distration is it to negotiate a contract. Cop out IMO.

Surely its just a matter of the club contacting the manager. the manager telling the player. The player going yep or nup.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Prepare for some disappointment.

I won't necessarily be disappointed if it's not us.

 

[cmndstab]

TBH how much of a distration is it to negotiate a contract. Cop out IMO.

Surely its just a matter of the club contacting the manager. the manager telling the player. The player going yep or nup.

I think you grossly underestimate the complexity of a contract negotiation.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

People have said they will boo.

Well if they have they are turkeys... When the team are playing I will cheer him as much as any other player... Bigfooty is the place to vent

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Why would the concussions have anything to do with it? Surely it would be adelaide or brisbane putting contracts on the backburner not Kurt. He should be signing asap before he gets another one.

So true. Robbie Gray didn't seem to know how to sign quick enough after having a knee recon....

 

[Freddy Bassett]

So what would our compo be? Do we get Bock back or something?

A draft pick we can swap for Tambling

 

[macca23]

Yes, I would be very disappointed. And very surprised. I believe he was ready to sign with us in July but then the concussions happened and talks were put on hold. I still firmly believe the concussion issue is at the bottom of all this. The club appointment with his management up here last weekend was an appointment set up weeks before (before the third concussion).

Jenny, surely you don't believe that Tippet's delay in making any decision at all - at his request - is related to his concussion. Easter bunny isn't real either.

I'd like to see tangible evidence that this issue is affecting our team spirit. Not the read between the lines conspiracy theorist assumptions, but real, tangible evidence.

You've never been part of a footy team, Jen. It wouldn't affect a lot of the players, but it will affect some, because a footy club is made up of a variety of people with differing values and ideas.

There's no doubt as a club we'd like to have him locked away before the finals start. No doubt. And because I know this is not about the money, I believe they are waiting to see how he fares in the remaining games before making their final decision.

You're making it sound as if we are waiting until the end of the year before we make up our mind whether we want to re-sign him or not. We'd sign him today if he said he wanted to sign.