Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Super-mega-ultrathread

[saintsrfreak]

How many have put in a trade request?

None yet, waiting to see what eventuates of the Brown situation I'm assuming

 

[Suma Magic]

Pretty important, but Mitch Brown isn't the only available key back you know

Please, please sign another key back instead, then we can keep Mitch.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Any others you are linked to. Your interest has been rumoured for over a week now. Must have made an offer to him to get him to come out and ask to be traded. Can only imagine Saints have earmarked what they would be required to offer.

I think they know what they're prepared to offer. Just up to West Coast to play nice.

 

[Strahany]

To be honest, St Kilda have probably only expressed this much interest in Brown because of Cripps wanting to go to West Coast. A "two birds with one stone" situation is being sought out, by the looks of it.

If, for example, West Coast would want a first round pick at minimum for Brown (as some posters are suggesting), then the Saints would be better off trading a bit extra to try to get Frawley, who isn't injury prone and has shown a great deal more than Brown so far. Frawley has allegedly shown interest in joining the Saints on a similar deal.

St Kilda seem to only be into Brown this much due to the circumstances they've found themselves in; not because he is the best option.

 

[pantskyle]

I think they know what they're prepared to offer. Just up to West Coast to play nice.

Us play nice, What do you mean? You think we should just shoot ourselves in the foot to benefit the Saints.

How about the Saints play nice and offer there first pick to make it happen.

 

[pantskyle]

To be honest, St Kilda have probably only expressed this much interest in Brown because of Cripps wanting to go to West Coast. A "two birds with one stone" situation is being sought out, by the looks of it.

If, for example, West Coast would want a first round pick at minimum for Brown (as some posters are suggesting), then the Saints would be better off trading a bit extra to try to get Frawley, who isn't injury prone and has shown a great deal more than Brown so far. Frawley has allegedly shown interest in joining the Saints on a similar deal.

St Kilda seem to only be into Brown this much due to the circumstances they've found themselves in; not because he is the best option.

Excellent we get to keep Brown.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I think they know what they're prepared to offer. Just up to West Coast to play nice.

It's not about playing nice.
It's about either getting another key back or keeping him.

 

[TommyJay]

Haven't thought about that.

What's the reason why Brown wants to go to St Kilda and St Kilda only?

We're probably one of the few clubs he has no competition for spots for. Barring injury, he'd be guaranteed 22 games.

I'm sure that playing football is the key factor for the guy. The fact that we need someone like him, and have offered him a good contract, and it's not rocket science why we're his preference.

 

[new breed]

Haven't thought about that.

What's the reason why Brown wants to go to St Kilda and St Kilda only?

Twin Nathan recommended Scott Waters as a quality person / Coach and the fact that Saints need Tall defenders evidently .

 

[eaglespremiers]

If, for example, West Coast would want a first round pick at minimum for Brown (as some posters are suggesting), then the Saints would be better off trading a bit extra to try to get Frawley, who isn't injury prone and has shown a great deal more than Brown so far. Frawley has allegedly shown interest in joining the Saints on a similar deal.

Surely St Kilda would've been aware of what was required to get Brown from West Coast.
You would be better going for Frawley.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Us play nice, What do you mean? You think we should just shoot ourselves in the foot to benefit the Saints.

How about the Saints play nice and offer there first pick to make it happen.

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

Comparing those two situations I believe we'd be better to hold on to Brown for another year.
Even if that ruins our trading position in 12 months.

 

[pantskyle]

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

That's a terrible result for us. Saints have no chance of trying to make us feel bad and do that.

 

[ziad]

Twin Nathan recommended Scott Waters as a quality person / Coach and the fact that Saints need Tall defenders evidently .

Or Watters knows the twin and thinks a copy of that would suit us so saints approach a contracted player, then saints supporters say be nice?

meh

 

[fryzie]

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

That's the kind of rubbish offer you'd expect if he was out of contract.

If we're going to get shafted with a fringe flanker and a pick we probably won't use I'd rather keep Brown for another year as backup and take the risk of copping a similar trade when he's uncontracted.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

Cripps and pick 40 is far from a good offer.

 

[swannies]

Play nice as in be realistic. You can do right by Brown, accept a good offer from us (Cripps + pick 40ish) and cut your ties with him.
Or you can flat out refuse/ask for something ridiculous, hold on to Brown and hope he is somehow not pissed off enough to ask to be traded again from playing 7 seasons in the reserves.

Play nice so you feel all good about the trade?? There's one team I couldn't give a shit about playing nice with, you guessed it, it's the Aints. He's contracted walk away and we'll be doing a favour not sending him to the Aints.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Cripps and pick 40 is far from a good offer.

Obviously it's not set in stone, our second rounder is pick 34 so that plus Cripps would be more likely
Massive underrating of Cripps on this board, I wish he wasn't leaving.

 

[Shupe]

That's the kind of rubbish offer you'd expect if he was out of contract.

If we're going to get shafted with a fringe flanker and a pick we probably won't use I'd rather keep Brown for another year as backup and take the risk of copping a similar trade when he's uncontracted.

This. I'm sure we could get a similar trade when he is uncontracted. I'm keen for somebody from West Coast to comment on this. Be interesting to see if it is a "Brown wants out and we will do our best to get an acceptable result for both parties" or "Brown wants out but he is still contracted so we will need a good offer from the Saints if we are to let him go".

 

[TommyJay]

That's the kind of rubbish offer you'd expect if he was out of contract.

If we're going to get shafted with a fringe flanker and a pick we probably won't use I'd rather keep Brown for another year as backup and take the risk of copping a similar trade when he's uncontracted.

Of course you would - question is, does your club want to keep someone on their list that just doesn't want to be there? They may, but most clubs aren't happy with that. Disheartened players at your club that you have forced to stay against their will aren't really going to help you, and I'd be shocked if your club didn't realise that. So, as much as he's contracted, I think that reduces this amazing bargaining position you're all talking about because of his contract.

In the end, I'm not sure if the deal will get done. But time will tell.

 

[fryzie]

Obviously it's not set in stone, our second rounder is pick 34 so that plus Cripps would be more likely
Massive underrating of Cripps on this board, I wish he wasn't leaving.

It's a really simple concept called supply and demand.

Cripps couldn't crack it in your best 22 and you guys finished 9th, we finished 5th. I don't see anyone he will displace in our side whereas Brown will be an automatic starter in your backline and will play 22 games barring injury.

As far as underrating Cripps, I put money on him for Rising Star in the pre-season this year so watched him pretty intently. Did nothing spectacular.

 

[Shupe]

Of course you would - question is, does your club want to keep someone on their list that just doesn't want to be there? They may, but most clubs aren't happy with that. Disheartened players at your club that you have forced to stay against their will aren't really going to help you, and I'd be shocked if your club didn't realise that. So, as much as he's contracted, I think that reduces this amazing bargaining position you're all talking about because of his contract.

In the end, I'm not sure if the deal will get done. But time will tell.

Yes. Brown is the kind of guy that would just cop it and work hard for another year. I would have no hesitation in keeping him on our list after he has expressed his desire to seek further opportunity. He likes it here, his girlfriend plays for the state netball team and after being on the list for 6 years, I'm sure he has plenty of mates. Hanging around for another year is no big deal, he's not homesick.

EDIT: And if Glass retires at season end, I wouldn't at all be surprised if Brown re-signs with us.

 

[Goldfish]

Of course you would - question is, does your club want to keep someone on their list that just doesn't want to be there? They may, but most clubs aren't happy with that. Disheartened players at your club that you have forced to stay against their will aren't really going to help you, and I'd be shocked if your club didn't realise that. So, as much as he's contracted, I think that reduces this amazing bargaining position you're all talking about because of his contract.

In the end, I'm not sure if the deal will get done. But time will tell.

I agree, and this is quite funny, as I've used the same arguement with the Wellingham scenario (ie. why would Melbourne use a draft pick on Wellingham when he has categorically said he doesn't want to be there), and everyone is under the impression he would be worth the risk...

A few things on our side is Mitch has a Mrs here who plays netball (West Coast Fever?) so she will be staying here, he's contracted, and he's the type of kid that would work hard and toil away even if he doesn't get a trade imo.

 

[Patron]

Brown wanting out really hurts us. His value to us is far greater than his market value. That's why we needed pick 12/13 or better for it to be acceptable for us. Now he's nominated we are going to loose him for a bit less. Not good.

 

[Forward Press]

Of course you would - question is, does your club want to keep someone on their list that just doesn't want to be there? They may, but most clubs aren't happy with that. Disheartened players at your club that you have forced to stay against their will aren't really going to help you, and I'd be shocked if your club didn't realise that. So, as much as he's contracted, I think that reduces this amazing bargaining position you're all talking about because of his contract.

In the end, I'm not sure if the deal will get done. But time will tell.

What about Ryan O'Keefe and other players that demanded to be traded but in the end stayed on?

Whether Brown likes it or not, he provides cover for two really good defenders that we have. If we get rubbish offers for him, as a professional he should work his arse off to break into the team or leave when his contract is up.