Play Nice Tippett Nominates Sydney - Part II

[Numbered Days]

He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting

How does an extra KPF who takes the spot of one of their young players help with development? He doesn't help them with anything except maybe not getting thumped by as much for a few years.

Do any teams play with three star KPFs?

Seems like GWS getting involved helps us. I know Adelaide people want to create a bidding war - I would to. Problem is he has nominated us. GWS getting involved and having him saying no to them increases the chance he could fall to us in the PSD. No way they will pick him after he has already turned them down.

Thanks Sheeds. We can go back to only offering pick 22

 

[MVP_PaulRoos]

He fits in nicely with their development, grab him for 3-4 years and by that time they're around 23 and hitting their AFL peak as he starts to decline.
Money probably isn't an issue, the AFL doesn't leave its precious Sydney clubs wanting

Incorrect. Money is definitely an issue. No way is it a good play for GWS to pay Tippett a million a year for 4 years and leave themselves far more vulnerable to raids from other clubs. If both Sydney and Tippett hold their nerve, Tippett will end up at Sydney either through the PSD or for pick 23.

The only possible way out for the Crows is if Sheedy decides he doesn't mind hamstringing GWS for the future, because he wont be a part of that future anyway (and this relies on GWS management being morons).

 

[daniel_4tw]

Sheedy has an opportunity to get one over the cross town rivals, get a genuine crowd puller and get a massive head line. On top of this, GWS have actually come out and said that they are interested in Tippett and are also willing to offload top picks for quality players.

Sydney fans - nah not going to happen 22 or psd.

Right.

 

[bobshoby]

How does an extra KPF who takes the spot of one of their young players help with development? He doesn't help them with anything except maybe not getting thumped by as much for a few years.

Do any teams play with three star KPFs?

Seems like GWS getting involved helps us. I know Adelaide people want to create a bidding war - I would to. Problem is he has nominated us. GWS getting involved and having him saying no to them increases the chance he could fall to us in the PSD. No way they will pick him after he has already turned them down.

Thanks Sheeds. We can go back to only offering pick 22

Pick 23
Plenty of KP players have been damaged by being thrown into the deep end too early into their careers. Both of the GWS players would benefit from having some support up forward for the next few years.
As for the money i think it's hard to say, several of their older players will start retiring and free up some cap space to be used on that sort of thing.

All that needs to happen is for $kirt to think there's a risk he ends up at GWS in the PSD and things change completely. Brisbane might even seem like a better alternative at that point since they would be willing to make a decent trade with the Crows.

Obviously Sydney want to have their cake and eat it too, after being coddled for decades by the AFL i can understand that but sadly for you guys the AFL has a new favourite in town now.

 

[DangerSloane]

I still think the sudden "interest" from GWS is just game playing to make us give more up. I just don't see where he fits in. Where is he going to play with 2 elite KPF talents on that team already in Patton and Cameron. Will they really pay 800k for a backup ruckman?

Lol Backup Ruckman.
Patton isnt ready yet, and can still fit in the same forward line as Tippett and Cameron anyhow.
I hope GWS are serious, and so does everyone except Sydney supporters. I hope Kurt the Skirt ends up down the bottom of the ladder and then the year after he retires GWS win the flag.

 

[Lord Eddard]

Pick 23
Plenty of KP players have been damaged by being thrown into the deep end too early into their careers. Both of the GWS players would benefit from having some support up forward for the next few years.
As for the money i think it's hard to say, several of their older players will start retiring and free up some cap space to be used on that sort of thing.

All that needs to happen is for $kirt to think there's a risk he ends up at GWS in the PSD and things change completely. Brisbane might even seem like a better alternative at that point since they would be willing to make a decent trade with the Crows.

Obviously Sydney want to have their cake and eat it too, after being coddled for decades by the AFL i can understand that but sadly for you guys the AFL has a new favourite in town now.

You sound bitter

 

[bobshoby]

You sound bitter

pray continue your most interesting narrative

 

[Lord Eddard]

pray continue your most interesting narrative

Just a hunch

 

[Gongswan]

pray continue your most interesting narrative

Not sure he needs to

 

[bobshoby]

Living in a one club town must be boring if any hint of outside criticism is instantly dismissed as 'bitterness'.

 

[magic.merkin]

I don't live there, am not Victorian and concur with them.

Keep throwing stones, you'll hit a target soon.

 

[THE_GUN]

Hypothetical...

Swans tell Kurt to go to PSD and nominate a 1 year salary of $1 million to scare other suitors off. Swans then pick him up and mid 2013 renegotiate say a 3 year $1.4 million dollar contract. He in the end gets $800,000 a season over 4 years.

Upside - Swans get Tippett and lose nothing. No club in their right mind would pay $1 million for one season knowing the player will be unhappy and leave at the end.

Downside - If Tippet doesn't love playing for Sydney he can up and leave at the end of the year and Swans would be the laughing stock of the comp. Also it's probs bending the rules although I don't see how what Luke Ball did was much more ethical.

Is the above hypothetical possible?

I really hope you dont even believe what you have posted on here !!
There is sooo many things wrong with your way of thinking, Do you really believe that no team would take him with $1mill on his head when he comes to them for free..........
Gws - Nothing to lose , Take him and trust your football dept to convince him-Its the same city he wanted

Carlton- desperate for a foward and were offering up the same dollars for cloke, If he doesnt play he doesnt get paid and you can trade him for a pick next year.

Adelaide - Lets fix this bloke right up- Draft him and lets watch him come back crawling, they offered him $800k anyway

Every team in the AFL can afford to take tippett if he is free in the draft

 

[Syd]

...Obviously Sydney want to have their cake and eat it too...

Pardon me for intruding, but what other reason would there be for having cake other than to eat it?

 

[Numbered Days]

Lol Backup Ruckman.
Patton isnt ready yet, and can still fit in the same forward line as Tippett and Cameron anyhow.
I hope GWS are serious, and so does everyone except Sydney supporters. I hope Kurt the Skirt ends up down the bottom of the ladder and then the year after he retires GWS win the flag.

GWS aren't ready yet so Patton not being ready is not an issue. People seriously think that GWS will spend 800k per year on a player who will be near retirement age when they hit their window and would stunt the development of two guys who look like being stars? Maybe they will, stranger things have happened, but seems somewhat unlikely. I guess if they can actually get him for nothing ...

In regards to the Kurt the Skirt stuff, do Crows really think that? Seems strange - being vinictive seems more important to many people than the well being of your club. Do you think all his mates are hearing all this stuff from Crows fans and seeing your list manager slag him off and thinking this is a club they want to stay with? What about players you chase in the future or draftees. They be looking forward to coming to the Crows?

One of your fellow supporters posted a link earlier about players leaving your club. You can blame the players all you like and think it is because they are all weak of character ... but eventually you have to start looking deeper and see if the club and it's fans need to take some responsibilty.

Anyway, that's up to you guys obviously.

 

[bobshoby]

Kurt is basically irrelevant, the key issue for the club is how can they act to reduce the risk of being put in this situation in the future.
One of the options is to refuse to trade him for a pittance and throw him to the PSD and make the point that the club will not be dictated to by a player who refuses to consider other clubs in a potential trade.

 

[radiojake]

Pardon me for intruding, but what other reason would there be for having cake other than to eat it?

Once you eat the cake, you no longer 'have it' -

The saying is in regards to those who would like to 'eat it' as well as still retaining it - Have it both ways, if you will...

 

[sworc36]

GWS aren't ready yet so Patton not being ready is not an issue. People seriously think that GWS will spend 800k per year on a player who will be near retirement age when they hit their window and would stunt the development of two guys who look like being stars? Maybe they will, stranger things have happened, but seems somewhat unlikely. I guess if they can actually get him for nothing ...

In regards to the Kurt the Skirt stuff, do Crows really think that? Seems strange - being vinictive seems more important to many people than the well being of your club. Do you think all his mates are hearing all this stuff from Crows fans and seeing your list manager slag him off and thinking this is a club they want to stay with? What about players you chase in the future or draftees. They be looking forward to coming to the Crows?

One of your fellow supporters posted a link earlier about players leaving your club. You can blame the players all you like and think it is because they are all weak of character ... but eventually you have to start looking deeper and see if the club and it's fans need to take some responsibilty.

Anyway, that's up to you guys obviously.

Not sure how GWS thinking, but they have shown that they are keen so we will just have to wait and see how this unfolds.

Im not too sure which "mates" you are referring too but from what has been tweeted by some of the players I don't think there is much love for Kurt from the players at the AFC...When Cornsey suggested re drafting him, our Recruiting guy asked why and said that if we got him back he would be the only player at our club. Basically declaring that the playing group dislike him immensely and do not want him back...

My Club has bent over backwards to keep this guy happy and up until just recently, have treated him like one of their family...He has burnt his teammates, and the Club, that gave him the opportunity to become a very good AFL player...

Please do not assume that you know anything about the AFC...You obviously didn't see our players at the Brownlow and how happy they were..By all reports they are a very close knit group and are very happy at the club...Unfortunately 2 new clubs with bucket loads of of cash came in and wooed a couple of them away...Tippett was always going to leave and as for Gunston?...just a sooky mummys boy that couldn't make it away from home...

 

[BarneyBent]

I really hope you dont even believe what you have posted on here !!
There is sooo many things wrong with your way of thinking, Do you really believe that no team would take him with $1mill on his head when he comes to them for free..........
Gws - Nothing to lose , Take him and trust your football dept to convince him-Its the same city he wanted

Carlton- desperate for a foward and were offering up the same dollars for cloke, If he doesnt play he doesnt get paid and you can trade him for a pick next year.

Adelaide - Lets fix this bloke right up- Draft him and lets watch him come back crawling, they offered him $800k anyway

Every team in the AFL can afford to take tippett if he is free in the draft

Actually, they probably can't. At least, not if they're planning to pay their 92.5% in the event they miss out. You can't just spontaneously decide to draft someone who's asking for $800,000-$1million a season if he happens to be at your pick, because that would mean making space that is more than the 7.5% leeway you're allowed. You need to be confident you'll get him, and have a backup plan to get to 92.5% in case you don't. That would involve pushing back contract negotiations and other list management decisions, and is not the sort of thing you can do last minute. And you can't just backload the contract, because you'd need an equivalent value of other contracts front-loaded, which still requires significant planning in advance.

So yeah, to say every other team in the AFL can afford Tippett is bullshit. GWS remains the only risk, because with a bigger cap, their 7.5% is worth more, and they have the first pick, so if they want him they've got him. Other clubs are simply not in that position.

 

[bobshoby]

Actually, they probably can't. At least, not if they're planning to pay their 92.5% in the event they miss out. You can't just spontaneously decide to draft someone who's asking for $800,000-$1million a season if he happens to be at your pick, because that would mean making space that is more than the 7.5% leeway you're allowed. You need to be confident you'll get him, and have a backup plan to get to 92.5% in case you don't. That would involve pushing back contract negotiations and other list management decisions, and is not the sort of thing you can do last minute. And you can't just backload the contract, because you'd need an equivalent value of other contracts front-loaded, which still requires significant planning in advance.

So yeah, to say every other team in the AFL can afford Tippett is bullshit. GWS remains the only risk, because with a bigger cap, their 7.5% is worth more, and they have the first pick, so if they want him they've got him. Other clubs are simply not in that position.

Possibly, this is why i'd have personally preferred the Club to suspend talks with Sydney once the pick 22+garbage player offer solidified and made it clear that he's going to PSD unless a better offer emerges. That way we allow other clubs to make contingencies that would add to the pressure that he gets picked up in the PSD

 

[headache1]

GWS aren't ready yet so Patton not being ready is not an issue. People seriously think that GWS will spend 800k per year on a player who will be near retirement age when they hit their window and would stunt the development of two guys who look like being stars? Maybe they will, stranger things have happened, but seems somewhat unlikely. I guess if they can actually get him for nothing ...

In regards to the Kurt the Skirt stuff, do Crows really think that? Seems strange - being vinictive seems more important to many people than the well being of your club. Do you think all his mates are hearing all this stuff from Crows fans and seeing your list manager slag him off and thinking this is a club they want to stay with? What about players you chase in the future or draftees. They be looking forward to coming to the Crows?

One of your fellow supporters posted a link earlier about players leaving your club. You can blame the players all you like and think it is because they are all weak of character ... but eventually you have to start looking deeper and see if the club and it's fans need to take some responsibilty.

Anyway, that's up to you guys obviously.

Please explain to me how Tippett being there would hinder the development of Patton and Cameron. Giles already spends time in their forward line when he's not rucking, and he and Tippett would likely be rotating positions anyway. Having somebody like Tippett in that forward line pulls away the best defender from the opposition, and allows guys like Patton and Cameron a greater opportunity to perform.

Why do you think GWS are after senior players in the first place? Seeing as going by your logic, all it will do is hinder the development of the slew of first round pick youngsters they already have.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Please do not assume that you know anything about the AFC...You obviously didn't see our players at the Brownlow and how happy they were..By all reports they are a very close knit group and are very happy at the club...Unfortunately 2 new clubs with bucket loads of of cash came in and wooed a couple of them away...Tippett was always going to leave and as for Gunston?...just a sooky mummys boy that couldn't make it away from home...

Don't play their little games. They are just using the Tippett thing as an excuse to question our club culture. Anybody who knows anything about the AFC knows its a well run, well resourced side with a good list/coaches. You only have to look at the talent we have signed up, and the way they bust their guts every week, to know that club culture is not the problem.

The major problem we have is location. Adelaide, compared to most other major cities is a small, football-crazy, country town. Its not everybody's cup of tea and it makes us a soft target for poaching. The other reason we get raided is because we produce quality players, which is not something that could be said of any team with a shitty club culture.

 

[MVP_PaulRoos]

Dawes and pick 58 have been traded to Melbourne for picks 20 and 45. This should infuriate the Crows fans just a little bit more in regards to the Sydney offer, considering what a spud Dawes is.

 

[bobshoby]

Dawes and pick 58 have been traded to Melbourne for picks 20 and 45. This should infuriate the Crows fans just a little bit more in regards to the Sydney offer, considering what a spud Dawes is.

Just a tad

 

[Huntercrow]

I've often thought the "living away from home" argument is overdone by player managers to suit their own needs. How much of what comes out of Tippets mouth is shovelled in by Blucher?
If an AFL team was to start up in Kabul or Baghdad then a young 18 year old draftee from Qld would have cause to want out. But lets face it as much as the Sydney flogs would like all to believe otherwise, Adelaide is a top 10 living city of the world just ahead of South Newcastle...........Pffffft....Sydney....... And with no help from Flogville managed to bring Formula 1 racing to Australia way back when this sport was bigger than the Melbourne Cup and Sydney/Hobart combined. Well at least it was when we had it!!

So dont come with the "errr everyone's leavin' adelaide cause they suck" (in a stupid whiney voice) cause in the real world only the cream stays and the crap moves to NSW.................Oh wait!

 

[Numbered Days]

Please explain to me how Tippett being there would hinder the development of Patton and Cameron. Giles already spends time in their forward line when he's not rucking, and he and Tippett would likely be rotating positions anyway. Having somebody like Tippett in that forward line pulls away the best defender from the opposition, and allows guys like Patton and Cameron a greater opportunity to perform.

Fair enough. Just can't think of another team who plays with three star KPFs. As you pointed out Giles spends time there as well. To me it doesn't seem like it will work and the guy getting $800k per year is not the one who will make way for balance reasons. Hence affecting development of other players. Anyway, they have said they are interested so we'll take that at face value.

Why do you think GWS are after senior players in the first place? Seeing as going by your logic, all it will do is hinder the development of the slew of first round pick youngsters they already have.

My assumption was that they want senior players in positions where they are getting belted. KPFs doesn't seem like a problem for them. There are 2 KPF positions and in the modern game about 12 onballers so it seemed like that was where they needed the mature bodies. Wouldn't hinder the development of their top prospects if they recruited some. Anyway, we will see what happens.