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[alfy!]

I have struggled to get a decent feed today going to wait til latter to watch it. saw the silva sub wicked

PM'd you.

 

[BradWCE]

Big Nog subbed again.

At least it wasn't brutal like last time.

 

[MMAPride Scott]

I have not watched the full card but sounds like brazil delivered again

 

[Jay C]

That was an amazing card a tone of subs with a phenomenal atmosphere.

Bit disappointed to see Big Nog beaten at his own game but hopefully he can string a few more wins together before the end of his career.

 

[Nickos66]

People are talking about Cain v Werdum, provided Cain's next fight was against JDS and he got through that, how do people see that possibility of a match up panning out?

 

[BradWCE]

People are talking about Cain v Werdum, provided Cain's next fight was against JDS and he got through that, how do people see that possibility of a match up panning out?

Cain keeping it standing and mauling him on the feet. Werdum makes sense as the champs next fight but I don't think he'd have much success against Cain or JDS again.

 

[the_interloper]

Cain keeping it standing and mauling him on the feet. Werdum makes sense as the champs next fight but I don't think he'd have much success against Cain or JDS again.

Yeah either Cain or JDS probably tool him on the feet, and I don't know if Werdum has the takedowns to bring it to the mat. His best chance of winning would be on the ground obviously, would love to see him fight Mir or Barnett, could be an epic ground battle!

 

[Z_K]

The only shot Werdum has v Cain is that he's inches taller, can throw his hands ok and Cain won't just dive into his guard thoughlessly given his grappling quality.
All things being equal, Cain just bashes him up on the feet IMO.

Good card. Enjoyed it.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The only shot Werdum has v Cain is that he's inches taller, can throw his hands ok and Cain won't just dive into his guard thoughlessly given his grappling quality.
All things being equal, Cain just bashes him up on the feet IMO.

Werdum's kicks will be the key to the fight. If he can slow Cain's movement with some earlier kicks, he'd be much easier to get to the ground/in to the clinch. I think he'll do everything he can to avoid being in punching range with Cain as he'll likely be at a speed disadvantage and Cain has got big power. Like you, I don't give him much of a chance, but think there are a few ways he can win.

 

[Z_K]

Werdum's kicks will be the key to the fight. If he can slow Cain's movement with some earlier kicks, he'd be much easier to get to the ground/in to the clinch. I think he'll do everything he can to avoid being in punching range with Cain as he'll likely be at a speed disadvantage and Cain has got big power. Like you, I don't give him much of a chance, but think there are a few ways he can win.

Yes, you're right. He does have some tools and it wouldn't be a fight without some interesting aspects, but Cain is so well rounded that it;s tough to make a case for him. I agree that his kicks will be important, but Cain moves crazy fast and could have him eating knuckles whilst he tries to kick his legs out.

Always like watching HW's who can grapple at his level. Makes things interesting.

 

[the_interloper]

Just to add to what I said earlier I think Werdum's standup is pretty decent, you could nearly have made an argument for him outstriking Overeem in their ridiculous fight in Strikeforce. But Cain's stand up is pretty special I think, and it's more his workrate as well that would cause problems, looked like JDS didn't know what had hit him in their second fight.

On a related topic, how many times will JDS and Cain fight in their careers? I"ll go 7!

 

[Nickos66]

I'll say 4. But only 4 if Cain loses his belt in a 5 rounder.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Yes, you're right. He does have some tools and it wouldn't be a fight without some interesting aspects, but Cain is so well rounded that it;s tough to make a case for him. I agree that his kicks will be important, but Cain moves crazy fast and could have him eating knuckles whilst he tries to kick his legs out.

Agreed on Cain, when he's fully healthy there's not much any HW in the world can do. I've said for a long while that his biggest test at the weight class will come when Jones moves up. I obviously didn't see the first Junior fight ending how it did, but I think his performance in the re-match made up for that somewhat. I don't expect it will be enough, but I like this fight because Fabricio at least brings a few tools to this fight that are better than Cain in his kicks and his BJJ.

Always like watching HW's who can grapple at his level. Makes things interesting.

I was hung over and badly sleep deprived after a big weekend away, but still managed to really enjoy the grappling exchanges in the Nog/Werdum fight. It's such a rare event to see two guys at that level in MMA go to the ground for an extended period of time. Would love to see Fabricio go against both Barnett and Mir in the future, but expect he'll get next shot at the Cain/Junior winner.

 

[Nickos66]

I was hung over and badly sleep deprived after a big weekend away, but still managed to really enjoy the grappling exchanges in the Nog/Werdum fight. It's such a rare event to see two guys at that level in MMA go to the ground for an extended period of time. Would love to see Fabricio go against both Barnett and Mir in the future, but expect he'll get next shot at the Cain/Junior winner.

Agreed, **** knows why Metamoris chose Brendan Schaub of all people to fight on their invitational on the weekend. Either of these guys would've been much better, instead the fans were treated to 20 mins of this..

Lol.

 

[BradWCE]

Agreed, **** knows why Metamoris chose Brendan Schaub of all people to fight on their invitational on the weekend. Either of these guys would've been much better, instead the fans were treated to 20 mins of this..

Lol.

Haha. I saw that the other day. This was my favourite gif from their match. Some head pushes plus Schaub running away as Cyborg rolled after him.

Aoki/Gracie was much better and had a cool finish. Some complaints about the ref not returning them to the centre though.

 

[Nickos66]

Haha. I saw that the other day. This was my favourite gif from their match. Some head pushes plus Schaub running away as Cyborg rolled after him.



Aoki/Gracie was much better and had a cool finish. Some complaints about the ref not returning them to the centre though.

Hahah, I've not yet watched any of the matches but heard plenty about them already, including the Kron Gracie v Aoki finish. My understanding is, as the sub was well and truly on, in the case of a regular points competition the person attempting the sub gets 2 points and they reset in the middle from standing positions. In the case of a no points, submission only competition the person performing the submission gets a bit of leeway with the boundary if it's on. It's either submission or out of bounds. The finish all happened so quickly, that probably should've been called as out of bounds though..

I hear the womens match with McKenzie Dern was probably the most action-packed of the lot, will try and give that a watch tonight.

 

[alfy!]

UFC game presentation.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Agreed, **** knows why Metamoris chose Brendan Schaub of all people to fight on their invitational on the weekend. Either of these guys would've been much better, instead the fans were treated to 20 mins of this..

Lol.

Metamoris has potential, but this event seems like it was set up to either prove BJJ's superiority or to suck in casual MMA fans with some name fighters. Schaub has no business being in a grappling match with Cyborg, bit the event did quite well from all reports. Hopefully it was more about jist getting started than anything and we can see some of the big name MMA stars with serious BJJ accomplishments involved.

 

[Nickos66]

Metamoris has potential, but this event seems like it was set up to either prove BJJ's superiority or to suck in casual MMA fans with some name fighters. Schaub has no business being in a grappling match with Cyborg, bit the event did quite well from all reports. Hopefully it was more about jist getting started than anything and we can see some of the big name MMA stars with serious BJJ accomplishments involved.

Absolutely, it does. But, superiority to what? MMA? I don't really agree with that. It's neither better or worse, just a different sport. I like the concept of watching a BJJ match without watching guys worry about having to collect points, and it's a great chance for fans of the sport to get the chance to see some match ups that you wouldn't necessarily see in the big comps due to some of the names not being active competition fighters.

seeing it take off, it's like the UFC in a sense that it matches up names that fans would would be interested in seeing fight. Look no further than Metamoris 3 with Royler and Eddie Bravo's scheduled rematch.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Absolutely, it does. But, superiority to what?

This article explains what I was getting at:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--brendan-schaub-shows-discipline-matters-in-mma-185522207.html

"Still, though, was the MMA fighters’ presence a setup designed to make jiu-jitsu look good? It wouldn’t be the first time the Gracies pulled such a stunt: Royce Gracie was specifically matched with unwitting journeyman boxer Art Jimmerson in the opening round of UFC 1 with the intention of proving jiu-jitsu’s superiority to boxing, since the latter was considered the unquestioned king of combat sports at the time."


The concept of this is great, I agree with that, but the cynic in me thinks there's more to it than that. The proof will be in the upcoming cards I guess and the Bravo/Royler re-match is a good start.

 

[Nickos66]

I understand that, and it is a likely possibility, at the end of the day it's open to interpretation. I guess I never considered it that way until you mentioned it. Like the early UFC's they are trying to increase the numbers of fans through commercial success of other styles, including Aoki & Schaub is likely to be the start of a growing trend for the brand of MMA fighters appearing at their events. Although, murmurs are that any future MMA fighters being invited will be pitted against other MMA fighters for some level of equality.
In Hindsight it might've been more of a contest if they chose a higher level heavyweight, say a 2nd or 3rd degree blackbelt like one of the Nogueira bros or Werdum, Frank Mir, etc.

 

[the_interloper]

This article explains what I was getting at:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--brendan-schaub-shows-discipline-matters-in-mma-185522207.html

"Still, though, was the MMA fighters’ presence a setup designed to make jiu-jitsu look good? It wouldn’t be the first time the Gracies pulled such a stunt: Royce Gracie was specifically matched with unwitting journeyman boxer Art Jimmerson in the opening round of UFC 1 with the intention of proving jiu-jitsu’s superiority to boxing, since the latter was considered the unquestioned king of combat sports at the time."


The concept of this is great, I agree with that, but the cynic in me thinks there's more to it than that. The proof will be in the upcoming cards I guess and the Bravo/Royler re-match is a good start.

The Bravo/Royler rematch should be good and should create a lot of interest that's for sure. And from what I know the rest of the draw from UFC 1 was random but the Gracie/Jimmerson match. I suppose if it had have been rigged you wouldn't have had Royce fighting Shamrock until the final.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The Bravo/Royler rematch should be good and should create a lot of interest that's for sure. And from what I know the rest of the draw from UFC 1 was random but the Gracie/Jimmerson match. I suppose if it had have been rigged you wouldn't have had Royce fighting Shamrock until the final.

Can't dispute any of that, but the point of the article was around that first match. No doubt it could have backfired had Shamrock beaten Royce in the semi finals!

I'm also really looking forward to seeing Bravo and Royler go at it again.

 

[BradWCE]

I don't really get the superiority thing this time. Who's it going to prove to that jiu-jitsu is superior? BJJ fans are going to realise that a guy like Schaub is no match for Cyborg. MMA fans who tune in to Metamoris are going to be pretty dedicated fans and not think "damn Schaub lost to this guy, jiu-jitsu must be better than MMA". The only people I can see it fooling would be people who only have a passing interest in MMA, but then would they have even known about Metamoris? I don't think so.

I get it in the early UFC days. At UFC 1 nobody had any idea about BJJ so when the BJJ guy won the tournament everyone as you would expect was thinking BJJ is the best martial art.

 

[the_interloper]

Everyone should know that the most superior martial artists are the ones that train UFC, bro.