Trades that hurt your club

[Kipz]

Matthew Knights - James Hird trade

 

[Tas]

Collingwood are generally pretty fair at the trade table, which is suprising from a big 4 club because the other 3 are not like that.

They have to be now because at one time they were the worst club to trade with. Clubs generally do not line up to trade with clubs who are difficult to deal with.

I think the trade that really hurt North was Colbert's trade. Colbert was a good player and we got a lot more out of him than guys like Hay and Thompson but the trade was at a period we needed to rebuild and we gave too much to Geelong who did rebuild during the period we tried to hang on and things panned out very differently because we had the wrong state of mind at the time.

 

[benbanjo]

They have to be now because at one time they were the worst club to trade with. Clubs generally do not line up to trade with clubs who are difficult to deal with.

I think the trade that really hurt North was Colbert's trade. Colbert was a good player and we got a lot more out of him than guys like Hay and Thompson but the trade was at a period we needed to rebuild and we gave too much to Geelong who did rebuild during the period we tried to hang on and things panned out very differently because we had the wrong state of mind at the time.

Yes and No... we tried to stock up for another go at a flag, Colbert injured himself and couldn't have the same influence, but he was still great, Mooney as much as i like the bloke was an average player who had the best midfield hitting him lace out, he wouldn't have done much for us, i think they got Enright with the other pick, great player but who knows we might have picked someone else, and also we may not have been able to develop him into what he became at the Cats!!

 

[Jemaine]

What rubbish... the dead rubber game doesn't count, umpires got you over the line earlier in the year, and we would have won the GF if it weren't for MM sulking.

Pies were by far the best team in 2011, everyone agrees.

You're a F**king idiot

 

[King Of The Hille]

Puh-lease....

You can hardly count 2011. All neutrals agree Collingwood was the best team that year. Refer to the end of season ladder if that is too confusing for you.

Was that the year Geelong beat Collingwood by 96 points from memory?

 

[Morris Major]

We've picked up a lot of spuds over the years : Hay, Picioane, Power, Calthorpe, Plain, Keenan Reynolds, Joe McLaren.

LP!!! The classic days of Triple M commentary

 

[Chewy]

Hawthorn had a fetish for trading for ruckmen in the wake of the Paul Salmon / Darren Jarman / Sean Wellman / Paul Barnard trade

1998 - they traded pick 4 to Sydney in exchange for Brett O'Farrell.
He had bad knees, played just 9 games for the Hawks and received big pay.

2000 - they traded pick 12 to Adelaide in exchange for Shaun Rehn.
He had bad knees, played just 33 games for the Hawks and received big pay.

2002 - they traded picks 6 & 22 to St Kilda in exchange for Peter Everitt
He stuck around for 4 seasons, played just 72 games for the Hawks and received big pay.


Neither O'Farrell nor Everitt played any finals with Hawthorn
Rehn played in the 2001 finals and didn't have a hug impact.

114 games (and 3 finals) is a pretty poor return for picks 4, 6, 12 and 22

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

http://www.dockernow.com/2011/02/23/worst-trades-ever/

Here's a few, coincidentally from a Dockers website as well.

 

[Page8383]

We've picked up a lot of spuds over the years : Hay, Picioane, Power, Calthorpe, Plain, Keenan Reynolds, Joe McLaren.

Maybe that's the swings & roundabouts you go through ; we certainly got good value from pickups from other clubs like Rocca, Thompson, Blaey, Ischenko, Robert Scott, Pike, Mark Roberts, Abraham, Burton, Grant.

But Hay certainly stands out as the used car we bought without an engine under the hood.

8 games of rubbish for a first rounder.

Granted he had / has his troubles with bipolar and I wish him all the best with that. But in terms of trade, we still feel it today - I think hawks picked up Jordan Lewis with the pick.

 

[Jack Lord]

Sean Dempster.

 

[JA27]

1996: Brett James traded to Adelaide for Jonothon Ross

james showed some good form for collingwood but could only get a real go of it in the forward line, went to adelaide, took one of the spots vacated by mcdermott/a jarman/mcguiness and played in two premierships in his first two years

ross turned up, became friends with trent hotton and aaron james, got drunk in public, unlawful assult, 4 counts assulting police, resisiting arrest and was sacked all in time for collingwood to replace him on the list via the pre-season draft. this was on the back of trading for adrian mcadam the year before...

 

[Stevolution]

Can't think of any in recent years for the Lions.

Fevola?

 

[Stevolution]

Not a trade that hurt us, but I reckon everyone will regret not trading for O'Meara and Martin.

at least we got Crouch, I dont know why other clubs didnt jump in, all 3 would of been top ten, sounds the same for Hogan, too bad he will probably be another Jack Watts

 

[Stevolution]

Brad Ottens is one ill always regret losing. At face value getting picks 12 and 16 for him seemed good, but we wasted them on duds.

Its because for a very long time the Tigers never knew how to pick in the draft until recently

 

[saintkildaman]

Not trading Luke Ball. Instead we got nothing; a late first round would have been handy especially with our average youth and the fact that 2009 looks like a strong. If we had taken Collingwood's original pick 14 we could have netted ourselves Jetta, Fyfe, Menzel etc. Even if we had taken their second round (31) we could have got a solid youngster with players like Sam Reid, Nathan Vardy and Allen Christenson being available.

 

[Stevolution]

Not trading Luke Ball. Instead we got nothing; a late first round would have been handy especially with our average youth and the fact that 2009 looks like a strong. If we had taken Collingwood's original pick 14 we could have netted ourselves Jetta, Fyfe, Menzel etc. Even if we had taken their second round (31) we could have got a solid youngster with players like Sam Reid, Nathan Vardy and Allen Christenson being available.

thats one of the reasons why the saints are so far behind most of the comp

 

[hench]

Fevola?

Was being a tad facetious.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

Trading Mal Michael for Jarrod Molloy hurt. Michael ends up winning 3 flags and would have been handy at FB in 2002 and 2003

Was about to post the same. Malloy was an ok player for us but imagine our backline with Michael, Wakelin and Clement.

 

[Sydswans0512]

Money was definitely the deciding factor, he would have been confident of getting a game as he'd held down a spot until Ottens came back. I don't begrudge him at all, he was a bloke that gave everything for the Cats and when a knockout offer of around $1,000,000 over 3 years for someone only 1(?) year removed from the rookie list comes in, what do you expect him to do.

Very odd that it's raised in this thread, both Sydney and Geelong have won a premiership since the trade and both Mitch Duncan and Shane Mumford have a premiership medallion each. Duncan's having come against one of the greatest teams to ever grace our game

Mumford contract was 1,000,000 over 4 years it was hardly big bucks. Mummy would be close to the lowest paid 1st ruck at the moment.

 

[MC_9]

Not a trade that hurt us, but I reckon everyone will regret not trading for O'Meara and Martin.

I doubt that any other club could have made the trade. GWS had their sights set on high draft picks, and that was it. Gold coast had the highest, and the trade was made.

Martin has not even played a senior game of football, so we have no idea if that was a missed opportunity.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Mumford contract was 1,000,000 over 4 years it was hardly big bucks. Mummy would be close to the lowest paid 1st ruck at the moment.

You sure about the amount? I thought it was $1.2-$1.6M.

The length of contract would've made it enticing but $250k a year, even with CoLA oops: sorry) that seems pretty small, even for the time.

 

[Sydswans0512]

You sure about the amount? I thought it was $1.2-$1.6M.

The length of contract would've made it enticing but $250k a year, even with CoLA oops: sorry) that seems pretty small, even for the time.

Considering he was on rookie wages it was a fair pay rise and the four years gave him security

 

[MC_9]

Im not being revisionist though. Travis Tuck was getting a game ahead of him. And aside from the third strike controversy, he was never really an AFL level footballer. There were a couple of others but they escape my mind right now.

What the main factor in Kennedy leaving was Hawthorn only offered him a 1 year contract, whereas Sydney offered 4 years. Kennedy was even quoted at the time as saying "I would have loved to continue playing for Hawthorn (or something to that effect). It was pretty clear they intended on delisting him.

That is not true at all.

Kennedy was in and out of the team at the time, along with Travis Tuck. They were both surplus to requirements at the time, but we had no intention of delisting him. We would have loved for him to stay at the team, playing a back up role and for him to take over when Sewell & Mitchell retire. But you cannot expect a young player being happy with that.

We offered him a respectable contract for a player struggling to break into the team. Sydney saw a opportunity offered him more game time, more money, and a longer contract.

 

[Sydswans0512]

That is not true at all.

Kennedy was in and out of the team at the time, along with Travis Tuck. They were both surplus to requirements at the time, but we had no intention of delisting him. We would have loved for him to stay at the team, playing a back up role and for him to take over when Sewell & Mitchell retire. But you cannot expect a young player being happy with that.

We offered him a respectable contract for a player struggling to break into the team. Sydney saw a opportunity offered him more game time, more money, and a longer contract.

Hawthorn weren't going to delist him they offered him a one year contract

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Considering he was on rookie wages it was a fair pay rise and the four years gave him security

Exactly what I said.

My question is are you sure he only got $250K a season? I thought it was $400k a season?