Franks for the memories. Things don't always go well with COLA

[Off The Couch]

I'm actually tearing up hearing about the talks parents are having to have with kids - thank god I don't have to worry about that

 

[Joey Seaside]

Any money we will 'draw' Syndey in round one of next season.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. At the SCG, of course.

 

[Connoisseur]

Sorry to interrupt but I'm bemused that Pickering approached Sydney last year.

He also approached Gold Coast weeks after we won the '09 flag. Guy McKenna revealed this after Ablett officially signed and I was staggered the media didn't make more of it.

It's one thing to be approached with an amazing yet unsolicited offer. It's another to have your manager call clubs out of the blue essentially asking them to bid for a star's services.

He is a snake oil salesman and has completely played both of our clubs like fools. Not cool.

I'm perplexed that more non-Geelong supporters are making a bigger deal of Franklin defecting than when Ablett did.

Say anything remotely critical of Ablett and you're quickly shouted down and called bitter etc... Apparently Ablett Jnr won all those Premierships off his own boot and owed the Geelong Football Club nothing, good on him for getting an obscene amount that's coming out the pockets of all the AFL clubs.

Whereas with Franklin everyone it seems is up in arms calling him a merc etc.. when I really don't see what the difference is between the 2 defections, they're exactly the same from where I'm standing.

 

[JustKickIt]

So the deal includes COLA and 3rd party deals, my question is what part of the traitors contract need to be matched?

 

[Gunbarrel Jack]

AFL fixture Round 1
Hawthorn v Sydney MCG

 

[Stranglers]

Just pulled my kids aside and pulled down my life sized card board cut out of Buddy from the rumpus, and explained whats going on. My 6 year old son turns to me and said "We should've had one of Hodgey anyway Dad."

Maybe we all take a leaf out of his book.

Funny, that's more or less what my six-year old daughter said. I told her that Franklin was going to play for another team; she announced that she never liked him much anyway and preferred cheering for Luke Hodge and Cyril Rioli.

 

[Goldhawk]

Funny, that's more or less what my six-year old daughter said. I told her that Franklin was going to play for another team; she announced that she never liked him much anyway and preferred cheering for Luke Hodge and Cyril Rioli.

Yeah my son now wants number 33 as he is still relatively young

 

[grizzlym]

I'm actually tearing up hearing about the talks parents are having to have with kids - thank god I don't have to worry about that

My kid is giving me that talk.

 

[marklar]

Just got my "We are PREMIERS, renew your membership" email.

Too soon.

FFS HFC, let us get over the lies and mistrust first.

Oh and FWIW I am sooo glad I got #24 on the away jumper this year, now there's a guy that is committed to the club!

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Yeah my son now wants number 33 as he is still relatively young

Cyril is the new face of this club. Time to sign him for 9 years.

 

[BobHawk]

But isn't that saying that much of it is 3rd party and not under salary cap? Which means the offer to match may be within reach. Dunno.

Yeah, I don't know either. Ireland was comfortable with saying it and Eddie harped on about it so the only way I can read it is that Sydney contracts have a certain allowance form marketing. Whether that is within or outside the salary cap I don't know. Will be very interested with the AFL findings once they investigate - assuming they make the details public.

 

[Joey Seaside]

AFL fixture Round 1
Hawthorn v Sydney MCG

Naah...SCG.

 

[grizzlym]

I get your emotion, mate, but Buddy is no genius, he's not capable of planning something.

He's just a dumb footballer.

.

I'm the last person to paint Buddy as any sort of intellect. Fact is the situation is what it is. Buddy, or that should be Pickering, has acted totally in his own best interests. So much so that the club he professes to love could potentially be left with virtually nothing.

 

[pantskyle]

On reflection, and reading the various reports, this whole thing has been a long time in the planning. Now, taking that as a given, what we have is a situation where the best interests of the club aren't being considered by Buddy and his management in any way. Firstly, strung us out with a week to make the best of it. Secondly, and most damning, the whole scenario has been constructed in such way that Hawthorn loses everything i.e. a cynical 150 year deal that basically Hawthorn would be insane to match. The Swans gain everything, we lose on face value.

So I say to you people who are magnanimous about Buddy leaving, or can 'understand it', from a list management/trading perspective, think again. The guy has thrown us under a bus. We cannot expect to get anything barring some crap compensation for this, unless something extraordinary happens. If he loved the club and wanted the best for us and his fellow players, this could have been brokered an entirely different way.

It's the very definition of a self-serving deal from both Buddy and the Swans. And as for the Fat Controller, your legacy continues to grow. Frack off to the tennis job or whatever role you're now going to slide into now you've placed your indelible stamp on the game.

I as an opposition supporter would not begrudge a certain brown and gold team receiving a compensation pick that has 1 in it and nothing else.

I'll pen a letter to AFL HQ tomorrow.

 

[rjslcM]

http://crawf.com.au/oldies/my-thoughts-on-buddys-big-move-shane-crawford/

Hard to share crawf's thoughts atm... He's such a great bloke though.
Think I will turn all my raw, pointless frustration towards Liam Pickering for the time being

 

[dajesmac]

I think it's wrong for you guys to let this spoil your premiership win.

Franklin is a tosser. And isn't remotely central to your success.

 

[Off The Couch]

I'm perplexed that more non-Geelong supporters are making a bigger deal of Franklin defecting than when Ablett did.

Say anything remotely critical of Ablett and you're quickly shouted down and called bitter etc... Apparently Ablett Jnr won all those Premierships off his own boot and owed the Geelong Football Club nothing, good on him for getting an obscene amount that's coming out the pockets of all the AFL clubs.

Whereas with Franklin everyone it seems is up in arms calling him a merc etc.. when I really don't see what the difference is between the 2 defections, they're exactly the same from where I'm standing.

I think it's because we (cats and now hawks) presumed that they were going to franchise clubs that weren't a threat during their premiership window and thats why very few begrudged gaz, buddy on the other hand is going to a club that can effectively win anytime over the next few years and that's a knife from a guy who ad nauseam spoke about his love for the club

 

[Joey Seaside]

Oh well. Watch this to cheer up. It has multiple commentaries for Isaac Smith's beautiful bomb!!

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2013-10-01/afl360-grand-final-relived

 

[Stranglers]

Will be very interested with the AFL findings once they investigate - assuming they make the details public.

Ha! When I read the AFL were going to "investigate", I read it as "make sure there's a way we can rort the deal or otherwise shift the goalposts in five years time to ensure the Swans remain competitive".

 

[crow4life]

I was thinking the same thing but listening to Andrew Ireland and Eddie McGuire on AFL360 it does look like Sydney has more concessions than other clubs in this area on top of COLA and God knows what else. Ireland made it clear there was a lot of marketing in the deal and Cordy from the Daily Telegraph said something along the lines that many deals would have been cut with 3rd parties to be able to broker the deal. It looks like it has been in the making for a long time.

As Adelaide found out last year the club must have no involvement in setting up 3rd party deals for players. It is up to the companies to approach the player directly to hire his services. How can this happen if Buddy is supposedly focused on Hawthorn. Unfortunately as we found with Tippett, some players worship $$ and put it above mate-ship.

 

[BobHawk]

I think it's because we (cats and now hawks) presumed that they were going to franchise clubs that weren't a threat during their premiership window and thats why very few begrudged gaz, buddy on the other hand is going to a club that can effectively win anytime over the next few years and that's a knife from a guy who ad nauseam spoke about his love for the club

Plus they get him after picking up Tippett on about $1M per year last year. I think there is a general outcry in the AFL community right now.

 

[Hungry Hawk]

Hey fella's got some great shoes going cheap....

Get in quick!

 

[MinerBoy]

AFL fixture Round 1
Hawthorn v Sydney MCG

You spelt SCG wrong.

 

[Main Man]

I don't care that he is gone (I think our list will be benifit over the next 5 years), I don't care that he has gone to Sydney but the fact that he approached them 12 months ago leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

What I want to know is if he approached Sydney post the meeting with Clarkson in Vegas or prior to that?

 

[Messenger]

On reflection, and reading the various reports, this whole thing has been a long time in the planning. Now, taking that as a given, what we have is a situation where the best interests of the club aren't being considered by Buddy and his management in any way. Firstly, strung us out with a week to make the best of it. Secondly, and most damning, the whole scenario has been constructed in such way that Hawthorn loses everything i.e. a cynical 150 year deal that basically Hawthorn would be insane to match. The Swans gain everything, we lose on face value.

So I say to you people who are magnanimous about Buddy leaving, or can 'understand it', from a list management/trading perspective, think again. The guy has thrown us under a bus. We cannot expect to get anything barring some crap compensation for this, unless something extraordinary happens. If he loved the club and wanted the best for us and his fellow players, this could have been brokered an entirely different way.

It's the very definition of a self-serving deal from both Buddy and the Swans. And as for the Fat Controller, your legacy continues to grow. Frack off to the tennis job or whatever role you're now going to slide into now you've placed your indelible stamp on the game.

My view on this is a little different.

This is free agency. Hawthorn have been a dab hand at extracting required players from other clubs (Burgoyne, Gunston) albeit under a trading regime. We have to cop it sweet.

As to the compensation side of things - We get cap space to keep the other talented players we have - the compensation pick is neither here nor there and any trade that might be possible will never get close to full freight.

Lets consider this though - Lance Franklin turns 27 in January. He will be under contract until near his 36th birthday. He has potentially two or three top flight seasons to go before he gets to the middle of that perposterous deal. It is highly likely his best football will be as a Hawk.

The Swans will load his contract in different years but they still have to come up with 10 million.