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[TheFreshBanana]

Every animal has instincts

The instinct to be wary of unknown things, to mate, to care for your children ect ect

It's hard wired into the subconscious of the brain to ensure the on going survival of the species

I don't think she meant that kind of instinct.

 

[blaze036]

I don't think she meant that kind of instinct.

Well they all come from the same area, what type of instincts?

 

[Magpie Girl]

Pretty much. I don't think we get reincarnated, nor go to a heaven or hell, nor do we become ghosts and such. Once we die, we die, that's the end of it. If that's not the case, I'll be pleasantly surprised (unless I go to hell).

What do you consider spirituality? A spiritual body? To be spiritual?

I'd like to know these better before I give a personal response to them.

I don't believe in heaven and hell.
That's religion.

Have you ever read any books by Elizabeth Kubler Ross?
Particularly one called On Death and Dying.

She was a doctor who did a lot of research into death and dying. It's a remarkable book and shows conclusively that there is life after death

 

[blaze036]

I don't believe in heaven and hell.
That's religion.

Have you ever read any books by Elizabeth Kubler Ross?
Particularly one called On Death and Dying.

She was a doctor who did a lot of research into death and dying. It's a remarkable book and shows conclusively that there is life after death

Can you elaborate?

Conclusively is a big big big call

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Well they all come from the same area, what type of instincts?

I interpreted it as intuition, a sixth sense, I know from studying nursing, people have told me that in this field, there might be no change in the patient but you get a gut feeling that something is wrong and it's important to listen to what your gut feeling is telling you.

I don't think it's anything spiritual or supernatural, but our sub conscious mind of the brain, working at such a capacity it is able to calculate signs you've missed, or subtle hints that have happened and be able to put it all together to form a conclusion.

 

[Hinequarters]

It's interesting that shamans observed in the Amazon who had cures for certain ailments by combining some of the 40,000 plus plants and processing them in a particular fashion could not have stumbled upon so many through trial and error alone.. it would have taken far longer than the human species has been around

The Shamans observed that a particular drug helped them enter the spirit world (a different level of consciousness) and were most often aided by twin snakes.. when researchers asked the Shaman how he knew which plants to combine he made the remarkable and on the surface ludicrous proposal that the plants themselves had told him while in his trance state

It's particularly interesting that the twin snakes imparting knowledge is common to all Shamans no matter geography or culture.. some researchers became convinced the Shamans had found a way to speak to the DNA of the plants and all life.. the twin entwined serpents that encode knowledge was all too easily interpreted as such in the scientific age.. I'm sure it's all hokum.. just a coincidence


You know like the medical profession using this symbol before DNA was discovered

 

[Magpie Girl]

It's interesting that shamans observed in the Amazon who had cures for certain ailments by combining some of the 40,000 plus plants and processing them in a particular fashion could not have stumbled upon so many through trial and error alone.. it would have taken far longer than the human species has been around

The Shamans observed that a particular drug helped them enter the spirit world (a different level of consciousness) and were most often aided by twin snakes.. when researchers asked the Shaman how he knew which plants to combine he made the remarkable and on the surface ludicrous proposal that the plants themselves had told him while in his trance state

It's particularly interesting that the twin snakes imparting knowledge is common to all Shamans no matter geography or culture.. some researchers became convinced the Shamans had found a way to speak to the DNA of the plants and all life.. the twin entwined serpents that encode knowledge was all too easily interpreted as such in the scientific age.. I'm sure it's all hokum.. just a coincidence


You know like the medical profession using this symbol before DNA was discovered

must be just hokum, a coincidence

 

[blaze036]

It's interesting that shamans observed in the Amazon who had cures for certain ailments by combining some of the 40,000 plus plants and processing them in a particular fashion could not have stumbled upon so many through trial and error alone.. it would have taken far longer than the human species has been around

It would of been a through a combination of trial and error and educated guesses thanks to information passed down to them from their elders about certain plants which dramatically reduced the amount of trialling they needed to do.

The Shamans observed that a particular drug helped them enter the spirit world (a different level of consciousness) and were most often aided by twin snakes.. when researchers asked the Shaman how he knew which plants to combine he made the remarkable and on the surface ludicrous proposal that the plants themselves had told him while in his trance state

In the same way that heroine allows you to enter the spirit world / different level of consciousness. It's just a mind altering drug

It's particularly interesting that the twin snakes imparting knowledge is common to all Shamans no matter geography or culture.. some researchers became convinced the Shamans had found a way to speak to the DNA of the plants and all life.. the twin entwined serpents that encode knowledge was all too easily interpreted as such in the scientific age.. I'm sure it's all hokum.. just a coincidence

Some researches believe the world is 6000 years old, so take that with a grain of salt. There are countless explanations as to how different shamans shared similar knowledge of their plant life around there.

Anyway it's an interesting quote, and would be interesting to learn more about those shamans. However it does very little to proving a spiritual world exists

 

[Magpie Girl]

Can you elaborate?

Conclusively is a big big big call

Read some of her work.
I think you will both find it fascinating

 

[Magpie Girl]

It would of been a through a combination of trial and error and educated guesses thanks to information passed down to them from their elders about certain plants which dramatically reduced the amount of trialling they needed to do.


In the same way that heroine allows you to enter the spirit world / different level of consciousness. It's just a mind altering drug


Some researches believe the world is 6000 years old, so take that with a grain of salt. There are countless explanations as to how different shamans shared similar knowledge of their plant life around there.

Anyway it's an interesting quote, and would be interesting to learn more about those shamans. However it does very little to proving a spiritual world exists

Only Collingwood is black and white.
The rest of the world isn't.

Not everything can be explained as a chemical reaction or process

 

[Hinequarters]

It would of been a through a combination of trial and error and educated guesses thanks to information passed down to them from their elders about certain plants which dramatically reduced the amount of trialling they needed to do.

No, you are completely wrong.. it was a purely mathematical problem and 200,000 years simply isn't enough time given the sheer numbers involved, no guess work, simply not possible given statistical probability.. helpful elders notwithstanding

 

[blaze036]

Read some of her work.
I think you will both find it fascinating

I'm looking at some stuff now

Was her proof life after death existed the stories of near-death-experiences?
Did she use other evidence?

 

[blaze036]

No, you are completely wrong.. it was a purely mathematical problem and 200,000 years simply isn't enough time.. helpful elders notwithstanding

How could anyone possibly work out an accurate mathematically estimation of what was and what was not possible when they had no idea how much knowledge was given to them by their parents and grand parents passed down through the generations which would of SIGNIFICANTLY affected the odds when they have so much information on what combinations may and may not work in the first place

(sorry for the lack of punctuation)

 

[Hinequarters]

How could anyone possibly work out an accurate mathematically estimation of what was and what was not possible when they had no idea how much knowledge was given to them by their parents and grand parents passed down through the generations which would of SIGNIFICANTLY affected the odds when they have so much information on what combinations may and may not work in the first place

Because all the numbers are known, and the assumption was that any and all information would be passed on, but in some cases more than a dozen compounds were used in a single cure and the numbers involved are astronomical after that.. so unless humans were around a million years or so earlier there had to be some method of direct knowledge

 

[blaze036]

Only Collingwood is black and white.
The rest of the world isn't.

Not everything can be explained as a chemical reaction or process

What would you say as the reason you believe in spirits or souls?

The world is a truly amazing, deep and complicated place, however when it comes down to it we are just a bunch of materials (carbon oxygen ect) that has come from dead stars millions of light years away that has momentarily come together to be us, and our matter will be something else once we no longer exist.

 

[blaze036]

Because all the numbers are known, and the assumption was that any and all information would be passed on, but in some cases more than a dozen compounds were used in a single cure and the numbers involved are astronomical after that.. so unless humans were around a million years or so earlier there had to be some method of direct knowledge

The numbers are not known as it's impossible to quantify a number on the amounts of information passed down to a certain individual from ancestors over decades and decades, and how many people worked together to figure it out at certain points. To even say you can create an even semi-accurate mathematically equation for that is beyond ridiculous. You even used the word "assumption" which in itself renders the accuracy highly questionable at best

 

[Magpie Girl]

I'll have to come back to this tomorrow.
Going to bed
Sleep well

And sweet dreams

 

[Hinequarters]

The numbers are not known as it's impossible to quantify a number on the amounts of information passed down to a certain individual from ancestors over decades and decades, and how many people worked together to figure it out at certain points. To even say you can create an even semi-accurate mathematically equation for that is beyond ridiculous. You even used the word "assumption" which in itself renders the accuracy highly questionable at best

The number of plants are known, the combination of compounds is known and the number of total combinations possible is known, it's all hard data and it's you that really doesn't know the numbers.. no matter how generous the assumption of knowledge passed on the numbers are astronomical even if you assume a 100% strike rate

 

[blaze036]

The number of plants are known, the combination of compounds is known and the number of total combinations possible is known, it's all hard data and it's you that really doesn't know the numbers.. no matter how generous the assumption of knowledge passed on the numbers are astronomical even if you assume a 100% strike rate

Meh, it's a fruitless discussion as either way it neither proves nor disproves anything about spirituality.

What do you believe in HQ? Atheist? Agnostic? Angry-Buddhism?

 

[Hinequarters]

Meh, it's a fruitless discussion as either way it neither proves nor disproves anything about spirituality.

I'll assume you are conceding the numbers to the mathematicians and science in general.. very sporting of you.. and I'm a non practicing occultist

 

[blaze036]

I'll assume you are conceding the numbers to the mathematicians and science in general.. very sporting of you.. and I'm a non practicing occultist

If it makes you feel better, then yep you're right

Very interesting , have you ever had a supernatural experience?

 

[Hinequarters]

If it makes you feel better, then yep you're right

Very interesting , have you ever had a supernatural experience?

I'm sure science feels better knowing simple mathematics is still inviolable

There is no such thing as supernatural, there is just the natural as yet uncatalogued by science.. but yes once I had a quasi spiritual hypnagogic experience that could be interpreted as such if one was so inclined.. a person of science would classify it differently to a philosopher so it means nothing until it can be proven objectively

I can only say the reality of the experience was no different to the one I'm experiencing now as I type

 

[DThomas]

DThomas, if you don't believe in God, then why do you believe in karma? I'm pretty sure you do because I think you've mentioned it happening to Tahan....

I used to believe in karma, I sort of had to. I've always tried to live as a decent person, be nice, kind etc. to people. So, in my mind, karma HAD to be a thing. Otherwise, why am I bending over backwards to be nice to people? It's easy to be a douchebag, not care for other people's feelings and have fun out of other people's misery. Shit, it's a lovely indulgence. If there was no such thing as karma, no such thing as hell, then why the hell would I follow some sort of moral code?

However, when I decided to become Atheist, it meant to not believe in any of that stuff. No karma, no lucky socks. Otherwise, all I'm doing is being a hypocrite.

No, I never said that. I don't believe in karma. I probably used the word "karma" when a situation occured that was sort of like karma, but I don't personally believe in it. It was more me using the word to describe the situation that occured. It's easier to say "karma" than "you did something bad, and then something bad happened back to you". I use it in a descriptive sense.

And you don't need concepts like karma to make you do the right thing. That's like when Christians try to claim that Atheists are "immoral" or something like that, because they don't believe in heaven and hell, so they don't have any motivating factor to be a good person. Of course, you don't need those things to tell you that things like murder are bad things.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

I don't think murder is the right example, because that is an area where it is pretty much black and white, a right or wrong.

What if you're tired after a long days work, you've just sat down and an old lady comes up and no one is giving her a seat? What is prompting you to offer her your seat?

 

[tazzawazza]

I don't think murder is the right example, because that is an area where it is pretty much black and white, a right or wrong.

What if you're tired after a long days work, you've just sat down and an old lady comes up and no one is giving her a seat? What is prompting you to offer her your seat?

I would give her my seat, it's manners. Older people have weaker bones and less balance and are more likely to fall over or injure themselves on a bus.

What would you do banana?