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He had a bad game two weeks ago.
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1/11 ain't bad
B: M.Hibberd, D.Talia, M.Johnson
HB: K.Simpson, C.Hooker, N.Malceski
C: S.Pendlebury, J.Kennedy, T.Boak
HF: D.Beams, N.Riewoldt, R.Gray
F: L.Bruest, T.Hawkins, J.Schulz
R: A.Sandilands, J.Selwood, G.Ablett
I: T.Rockliff, P.Dangerfield, N.Fyfe, N.Jones
HB: K.Simpson, C.Hooker, N.Malceski
C: S.Pendlebury, J.Kennedy, T.Boak
HF: D.Beams, N.Riewoldt, R.Gray
F: L.Bruest, T.Hawkins, J.Schulz
R: A.Sandilands, J.Selwood, G.Ablett
I: T.Rockliff, P.Dangerfield, N.Fyfe, N.Jones
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Who gives Sandi a chop out in the ruck?
Unfortunately it looks like Michael Johnson's chances of consecutive AA spots are just about gone, you can't make it if you miss a month of footy unless it's say Ablett who could probably get in there on the back of half a season.
Let's not pretend they actually bother with a realistic structure, otherwise there would be genuine back pockets/small forwards in there every year instead of 15 midfielders.
Let's not pretend they actually bother with a realistic structure, otherwise there would be genuine back pockets/small forwards in there every year instead of 15 midfielders.
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You mean Dane Swan isn't a half forward flanker?
Shame for MJ, he was well on track for AA, but iirc didn't a player from a couple of years back make it after missing six games? Stevie J, Buddy?
You mean Dane Swan isn't a half forward flanker?
Shame for MJ, he was well on track for AA, but iirc didn't a player from a couple of years back make it after missing six games? Stevie J, Buddy?
Pretty sure SJ made it from only 16-17 games yeah, but he's vying for a HBF spot and there's just so much competition for those spots. Reckon Sandilands is our only likely one at this stage. Hill a dark horse for a bench spot.
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Actually Stevie J last played 18 or less games in 2009 and he wasn't AA that year. Buddy in 2010 (edit: and in 2012) missed five games and made AA. So there, I suppose, if MJ returns like a house on fire he should still have a shot.
Indeed he is. Gibbs equal tenth on 37.1 good game?
The coaches clearly disagree as he was on 27 votes coming into the round and should be on 37 come Tuesday. 10th is currently on 33 votes so there's a good chance he'll sneak into the top ten.
Also Gray polls for the 9th game in 11 matches to move into 4th (50) ahead of Boak 5th (43). Given the number of games Port have won is there a Brownlow smokey right there? Not sure how well the Aflca and Brownlow votes align historically?.
Equal 8th, in fact. Doesn't get much love but he's having a great season and is in very good company in the award.
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Yeah, but they generally pick two ruckmen, or at least a ruckman/forward in the tippet/petrie mould (not that I can think of any who deserve it this year). Sandi/jacobs seems the likely combo to me.
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I struggle to get excited about the All Australian team these days. It's probably the result of watching my Hawks dominate the previous 2 seasons and finish on top of the ladder with a massive % and somehow the AA selectors have only named a couple of our players and snubbed the winners of our previous 2 best and fairests (Sam Mitchell in 2012 and Josh Gibson in 2013)
That just proved to me the selectors have NFI what they're doing. It makes the whole exercise meaningless when they fail to select the best player of the best team.
I also think the talent is heavily watered down across 18 teams, so you get a lot of B-grade players forging A-grade reputations against C-grade opponents these days. Let's face it - there aren't many great games with individual contests where you can really determine who the best players are. There is such scrutiny placed on every game - many of them meaningless games where the best players take it easy for a half (with the game well in hand.)
Obscure Champion Data Stats seem to have become more and more important in recent years in determining who gets selected.
The whole selection process needs to be revamped. It's voted on by idiotic ex-players up in the commentary booth who spend most of their time talking utter tripe whilst the games are in progress. They meet each other 2-3 times a year to discuss the team and they use stats from Champion Data to confirm their own prejudices & bias towards their favourite players.
They need more input from the coaches & assistants. Maybe each club should submit their own 22 (or 25) to the selection committee and field questions from selectors why they chose Player X and why they left out Player Y.
That just proved to me the selectors have NFI what they're doing. It makes the whole exercise meaningless when they fail to select the best player of the best team.
I also think the talent is heavily watered down across 18 teams, so you get a lot of B-grade players forging A-grade reputations against C-grade opponents these days. Let's face it - there aren't many great games with individual contests where you can really determine who the best players are. There is such scrutiny placed on every game - many of them meaningless games where the best players take it easy for a half (with the game well in hand.)
Obscure Champion Data Stats seem to have become more and more important in recent years in determining who gets selected.
The whole selection process needs to be revamped. It's voted on by idiotic ex-players up in the commentary booth who spend most of their time talking utter tripe whilst the games are in progress. They meet each other 2-3 times a year to discuss the team and they use stats from Champion Data to confirm their own prejudices & bias towards their favourite players.
They need more input from the coaches & assistants. Maybe each club should submit their own 22 (or 25) to the selection committee and field questions from selectors why they chose Player X and why they left out Player Y.
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Even though I'm a Geelong fan, I don't think Joel Selwood has been anywhere near his best form, and he his overall performance so far this season has been well below other midfielders in the league. However I hope that this changes very soon...
I'm not sure about Hill. We are talking about the best 22 players in the whole AFL! I don't think he's been at that standard so far this season
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/allaustralian-midyear-team-an-even-affair-20140610-zs39p.html
Heath Shaw.
(Easily can slot Hibberd into the back pocket and Michael Johnson onto the back flank.Jamie Elliot. Had a good season but Luke Parker should have dibs ahead of him. And B. Harvey.
Matthew Priddis. Another rock-solid season from the veteran but Tom Rockliff should be a lock for this.
Kieren Jack. Can consider himself lucky to have a spot ahead of Boak/Ebert.
Nathan Jones. Like Priddis a good honest toiler but he's not AA. Again Boak/Ebert/Bartel/Heppell all have claims ahead of him.
Michael Johnson. In plenty of cases positions barely matter but down the spine they do and Johnson is not an AA CHB. Put Hooker to CHB, slide Thompson to FB and Johnson across to the flank.
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i agree. I remember the incredulity in 2012 when they picked Naitanui as the Ruck - Jacobs should have been a lock at the ruck position, they just tried to crowbar Cox and Naitanui in there because they liked the ruck/forward combo.
I suppose you could call it a realistic structure as it shares ruck duties, but for me it was more about picking their favourite 18 or 22 players and trying to fit them into positions rather than the best at each position.
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B: Nick Smith, Cale Hooker, Nick Malceski
HB: Shaun Burgoyne, Eric Mackenzie, David Swallow
C: Dyson Heppell, Gary Ablett, Dayne Beams
HF: Luke Parker, Nick Riewoldt, Jack Gunston
F: Luke Breust, Tom Hawkins, Jamie Elliot
R: Aaron Sandilands, Scott Pendlebury, Josh Kennedy
INT: Dion Prestia, Robbie Gray, Travis Boak, Nathan Jones
HB: Shaun Burgoyne, Eric Mackenzie, David Swallow
C: Dyson Heppell, Gary Ablett, Dayne Beams
HF: Luke Parker, Nick Riewoldt, Jack Gunston
F: Luke Breust, Tom Hawkins, Jamie Elliot
R: Aaron Sandilands, Scott Pendlebury, Josh Kennedy
INT: Dion Prestia, Robbie Gray, Travis Boak, Nathan Jones
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The cox/naita choice is actually a rare example of them picking a realistic structure. The only mistake they made was in where they put them on the field. Cox should have been named as the lead ruck, and naita should have got a spot on the bench.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/allaustralian-midyear-team-an-even-affair-20140610-zs39p.html
Heath Shaw.
Jamie Elliot. Had a good season but Luke Parker should have dibs ahead of him. And B. Harvey.
Matthew Priddis. Another rock-solid season from the veteran but Tom Rockliff should be a lock for this.
Kieren Jack. Can consider himself lucky to have a spot ahead of Boak/Ebert.
Nathan Jones. Like Priddis a good honest toiler but he's not AA. Again Boak/Ebert/Bartel/Heppell all have claims ahead of him.
Michael Johnson. In plenty of cases positions barely matter but down the spine they do and Johnson is not an AA CHB. Put Hooker to CHB, slide Thompson to FB and Johnson across to the flank.
I think this is proof that Connolly doesn't watch many games. He pretty much made that side based 100% on stats with the exception of Jamie Elliott which I assume comes down to Vic bias as he stated that Wingard (who is putting up slightly better numbers than Elliott) is competing against Gray (and stating that they are playing different positions this year, so why are they competing against each other?), when he really is competing with Elliott based on that AA structure/lineup.
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Agreed, Connolly is a tosser who knows very little about football and is massively Vic-centric.
Agree on Jack. He's my favourite Swan and he's having a good, consistent year (after recovering from an obvious rib injury that hampered him for the first month). But good, consistent years aren't enough to make the AA team. If he has a brilliant second half of the year, his first half is probably a good enough foundation. But not at this stage.
On the other hand, after a putrid first month (by his standards), Hannebery has been in sensational form and is starting to put himself in contention. But he needs to stay at his current level, given that first month was so forgettable.
If Parker is to be considered it needs to be as a genuine midfielder. Yes, he kicks goals but he does it primarily as an onballer. He's not competing with the likes of Elliott or Wingard. He's been a great contributor this year and hasn't played a poor game, but I don't think he's yet at AA standard.
B: M.Hibberd, A.Carlile, N.Malceski
HB: K.Simpson, C.Hooker, D.Swallow
C: S.Pendlebury, J.Kennedy, T.Boak
HF: D.Beams, N.Riewoldt, R.Gray
F: L.Bruest, T.Hawkins, L.Parker
R: A.Sandilands, J.Selwood, G.Ablett
I: T.Rockliff, P.Dangerfield, B.Harvey, N.Jones
HB: K.Simpson, C.Hooker, D.Swallow
C: S.Pendlebury, J.Kennedy, T.Boak
HF: D.Beams, N.Riewoldt, R.Gray
F: L.Bruest, T.Hawkins, L.Parker
R: A.Sandilands, J.Selwood, G.Ablett
I: T.Rockliff, P.Dangerfield, B.Harvey, N.Jones
