Jason Dunstall vs Tony Lockett

[Gibbke]

Of course.

I'm surprised you needed to ask.

Where's a crosseyed smiley face with a joint hanging out of its mouth when you need one...?

 

[Crankyhawk]

hahaha brings back memories of that song.

I think the same group did the "one tony Lockett" song also. For me Lockett was better, destroyed teams while being double teamed.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Both deserve to be Legends of the AFL. It's always hard to say how a player would go in a different side because they never did. Lockett might not have kicked more goals at Hawthorn as there were other goal-kicking targets while Dunstall may have kicked more at St Kilda/Sydney if he was the only target.

I've got no problems with people that rate Lockett higher but it would only be a smidgen. Dunstall was superb. A proven Grand Final performer (terrible in his first one but then went 6,7,4,6 goals in the next four he played in), a great team player, etc. I have no qualms in nominating Tony Lockett as the scariest footballer I've ever seen - and I mean that as a compliment. The combination of brute strength, skill and outright disregard for the opposition (and the crowd for that matter, that goal he kicked against the Swans to pinch the match when he nearly took out those old folks behind the goals is still one of my favourite non-Hawthorn football memories) was breathtaking.

 

[Pessimistic]

take your hand off it
dunstall was a part of why hawthorn where a side full of greats (thugs)

Lockett is so revered due to kicking so many goals in a basket case side, full of spuds!
less supply, lower quality, less support from team mates.
lockett played in 2 finals series the saints
dunstall team only failed to make them 3 times

to even compare Dunstall close to Lockett is an insult to lockett

Comparing locket to hawthorn ant the hawks were the thugs ?

Triple LOL

 

[Plugger35]

A very good FF? Turn it up. Lockett was a great, an all time great. Dunstall was also an all time great. Don't make Dunstall out to be just some solid AFL citizen just to build your own man's case. Both are in the highest stratosphere of footballers to ever play the game. There's nothing in it.

If Dunstall was great and Lockett was very good I'd support Hawthorn rather than St Kilda.

 

[Pessimistic]

Carey was better than both

Destroyed teams AND topped the ladder.

Not sure how plugger managed to destroy teams and lose lots of games. To think they had a great as a full back too, and a CHF, and aone of the best midfielders ever.....

Can someone explain it to me ?

 

[Cursed Cat]

Carey was better than both

Destroyed teams AND topped the ladder.

Not sure how plugger managed to destroy teams and lose lots of games. To think they had a great as a full back too, and a CHF, and aone of the best midfielders ever.....

Can someone explain it to me ?

kulcha?

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

What is it with this forum? Start comparisons between two of the greatest full forwards in history, and then start slamming into them as part of the argument? Get a life guys FFS.

 

[loki04]

Carey was better than both

Destroyed teams AND topped the ladder.

Not sure how plugger managed to destroy teams and lose lots of games. To think they had a great as a full back too, and a CHF, and aone of the best midfielders ever.....

Can someone explain it to me ?

4 players does not make a great team.

 

[MinerBoy]

If Dunstall was great and Lockett was very good I'd support Hawthorn rather than St Kilda.

Well you've sold me.

 

[FLYINV]

What is it with this forum? Start comparisons between two of the greatest full forwards in history, and then start slamming into them as part of the argument? Get a life guys FFS.

Best post in this thread! Happens too often on Bigfooty

 

[bungholes_premiers]

I'd pick Dunstall tbh. 269 games, 1254 goals. Lockett had 281 games for 1360. Lockett better average but I just always liked Dunstall more as a player and I think he was equally as good if not better than the big man. Should get more recognition J.D I know it's a different game then to what it is now but none come close to him nowadays imo.

Dunstall. Assists

 

[brisbane13]

Comparing locket to hawthorn ant the hawks were the thugs ?

Triple LOL

no you have nothing more to say on Lockett vs dunstall?
Lockett was a thug
the hawks where gutless wonders, snipers

but seeing this is a Lockett vs Dunstall thread keep it as is
if you want to carry on about thugs and gutless wonders start a new thread

 

[adelaidecrows]

Locket was a powerful unit. I think he was great but as a pure footballer Dunstall was better across the board. I agree Locket did bend the rules a bit to get up on his opponents.

 

[brisbane13]

Locket was a powerful unit. I think he was great but as a pure footballer Dunstall was better across the board. I agree Locket did bend the rules a bit to get up on his opponents.

and stevan selvani didnt & he got on the AFl team of the century!
Lockett was the pure footballer
Dunstall had other gun footballers that made him better

 

[MinerBoy]

There should be breathalysers attached to computers to stop people posting stupid shit.

 

[brisbane13]

I see a lot of misnomers in this thread. I don't get the claim that Lockett was an up and down performer, kicking 7 goals one week and one goal the next; while Dunstall was your 4 goal every game type player. Seems like bullshit to me. Lockett was a very consistent goal kicker from game to game. Same with comments on Dunstall having golden service; yes this was true for most of his career, but in the latter stage when the Hawks fell away, an older Dunstall won my complete respect by continuing his good form against the grain and leading his team from the front.

As for the thread question I don't hesitate in choosing Lockett. Dunstall was an absolute champion, but Lockett remains the best full forward I've seen and for me anyway, was a clear step above Dunstall. Plugger was a colossus of a man whose burst of pace for his size was really quite amazing; and one of the best set shots I've ever seen. Had he been somewhat more professional in how prepared for his footy, who knows how high he could have gone.

plugger was amazing, Dunstall wasnt and doesnt isnt worth Locketts arseh*le in comparing the 2
Lockett played in a shit Stkilda side for most of his career, while Dunstall's team was winning grand sinals Locketts team was winning wooden spoons, & Lockett still Kicked more goals

 

[brisbane13]

There should be breathalysers attached to computers to stop people posting stupid shit.

 

[Pessimistic]

no you have nothing more to say on Lockett vs dunstall?
Lockett was a thug
the hawks where gutless wonders, snipers

but seeing this is a Lockett vs Dunstall thread keep it as is
if you want to carry on about thugs and gutless wonders start a new thread

It was your unneccesary comment me old mate.

Whats my crime anyway ? Taking one side in a debate ?

 

[TheSunGod]

Put Dunstall in the sides Plugger used to play for and I wonder how many goals he would have kicked?

 

[Tuco]

You can't really split the two. Both magnificent players.

For me I lean to Lockett, only because while Dunstall was one of the best players of our Age, Tony actually did a Polly Farmer and changed the game in this country forever by getting the Swans and AR into the mainstream in NSW. No mean feat that.

But to say one was better than the other is like choosing your favourite child. It just isn't appropriate.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Congratulations to Dunstall on becoming only the seventh official legend of the Hawthorn football club. Hi joins illustrious company in John Kennedy senior, Leigh Matthews, Graham Arthur, Michael Tuck, Peter Hudson and David Parkin.

I've been on record as saying I would choose Duntall over Lockett. Lockett may have been the better full forward (marginally) but Dunstall was by far the superior team man. Dunstall was one of the very few full forwards who would chase and tackle and pressure and contest. His teammates loved him and I without a moments hesitation would select him in my team as my FF even if Lockett (and Ablett Snr for that matter) were better footballers.

A story about Dunstall that was told to me by a mate who played in a couple of Hawks premierships. Can't remember who they were playing but he was captain and a certain HFF with great skills but no love for the contest (his family is considered royalty at the Hawks) didn't go in hard enough for the ball. Dunstall in the lockers after the game calmly walks up to him, grabs him by the throat, lifts him up and throws him against the locker and in a death stare calmly told him to never pull out of a contest again.

He's the type of player who you love at your club...no frills, hard at it and would always get the job done. Would never let you down.

Very deserving of his award.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...awks-legend-20140712-zt5cg.html#ixzz37HiZAOAw

 

[Modified Dog]

Champion Fitzroy/Collingwood full back, Gary Pert played 233 games from 1982 to 1995

He regularly played on Dunstall, Lockett and Ablett.

He said this on 'Open Mike' the other night:

"Jason Dunstall was the most difficult full forward I ever played on… no matter what I did to him, it was a complete waste of time because I could never ever distract him from the focus of getting the ball and kicking goals…. In a lot of ways, I respected him as the best full forward."

 

[Modified Dog]

In 2011, Wayne Carey was asked to rate the 5 greatest footballers he'd ever seen.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-as-the-greatest/story-fn8ymmuy-1226085117462

1. Jason Dunstall

"I've always said Jason is the best player I've played against and seen. OK, he was in a very good side and a lot of people will argue with me, but I'm going to stick with him and say he was the best."

2. Tony Lockett

"Purely for dragging people to the footy. You didn't know if he was going to kick 20 goals or get 10 weeks for hitting someone. He was unbelievable."

3. Robert Harvey

"Harvey was certainly the best player of the '90s. We were obviously not a bad side in that time and all we worried about with St Kilda, with 'Plugger' having gone to Sydney, was Robert Harvey. He was just brilliant."

4. Greg Williams

"He was an awesome, awesome player. Loved the way he played, the way he was in and under, fed it to (Gerard) Healy, and everyone else for that matter."

5. Michael Voss

"What he did for the Brisbane Lions ... three-time premiership captain… I think he was an awesome player, similar to mould of Greg Williams and a bit like Rob Harvey."

6. Gary Ablett Sr,

"He was definitely the most freakish player that I saw."

Unlucky/next best: James Hird, Stephen Silvagni, Jonathan Brown, Gary Ablett jr, Chris Judd


[On Gary Ablett jr and Chris Judd]

"[They're] the current players I'd put into my top five or 10 in the future, I think they're only three-quarters through their careers. Judd is the 2000s model of Rob Harvey. What Judd and Ablett are doing now, Harvey did for his whole career - over 300 games. For me, it's all about getting your own ball. I think Robert Harvey and Greg Williams certainly did that and so did Michael Voss."


Carey acknowledged Nathan Buckley as a champion, but was happy to leave him out.

"As good as he was ... I can't remember him with his side two or three goals down and him kicking two or three goals to win the game."

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

here's the applicable individual awards for both players, excluding silly club one's like team of the century and club lead goal kicker.

Dunstall:

• Best and Fairest (hawks) 1988, 1989, 1992, 1993
• Coleman 1988, 1989, 1992
• Leigh Mathews Trophy 1992
• All Australian 1988, 1989, 1992, 1994
• Hall of Fame inductee 2002

Lockett

• Brownlow 1987
• Leigh Mathews Trophy 1987
• All time goalkicking record (1360)
• Coleman 1987, 1991, 1996, 1998
• AA 1987, 1991, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1998
• Best and Fairest (saints) 1987, 1991
• Best and Fairest (swans) 1995
• Hall of Fame 2005

so that gives Lockett 3 best and fairest to Dunstall's 4, but plugger also was regarded as the best and fairest player in the league one year. A feat Dunstall never achieved. pretty hard to decide it on best and fairest 4 club B&F's or 3 club B&F's and a Brownlow?

You forgot to mention that two of Dunstall's b&fs were in back to back flags.