Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Supermegaultrathread - It's Never Too Soon edition

[kranky al]

win/win that the trade didnt happen IMO. we would have paid absolute overs, very happy with wright,white that we got and saunders/murdoch from the cripps trade that we wouldnt have got

on your side you'd be without a KPD that you need now that glass is gone

thankfully sanity kind of prevailed on that one

i just wish we knew what your secret is in finding these KPP. seems like every year theres another gun KPP coming out of west coast.

We made a deal with the devil where we get the second sight for picking talls - we didnt read the fine print - we lose all ability to picks mids and small forwards

 

[SpaceClef]

We made a deal with the devil where we get the second sight for picking talls - we didnt read the fine print - we lose all ability to picks mids and small forwards

All good - just play 3 rucks and all will be fine.

 

[BOND 007]

E="Byron_Clanger, post: 34565139, member: 63049"]One of the worst things we did is not trade Mitch Brown to you guys when we had the chance!

[/QUOTE]

Rubbish - Brown has shown this year the importance of KPP's who have some pace. Apart from the regular brain fades he's proved important this year.

The shortened break hurt WC undoubtedly but what was more noticeable was the number of skill execution errors made under pressure. Remember this is basically the same team that beat Adel & Coll when the pressure was less intense. So we know the boys can kick & deliver when in open space but less so when its hot in the kitchen.
Gaff is an exception & Shuey is normally good (made several blues yest) but the rest have issues.
The secret is not drafting pace per se but following the Hawthorn model & drafting kids who can kick.
there are too many players at WC who simply make fundamental kicking skill issues under pressure & the team won't/can't progress until that is rectified.
Spoke with Simpson about this last week & again late last night & his comments about Birchall & Suckling really show his thoughts.

 

[swannies]

Rubbish - Brown has shown this year the importance of KPP's who have some pace. Apart from the regular brain fades he's proved important this year.

The shortened break hurt WC undoubtedly but what was more noticeable was the number of skill execution errors made under pressure. Remember this is basically the same team that beat Adel & Coll when the pressure was less intense. So we know the boys can kick & deliver when in open space but less so when its hot in the kitchen.
Gaff is an exception & Shuey is normally good (made several blues yest) but the rest have issues.
The secret is not drafting pace per se but following the Hawthorn model & drafting kids who can kick.
there are too many players at WC who simply make fundamental kicking skill issues under pressure & the team won't/can't progress until that is rectified.
Spoke with Simpson about this last week & again late last night & his comments about Birchall & Suckling really show his thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Would you put LeCras at the top of the kicking list, Hurn, Butler or Gaff? LeCras, under pressure, is one of the best kicks and we didn't have him out there, I also reckon Butler's kicking under pressure is usually pretty good.
So, my next question BOND 007 is do you get rid of the poor kickers?
Watched Pickett at Swans yesterday, because there wasn't really much to watch on Swans side. For someone highly touted with their skills, there were a lot of kicking errors. Bouncing in front of leading forwards by a good 5 m on most occasions.....

 

[Galileo9]

Following Hawthorn model is harder than it looks. Richmond tried that early in year and look what happened to them. U have to have all pieces in place.

If Wce is to be like hawthorn, it involves a lot of years in doldrums and a lot of luck with players we draft. High skill+can play=high draft pick typically. Rest is really hope that one or other can improve.

In saying that we only need 2-3 good additions by foot to make us a really good team. I wouldn't exactly say players like Spangher are good kicks for hawks. Good kickers open up other teams allowing other players to not be under pressure when kicking the ball.

We also get overrun by shear number of midfield options good teams have. We play too talk in forward line and adding a good small forward will again dramatically change way we play.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Give us Luke Shuey

 

[Patron]

Give us Luke Shuey

Give us heppell?

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Give us heppell?

No go home factor, we got a lot of WA players though

 

[lewigie]

Even Zaharakis would be nice

 

[lewigie]

You can take Wellingham back to Vic. I forgot he was even on our list for a while there

 

[lewigie]

Following Hawthorn model is harder than it looks. Richmond tried that early in year and look what happened to them. U have to have all pieces in place.

If Wce is to be like hawthorn, it involves a lot of years in doldrums and a lot of luck with players we draft. High skill+can play=high draft pick typically. Rest is really hope that one or other can improve.

In saying that we only need 2-3 good additions by foot to make us a really good team. I wouldn't exactly say players like Spangher are good kicks for hawks. Good kickers open up other teams allowing other players to not be under pressure when kicking the ball.

We also get overrun by shear number of midfield options good teams have. We play too talk in forward line and adding a good small forward will again dramatically change way we play.

From the look of the last 3 weeks, it really seems that it is starting to click though. This run and carry game plan is beautiful to watch, and I think there is just a big emphasis on getting the ball from the back line through players like Hurn and Butler (who is usually a neat kick) to the better kicks in the middle like Shuey and Gaff.

When that happens we usually score. The problem is when the ball gets to McGinnity or Priddis or Hutchings in the middle, and the whole thing breaks down (see Matt Priddis' inside 50 yesterday)

we have come a long way since last season, I reckon

 

[lewigie]

Following Hawthorn model is harder than it looks. Richmond tried that early in year and look what happened to them. U have to have all pieces in place.

If Wce is to be like hawthorn, it involves a lot of years in doldrums and a lot of luck with players we draft. High skill+can play=high draft pick typically. Rest is really hope that one or other can improve.

In saying that we only need 2-3 good additions by foot to make us a really good team. I wouldn't exactly say players like Spangher are good kicks for hawks. Good kickers open up other teams allowing other players to not be under pressure when kicking the ball.

We also get overrun by shear number of midfield options good teams have. We play too talk in forward line and adding a good small forward will again dramatically change way we play.

From the look of the last 3 weeks, it really seems that it is starting to click though. This run and carry game plan is beautiful to watch, and I think there is just a big emphasis on getting the ball from the back line through players like Hurn and Butler (who is usually a neat kick) to the better kicks in the middle like Shuey and Gaff.

When that happens we usually score. The problem is when the ball gets to McGinnity or Priddis or Hutchings in the middle, and the whole thing breaks down (see Matt Priddis' inside 50 yesterday)

we have come a long way since last season, I reckon

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Why the animosity to a 1st year player in Sheed ?

 

[SpaceClef]

Why the animosity to a 1st year player in Sheed ?

People are desperately looking for a midfield saviour. Plus we swapped pick 6 with Collingwood for pick 11 because we had so much faith in him, so he'll always be scrutinised harshly by people on here.

 

[eaglespremiers]

People are desperately looking for a midfield saviour. Plus we swapped pick 6 with Collingwood for pick 11 because we had so much faith in him, so he'll always be scrutinised harshly by people on here.

And we are use to squandering our high picks.

 

[SpaceClef]

We also get overrun by shear number of midfield options good teams have. We play too talk in forward line and adding a good small forward will again dramatically change way we play.

Agree. Cripps needs to improve his game so that he gets involved more. He's got good goal sense but goes missing far too much. Ditto Hill. Having both Hill and Cripps in the side basically robs us of a midfield rotation. Replace Hill with Le Cras and we improve. If Karpany develops quickly it will create some healthy competition with Cripps for his spot, which will ensure that small forward is always applying pressure and performing.

Having Lycett up there full time because of the Cox Agreement similarly took away a midfield rotation, and Tunbridge isn't able to do much up the ground at this stage. McGinnity is hit and miss and has hit up targets inside 50 recently but also can be a huge liability under pressure.

In summary, you replace Hill, Cox, Tunbridge, McGinnity with Le Cras and three good mid/utilities and we are a much better side.

 

[BOND 007]

, posy: member: 51846"]Rubbish - Brown has shown this year the importance of KPP's ho have some pace. Apart from the regular brain fades he's proved important this year.

The shortened break hurt WC undoubtedly but what was more noticeable was the number of skill execution errors made under pressure. Remember this is basically the same team that beat Adel & Coll when the pressure was less intense. So we know the boys can kick & deliver when in open space but less so when its hot in the kitchen.
Gaff is an exception & Shuey is normally good (made several blues yest) but the rest have issues.
The secret is not drafting pace per se but following the Hawthorn model & drafting kids who can kick.
there are too many players at WC who simply make fundamental kicking skill issues under pressure & the team won't/can't progress until that is rectified.
Spoke with Simpson about this last week & again late last night & his comments about Birchall & Suckling really show his thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Would you put LeCras at the top of the kicking list, Hurn, Butler or Gaff? LeCras, under pressure, is one of the best kicks and we didn't have him out there, I also reckon Butler's kicking under pressure is usually pretty good.
So, my next question BOND 007 is do you get rid of the poor kickers?
Watched Pickett at Swans yesterday, because there wasn't really much to watch on Swans side. For someone highly touted with their skills, there were a lot of kicking errors. Bouncing in front of leading forwards by a good 5 m on most occasions.....[/QUOTE]

No - you cant eliminate every poor kick as there might not be many left. The answer is selecting/drafting good kicks & utilizing them. Hawthorn as a playing group arent much better than WC in ball winning or even perhaps decision making, what they do better is in having a greater number of options who can execute the skills to their advantage. All teams - even successful ones have players who regularly scrub the ball - but they know their place is not as the mailman as they have better kicking options around them
So its all about ratios

 

[Underdog]

Saw Jarrod Garlett yesterday and whilst I acknowledge it was just one game, I wasn't particularly impressed.

Looked small, outside and his disposal and decision making was mediocre. Perhaps he was just having a poor game.

EDIT: I wasn't watching Souths too closely, I just picked up on Garlett early and followed him. Wish I picked up on Pickett to check him out too.

 

[dajesmac]

People are desperately looking for a midfield saviour. Plus we swapped pick 6 with Collingwood for pick 11 because we had so much faith in him, so he'll always be scrutinised harshly by people on here.

I don't think he's being judged harshly.

The reality is he is not close to being able to impact at AFL level and there are genuine question marks over his game.

Yes he can overcome them but he is, at the minute, more of a passenger than someone like Swift ever was.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Give us Luke Shuey

Done, but we will require Winderlich to be delisted. I swear every time we play the Dons he steps up and kicks a bag on us and its like we never watch previous games we played against ya's. Note to match committee...next game against Essendon tag Winderlich or sack yourself.

 

[kane249]

Done, but we will require Winderlich to be delisted. I swear every time we play the Dons he steps up and kicks a bag on us and its like we never watch previous games we played against ya's. Note to match committee...next game against Essendon tag Winderlich or sack yourself.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say next season, Winderlich won't kick any goals on us

 

[Sammy J]

Won't need to. Winderlich is retiring.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Nah he won't retire now, I just tweeted at him asking him not to

 

[Mattman93]

Spoke with Simpson about this last week & again late last night & his comments about Birchall & Suckling really show his thoughts.

God damnit BOND, who are you?

 

[the harry]

God damnit BOND, who are you?

Vozzo.