Preview National Draft discussion (Picks 14, 35, 43, 58)

[mattymac]

Still. So far. Away.

 

[Mego Red]

I don't get this whole "too short" thing with Caleb Daniel.

The issues I see with lack of height are:

1. may be too easily out-marked. But this is not too big an issue for a midfielder/creative crumbing forward (would be fatal for a defender or KPF).

2. may be too light and too easily brushed aside in the contest (think Mackay). But that hasn't been the case in the SANFL playing against men.

3. may be too easily injured.

Yes, he's short, but I don't think he is fragile. With his clean ball handling, elusiveness, creativity, reasonable pace and elite disposal efficiency I reckon he'll play a lot of games for whoever picks him up.

Am I missing something in the "too small for AFL" argument?

I think it is something to do with height to see across the contest - is that why everyone is suddenly wanting 190cm mids?

 

[danger_to_walker]

I don't get this whole "too short" thing with Caleb Daniel.

The issues I see with lack of height are:

1. may be too easily out-marked. But this is not too big an issue for a midfielder/creative crumbing forward (would be fatal for a defender or KPF).

2. may be too light and too easily brushed aside in the contest (think Mackay). But that hasn't been the case in the SANFL playing against men.

3. may be too easily injured.

Yes, he's short, but I don't think he is fragile. With his clean ball handling, elusiveness, creativity, reasonable pace and elite disposal efficiency I reckon he'll play a lot of games for whoever picks him up.

Am I missing something in the "too small for AFL" argument?

His size limits the positions he can play at AFL level. Boomer has made a fantastic career of being that small forward because of his electrifying pace, but he is an absolute anomaly. Reach, for a mid, is a huge factor. Stand Daniel next to Pendlebury, and Pendles wins the footy nearly every time. If Daniel can use his tank to work to space, or work contest to contest, reading the spill of the ball, then his natural ability will see him succeed. His lack of size will see him boxed out of contested situations, where he can't start in the middle.

At AFL level, he is a small forward, and not much else. It's unfortunate, as he has bags of talent. Love his vision and ball use, and would love to have him delivering the ball into our forward line. Would gladly take a punt on him late, but the chances of him making it at the top level are very slim.

 

[baldandbroke]

His size limits the positions he can play at AFL level. Boomer has made a fantastic career of being that small forward because of his electrifying pace, but he is an absolute anomaly. Reach, for a mid, is a huge factor. Stand Daniel next to Pendlebury, and Pendles wins the footy nearly every time. If Daniel can use his tank to work to space, or work contest to contest, reading the spill of the ball, then his natural ability will see him succeed. His lack of size will see him boxed out of contested situations, where he can't start in the middle.

At AFL level, he is a small forward, and not much else. It's unfortunate, as he has bags of talent. Love his vision and ball use, and would love to have him delivering the ball into our forward line. Would gladly take a punt on him late, but the chances of him making it at the top level are very slim.

To be fair, stand anyone next to Pendlebury, and Pendles wins the footy nearly every time

 

[StonesThrow]

Re: Daniel

I'm curious to know who was the last player around his size (who had his football ability) to try and fail a AFL level??

 

[dogs105]

Re: Daniel

I'm curious to know who was the last player around his size (who had his football ability) to try and fail a AFL level??

Don't know about last, but he is 1cm shorter than Eddie Hocking who was super-skilled, but never really "made it".

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I don't get this whole "too short" thing with Caleb Daniel.

The issues I see with lack of height are:

1. may be too easily out-marked. But this is not too big an issue for a midfielder/creative crumbing forward (would be fatal for a defender or KPF).

2. may be too light and too easily brushed aside in the contest (think Mackay). But that hasn't been the case in the SANFL playing against men.

3. may be too easily injured.

Yes, he's short, but I don't think he is fragile. With his clean ball handling, elusiveness, creativity, reasonable pace and elite disposal efficiency I reckon he'll play a lot of games for whoever picks him up.

Am I missing something in the "too small for AFL" argument?

In regards to getting easily marked out , just kick it along the floor

 

[Freddy Bassett]

The interesting point in all this is....... Geelong obviously assess the quality of the draft pool differently to us.

They were not content with #14 and keen to move up in the first round. They obviously think the higher the first round pick the better for the club (which is pretty obvious isn't it?).

We think 10 or 14 won't make much difference in the first round so better for our total draft package to include a second round pick.

The difference in strategy is even more interesting when you consider we and Geelong have similar needs: a KPD and/or pacey midfielder.

My theory: We would have kept 10 except Walsh wanted us to get a second rounder, so we took up Geelong's offer of a pick swap (based on our assessment of the top-20 talent).

It could turn out to be a brilliant move or a burnout, depending on how good our selections at #14 and #35 become.

I highly doubt it was Walsh who requested it.. I think it was more our recruiting team rating 35-40 players highly and a big drop off after that... This way we will definitely secure two of them and more than likely a 3rd will get through to pick 43

Fill a need at 14 and then best available with our next two.

 

[Bailey01]

I highly doubt it was Walsh who requested it.. I think it was more our recruiting team rating 35-40 players highly and a big drop off after that... This way we will definitely secure two of them and more than likely a 3rd will get through to pick 43

Fill a need at 14 and then best available with our next two.

Shouldn't it be the other way around

 

[boffo]

I highly doubt it was Walsh who requested it.. I think it was more our recruiting team rating 35-40 players highly and a big drop off after that... This way we will definitely secure two of them and more than likely a 3rd will get through to pick 43

FB, Noble said on 5AA the coach was "really clear on making sure we take our first and second round selections".

It's at the 10:37 point in the interview.
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/sport/adelaide-crows-reject-talk-trade-fade

We knew Geelong were in the market for a pick swap, this allowed us to trade away our second round pick for Cheney/Lowden and get it straight back in the pick swap with Geelong (although four places lower of course). To keep the new coach happy, very important!

Given the creative way Noble and team traded to get Brad Couch I'm happy to trust their judgement on these manoeuvres.

 

[LC40]

Shouldn't it be the other way around

I'm with Fred fill our most pressing need with the first pick.

 

[Bicks]

Re: Daniel

I'm curious to know who was the last player around his size (who had his football ability) to try and fail a AFL level??

Without looking at their exact relative sizes Nahas comes immediately to mind.

 

[Red mist]

Noticed on the way home today on 5AA, Bicks hinted at the need for KPD over the other needs.

 

[StonesThrow]

Without looking at their exact relative sizes Nahas comes immediately to mind.

Think there is a decent gap between football ability with those two.

 

[Bicks]

Think there is a decent gap between football ability with those two.

I've watched a fair bit of VFL footy throughout the last decade and believe me at that level Nahas looked very impressive, hence him getting drafted to an AFL team and let's not forget he has a fair head start on Caleb with 91 AFL games under the belt. Just checked Nahas's vitals on Footywire and though he looked like a midget at AFL level he's 8cm taller than Caleb. Everyone truly hopes Caleb can make an impact at AFL level but the odds are stacked against him I believe.

 

[Red mist]

I hope when pick 14 comes around we don't ask for more time.

 

[boffo]

I hope when pick 14 comes around we don't ask for more time.

But that could be a good sign, couldn't it?


Ogilvie: "Well f.... me, I didn't expect XXX to still be available!. I had him going at #7".

Noble: "Oh well, he's still there, we have to take him. (pause) Don't we?"

Ogilvie: "Yep, let's do it."

Noble: "Number 37465, Sam Durdin".

 

[jackster83]

In regards to getting easily marked out , just kick it along the floor

The VB trademark smothered kick (where it then rolls to where Daniel is waiting) could become a set play!

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Noticed on the way home today on 5AA, Bicks hinted at the need for KPD over the other needs.

For both Crows and Port as they both lack depth in this area.

Ramsey for our 3rd rounder prior to Port could be an astute choice.

 

[Red mist]

But that could be a good sign, couldn't it?


Ogilvie: "Well f.... me, I didn't expect XXX to still be available!. I had him going at #7".

Noble: "Oh well, he's still there, we have to take him. (pause) Don't we?"

Ogilvie: "Yep, let's do it."

Yeah I guess so, that's taking the best available approach. But what if it's an inside mid?
I like the idea of filling the need as well. Bickley hinted on KPD being the biggest need today. Durdin, Goddard or Marchbank, maybe Tom Lamb may be the first round target.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Shouldn't it be the other way around

In my opinion no..
We need pace and we need a key defender .. Who we pick at 14 should be determined by what kinds of player will likely be available at 35 and 43..

For example if there is a glutton of key defenders who should be available at 35 and 43 we will not go for a key defender at 14...
If we go for best available first up it limits our flexibility to pick up sliders..

I think anyone who has played our draft game that we play Xmas time doesn't generally pick best available first pick.. It's generally key forwards and defenders

 

[Tex200]

FB, Noble said on 5AA the coach was "really clear on making sure we take our first and second round selections".

It's at the 10:37 point in the interview.
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/sport/adelaide-crows-reject-talk-trade-fade

We knew Geelong were in the market for a pick swap, this allowed us to trade away our second round pick for Cheney/Lowden and get it straight back in the pick swap with Geelong (although four places lower of course). To keep the new coach happy, very important!

Given the creative way Noble and team traded to get Brad Couch I'm happy to trust their judgement on these manoeuvres.

Lol - it's not that complicated is it.

All linked!!!

 

[Mego Red]

I'm actually looking forward to this year's draft. We have two obvious needs, and there should be a couple of KPD's and a couple of outside mids available at our pick. Interesting to see what we do.

 

[Red mist]

I'm actually looking forward to this year's draft. We have two obvious needs, and there should be a couple of KPD's and a couple of outside mids available at our pick. Interesting to see what we do.

There's also the X factor. Nakia.

 

[boffo]

Found Faith's phantom draft of 2009, when he had 'inside information'. Not bad, first 8 were spot on (selections, not his comments!). Where are you now when we need you son?


Faith's top 17 (Inside Source)....

Final List of priority and 1st round: (Where i think players will end up, not where i rate them):

1Melb: Scully; (Clearly 2nd best player, not as good as Treng, but still brilliant. More marketable so will go 1.)

2Melb: Trengrove; (The best player in my opinion, has everything, best player to come out of SA since Pavlich. Future captain and AA Should be pick 1);

3Rich:Martin; (Rich are favoured to get Martin here, but Morabitto and Cunnington are better prospects.)

4Freo:Morabitto: (Queries on his work rate. 3rd best player, but Rich maybe scared off and go for safe option, freo will snap him up. The next Headland. Would go 1 if his work rate was better.)

5NM:Cunnington (Clearly the best 5 players. NM want him. Rated higher than Martin).

6.Syd:Rohan (Gun attributes but doesnt get involved enough. Whispers he may slip further down, but shouldnt.)

7.WC:Sheppard (I hope crows get him at 13. One of my favourite players. Reminds me of a young version of Vince.)

8.PA: Butcher (too big a talent not too get here and PA need someone like this, GUN Forward);

9.PA: Melksham (Have been linked heavily to him recently, complements their midf well);

10.Ess: Lucas (They have been heavily linked to him recently, i dont rate him that highly);

11.Melb: Daniel Talia (Looks like a very good forward and defensive prospect);

12.Carl: Black (Shot up recently, Mixture of Danger/Otten/Burton. Carlton want Talia but i think Melb will take him);

13.Adel: JMP (inside info. They want him)...Id rather have Sheppard.);

14.Syd: Koby Stevens (Love this kid. Leader, in and outside player. Exactly what Sydn need);

15.WB: Moore (very good prospect, would fit in very well at the bulldogs);

16.PA: Tapscott (PA would like this guy at this pick);

17.Geel: Carlisle (Huge potential, can play KB or KF).