The never ending Priddis debate - part II

[Miguel Sanchez]

What's wrong with making that assessment? it's more arrogant to say 'orr what would u know your not a coach' as your empty rebuttal.

Your view is so diametrically opposed to that of Simpson, the club's coaching staff and the coaching fraternity in general that it's impossible to make any inference other than that you're saying they're all wrong and you're right.

But if you're saying you don't know better than them, how can you be right and they're wrong?

 

[kranky al]

Your view is so diametrically opposed to that of Simpson, the club's coaching staff and the coaching fraternity in general that it's impossible to make any inference other than that you're saying they're all wrong and you're right.

But if you're saying you don't know better than them, how can you be right and they're wrong?

conversely if priddis is a brownlow medal winning mid that is all that and a bit more - how come hes playing on a hff more and more - and why is it we all of a sudden look so dynamic with shuey and yeo in the guts - at least till yeo runs out of puff

if you had the choice would you have a 22 yo priddis - or a 22 yo yeo - there is such a blind spot on this board for this player - it defies description

last year early on in the year guys would come on here and point out that his disposal sucked - pruddites would point to the cd de rating and say its not that bad

i started making vids that blew the cd de rating out of the water - then we started in about how he doesnt defend - and as a result we get killed on the rebound



so the goalposts moved and it was all about how noone else can get the ball - and that laughably - chasing players wasnt his job

elliot yeo and shuey prove that they can "get the ball" and defend - brilliantly



the whole time after september we have a brownlow rubbed in our faces - yet we are moving this amazing player whos won a brownlow onto a hff and the team are better for it.

the levels of delusion here are like peeling an onion - you just find another layer of self delusion each time - but heres the thing - just like an onion it gets smaller and smaller - and will eventually disappear

 

[Smotie]

Your view is so diametrically opposed to that of Simpson, the club's coaching staff and the coaching fraternity in general that it's impossible to make any inference other than that you're saying they're all wrong and you're right.

But if you're saying you don't know better than them, how can you be right and they're wrong?

My view is what I see unfold on the screen.
Even the most ardent priddis supporter agrees his disposal is poor.

It is a lost argument when you dismiss what takes place in front of your eyes and you defer to the coaches etc.

Obviously I don't have any most here including you don't have coaching experience. But to say I am wrong because I am not a coach or part of the fraternity works both ways when you say a player is playing well.
Many here think that bennell was hard done by being dropped, are they wrong and Simpson wrong?
Many say that msginnity should not have been played, are they wrong g because Simpson was playing him?

Clearly you can see his disposal is poor by foot and agree he has limitations with speed etc so Simpson playing him is not a validation or acceptance of those limitations is it?
Maybe he rates his other strengths enough to keep him in the side, maybe he can't drop him as he has been instructed by higher up. What is clear is that even you scratch your head when he has got coaches votes when he wasn't bog or even close to it, most of us do. We don't have all the facts except what we are told and what we see.

But to say I am wrong because I am not a coach is simplistic bullshit.
Am I wrong about my political views because I am not prime minister?
Am i wrong about my opinion on indiginous Australians issues because I am not an aboriginal elder?
Am I wrong about coca cola because I am not CEO of coca cola?

 

[DickDunn]

That is how it started originally
A question of his role / ability.
Some people questioned it 5 years ago and were met with a barrage of
"At least he gets it"
"Only one who tries"
"Coaches love him"
"He gets Brownlow votes"
"Look...stats stats and more stats"

So if you were to come on and declare that position that you have...that is now widely accepted 3-4 years ago you would have got the any of the above replies hidden behind a "oh I just don't like that you slag him off" gatekeeper response and here we are.

I don't think anyone is being hyper critical. I thought he did his role, did I think he was awesome in the clinches? No
Do I think he deserved near on BOG status by the coaches? No
Think people ... myself included are amused at the lauding he gets for executing basic skills like he tore the game apart with a ground ball win and handball.

Yeah fair enough, I guess I just find it amusing that people take the "Brownlow medallist/absolute gun/A+++ grade star" stuff seriously enough to respond to it. Should be taken with a grain of salt in just the same way as the moronic suggestion that we should pick McGinnity over him.

 

[kranky al]

i love it when he actually gets a basic 30m kick under no pressure right - and some pruddite will actually go to the bother of youtubing it as if that proves that he is actually a star.

yeah nah

 

[domo]

Yeah fair enough, I guess I just find it amusing that people take the "Brownlow medallist/absolute gun/A+++ grade star" stuff seriously enough to respond to it. Should be taken with a grain of salt in just the same way as the moronic suggestion that we should pick McGinnity over him.

hell yeah I'd pick him. The bar is set so low for the player in priddis' role you could put any player in that position. However! as I have ranted on and on about for the last two years... today's game is not about playing your best mids (rovers) with ONLY ONE supposed advanced footy attribute - being "in and under" .. Or "goes in a gets it"
PLEASE stop being so simplistic.
You will get more out of ANY player than priddis who has 2-3 positive player attributes. AND you SURE as hell should be playing rovers in there who do!!

Still no one breaks down player attributes of Priddis vs Ginner like I did ??? instead the priddiots parrot the same old rubbish with all the same old disclaimers

 

[DickDunn]

Yeah OK mate

 

[domo]

Your view is so diametrically opposed to that of Simpson, the club's coaching staff and the coaching fraternity in general that it's impossible to make any inference other than that you're saying they're all wrong and you're right.

But if you're saying you don't know better than them, how can you be right and they're wrong?

That's right.. my view is counter the "experts" and I have detailed why over and over. We're already seeing perhaps I and others were/are right with the better performances of WCE and the rise of other mids as priddis spends less time in the centre. Where has WCE been the last 2-3 years ??? When have you ever seen a side who has "the brownlow medalist" do so poorly ???? strange co-incidence isn't it ...

 

[WereFlyingHigh4]

So our brownlow medallist needed others to make him better?
Should be the other way around.

I think you guys are missing the point. Priddis has been and only ever will be a third or fourth mid and is one dimensional in that he is an inside player.
The heat is now off him as yeo and shuey are taking most of the attention along with lecras. Priddis is where he needs to be...third or fourth. He has never been able to drag our side anywhere near a contender like yeo and shuey are starting to do.
Its been our point all along and simpson moving him away from the main gig to the hff is proof of that.

Priddis has been an average afl player in the last few weeks. Notjing more and nothing less. Hes been instructed clearly to hand ball more because of his kicking.

All these points you priddis lovers are brushing under the carpet conveniently as simpson has clearly made the move because he has admitted after the freo debacle that "it was unnaceptable".

Now when he ia starting to be a decent footballer because of this you are crowing as is you won the argument but it is exactly the opposite.
I guarantee if selwood and rosa come back and we return to our usual vanilla midfield combo with priddis as lur number one we will return to shit.

Its glaringly obvious simpson has made the move and you priddis lovers are trying to gloss over it with stats but wont accept he is now on the way out and our argument has been validated.

I don't consider myself a Priddis lover at all, i am usually one of the first to criticise him but I think over the last few weeks he has had other midfielders peforming around him which has benefited his game. All the other good midfielders in the comp have support around them. Look at Freo, around Fyfe they have Mundy, Barlow, Neale, Hill etc. and they can take the pressure and the workload off Fyfe. Now that Pridda has Yeo, Shuey, Sheed and co. stepping up, his flaws are covered up easier and he can just play the extractor role that feeds it out to the likes of Yeo, Shuey and Gaff who all have nice kicks and can link up play. I'd say Priddis would be in the top 2-3 for winning the contested ball so i'm happy him playing that role. Not to mention the fact that Pridda is one of the few that can stick a hard tackle in the team more often than not, a lot of his grunt work goes unnoticed because people are too busy worrying about a clanger or two he does. Not saying i'm a huge fan of him but a lot of the criticism he gets is undeserved.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

That's right.. my view is counter the "experts" and I have detailed why over and over. We're already seeing perhaps I and others were/are right with the better performances of WCE and the rise of other mids as priddis spends less time in the centre. Where has WCE been the last 2-3 years ??? When have you ever seen a side who has "the brownlow medalist" do so poorly ???? strange co-incidence isn't it ...

Well Gold Coast hasn't done all that well with Ablett. Carlton's won about 1 final in Judd's time there.

So you're saying you do know more than the experts? That was my real issue with your position. I just don't think you can hold the views you do but say "Well I'm not saying I know more than the coaches but..."

 

[kranky al]

Well Gold Coast hasn't done all that well with Ablett. Carlton's won about 1 final in Judd's time there.

So you're saying you do know more than the experts? That was my real issue with your position. I just don't think you can hold the views you do but say "Well I'm not saying I know more than the coaches but..."

gold coast did a hell of a lot better with ablett - as did carlton in the first coupla years with judd - carlton actually went from a rabble to finals under judd

 

[domo]

Yeah OK mate

so you agree??

I love it.. you shitcan one of our OWN players saying he is the worst player on the list with no stated basis.. or reasoning.. But if I do it and provide evidence I'm the traitor.. or have no credibility ... Or I am being "ridiculous"

put it on the line when you make a statement or judgement what your basis is? ?? ?
still waiting???

 

[domo]

Well Gold Coast hasn't done all that well with Ablett. Carlton's won about 1 final in Judd's time there.

So you're saying you do know more than the experts? That was my real issue with your position. I just don't think you can hold the views you do but say "Well I'm not saying I know more than the coaches but..."

Please??! so Priddis is the same worth to a team as Abblett or Judd??? Its no wonder they are doing WORSE up there at GC without him. And we're doing BETTER 'without' priddis..

I'm sure there are plenty of things footy experts and coaches know more about than me. I'm not afraid to be wrong. I don't see how saying "what would you know you're not a coach" is a counter argument?? Obviously, they don't agree with me. Obviously they rate him enough to still play him. If I can be wrong. So can they. We'll soon see who was "right" in this one player issue.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Please??! so Priddis is the same worth to a team as Abblett or Judd??? Its no wonder they are doing WORSE up there at GC without him. And we're doing BETTER 'without' priddis..

Did I say that? You asked when a team with the Brownlow medalist had performed so poorly.

I'm sure there are plenty of things footy experts and coaches know more about than me. I'm not afraid to be wrong. I don't see how saying "what would you know you're not a coach" is a counter argument?? Obviously, they don't agree with me. Obviously they rate him enough to still play him. If I can be wrong. So can they. We'll soon see who was "right" in this one player issue.

You're right, "you're not a coach" isn't a valid counter argument any more than "just because theyre coaches doesn't mean I'm wrong" isn't a valid argument.

I just don't see how you think your extreme view - that Priddis is the worst player on our list (if not the AFL) - can mean anything other than you knowing more than the collective minds of AFL coaches.

As for the "I'm already being proved right" argument, he was still a big part of our midfield on the weekend, leading the side in possessions, contested possessions, and clearances, in a game where we won the midfield battle and beat a premiership fancy at their home. Doesn't that in fact prove one of the main arguments of the pro-Priddis crowd - that if he's surrounded by quality players and able to get the ball out to better disposers, our midfield will be much better off?

 

[domo]

Okay here are some videos

This is Priddis' involvements in the game


Here's some highlights of mostly the other mids from the game:

 

[domo]

Did I say that? You asked when a team with the Brownlow medalist had performed so poorly.

Okay I see your point.

You're right, "you're not a coach" isn't a valid counter argument any more than "just because theyre coaches doesn't mean I'm wrong" isn't a valid argument.

I just don't see how you think your extreme view - that Priddis is the worst player on our list (if not the AFL) - can mean anything other than you knowing more than the collective minds of AFL coaches.

As for the "I'm already being proved right" argument, he was still a big part of our midfield on the weekend, leading the side in possessions, contested possessions, and clearances, in a game where we won the midfield battle and beat a premiership fancy at their home. Doesn't that in fact prove one of the main arguments of the pro-Priddis crowd - that if he's surrounded by quality players and able to get the ball out to better disposers, our midfield will be much better off?

lets just have a look at the videos above.. You can't tell me almost any other player on the WCE list could NOT DO at least what priddis contributed? And in fact if we substituted a player with more strings to his bow into his position, how could we not be better off? Why not play a more dynamic player as your "go in a get it guy" (YAWN at that phrase)

 

[The Falcon Strike]

lets just have a look at the videos above.. You can't tell me almost any other player on the WCE list could NOT DO at least what priddis contributed? And in fact if we substituted a player with more strings to his bow into his position, how could we not be better off? Why not play a more dynamic player as your "go in a get it guy" (YAWN at that phrase)

The reality is right now... no - no one else would be able to win as much in tight ball as Priddis.

I re-watched most of the first half yesterday and very often at contests Yeo and Gray were one-on-one at stoppages and he was torched.

I love Yeo and think he will be the gun midfielder we need and think he will be dynamic at stoppages - but right now Priddis is winning more of that hard ball.

There was another instance where Boak stiff armed a Shuey tackle and broke free.. that rarely happens against Priddis.

Now if you ask me who I would prefer in our side out of those three... I choose Priddis last, but that doesn't mean he is useless.

ANd finally - the argument of a bloke with more stings to his bow... you could say that about any player in the league besides ablett..

 

[DickDunn]

so you agree??

I love it.. you shitcan one of our OWN players saying he is the worst player on the list with no stated basis.. or reasoning.. But if I do it and provide evidence I'm the traitor.. or have no credibility ... Or I am being "ridiculous"

put it on the line when you make a statement or judgement what your basis is? ?? ?
still waiting???

I didn't say any of those things. Can you even read?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Why are you yawning at a phrase you used?

The stats show other players do not get first hands on the ball as regularly as he does. That's something that the coaching fraternity clearly value, you hear them talking about clearances, first hands and ground-ball gets all the time. If we had a more dynamic player in that position, we'd be better off around the ground but we'd be worse off in those key stats, meaning we'd have to win the ball off the opposition some other way more of the time.

 

[ZergMinion]

lets just have a look at the videos above.. You can't tell me almost any other player on the WCE list could NOT DO at least what priddis contributed? And in fact if we substituted a player with more strings to his bow into his position, how could we not be better off? Why not play a more dynamic player as your "go in a get it guy" (YAWN at that phrase)

We can tell you, but you won't listen.

 

[Smotie]

Lol.
We win one game against decent opposition and the priddis lovers are out in force like he influenced the game and he was the reason we won.
Shuey had far more impact and didn't feature in the votes by the coaches.
Watching those videos shows a typical game by priddis. Nothing special. Lots of burned handballs and a few constructive hand balls.
Lots of shit disposal to team mates at their feet or who were about to be tackled so our momentum stops.
But we beat port so it must have been because of him right?
Well since we last played a decent side, freo, what's changed is the midfield setup. Shuey, yeo, duggan and lecras. Priddis moved to hff.
So from that basis we won because of the changed midfield dynamic not because priddis got the hard ball. Hes been doing that for seven years and we have won jack shit.

 

[domo]

Why are you yawning at a phrase you used?

The stats show other players do not get first hands on the ball as regularly as he does. That's something that the coaching fraternity clearly value, you hear them talking about clearances, first hands and ground-ball gets all the time. If we had a more dynamic player in that position, we'd be better off around the ground but we'd be worse off in those key stats, meaning we'd have to win the ball off the opposition some other way more of the time.

because its seems its the only language a lot of people understand and which defines priddis' (only) "role". Priddis falls over too easy, he is not a one touch extractor, he has poor vision.. Burns at least 50% of these wonderful stats everyone juices about. See Smotie's post!
He is very very average at this supposed specialty skill he has. Put anyone else in that position for all those years and they too would have all those wonderful stats.
The difference being I bet they'd be more meaningful, damaging and effective.

 

[new breed]

As one of our two designated inside midfielders , he is the best at the position .
Selwood could take his place maybe but this would involve another three year thread .

Colledge and Waterman not ready .

Doesnt this sum up the Priddis situation ? .... pretty easy to see why he is being played .

Why fuss about it , plenty of more attractive aspects of the footy development at the club at the moment .....go with the flow , accept those things you cant change ....be possitive and try to be happy about it.

 

[kranky al]

Why are you yawning at a phrase you used?

The stats show other players do not get first hands on the ball as regularly as he does. That's something that the coaching fraternity clearly value, you hear them talking about clearances, first hands and ground-ball gets all the time. If we had a more dynamic player in that position, we'd be better off around the ground but we'd be worse off in those key stats, meaning we'd have to win the ball off the opposition some other way more of the time.

with our clear ruck dominance we should be streets ahead anyway - watch the first half where priddis is getting first use of the ball and doing sfa constructive with it - compared to the second half where its being tapped out to the players who can run and stun.......

at the end of the day none of us know whether nn is being told to tap to priddis or not - but the sheer predictability of this allied with his poor disposal and lack of pace make for shit footy - the second half was so much better in this regard.


priddis needs to block for the runners more - his lack of blocking is pathetic esp for such a strong bloke - he has the tools to do this - he also needs to handball to where they are going to be - not to where they are - momentum killer - second half again was a lot better

 

[domo]

As one of our two designated inside midfielders , he is the best at the position .
Selwood could take his place maybe but this would involve another three year thread .

Colledge and Waterman not ready .

Doesnt this sum up the Priddis situation ? .... pretty easy to see why he is being played .

Why fuss about it , plenty of more attractive aspects of the footy development at the club at the moment .....go with the flow , accept those things you cant change ....be possitive and try to be happy about it.

I'm actually extremely excited and positive this year! Finally Simpson is playing first year players straight away .. moving into the midfield fast aggressive and strong players.. FINALLY to match the other teams and take advantage of the awesome forward line potential we have. Our defense especially showed on the weekend that its up to it! And that group got almost no credit it seems for the victory... Butler, Sheppard and Mcgovern saved our bacon esp in the last quarter. And Lecras... he messed up a bit but he was everywhere! he is my man crush!! could become the best eagle ever ... .. he is michael jordan-esk with how he moves relative to other players. how hard does he work too!!! would love to see the KMs he travels running (espec compared to priddis.. trotting kms )
I've watched Colledge and Waterman. They are ready.