Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[aCunningPlan]

It is according to the AFL and the Sydney Swans etc

No it is not. They aren't saying it was racist to boo Rioli after his chicken wing in the grand final. They are saying it is racist to boo Goodes for 'sooking' over being racially vilified.

 

[mick]

Which would be a bit strange because Goodes didn't slide in knees first and the ankle Gibson hurt wasn't on the leg that Goodes made contact with.

FFS.. really? You wan't to go down that path? I can't remember Goodes being boo-ed en-masse before that incident, at least by Hawthorn fans. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but from my perspective that was when it started.

I don't really care whether Goodes caused the injury because the point is some fans thought he did and boo-ed him for it. BTW Gibson came off the ground immediately after the collision with Goodes who slid in "feet" first and didn't return to the field for two weeks. I think Gibson believed Goodes caused the injury as evidenced by his abuse towards him from the IC bench.

 

[SSwans2011]

This essentially hits the nails on the head.

White Australians will advise non-white Australians as soon as they start being racist, it has been decided.

“This is a good system that removes any confusion,” a spokesperson said. “At the moment we’re not being racist, but we’ll let you know if that changes. We’re experts on this, so there’s nothing you need to worry about”.

Another spokesperson – who has extensive experience in the racism area – strongly agreed. “I understand that this can be complex for some people – it is a little tricky if you’re not experienced in this kind of thing – but we’ve got it covered, ok?”

He said there was no need to get all uptight. “What’s important is that we take the emotion out of this issue and just stick to the facts. That way we can just get everything back to normal”.

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2015/07...-being-racist-white-people-tell-black-people/

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Look at those poor Carlton fans. Under attack. That bloke down the front is about to jump over the fence to dodge the imaginary spear. Poor bloke's scared out of his wits.

it's not threatening. he's sticking it to them. he's saying 'how do you like me now huh??' - well the fans have answered.

 

[kfc1]

I have heard some media people referring to his dance as a traditional aboriginal dance - wan't it made up in the previous few weeks by some kids? ie an under 16 Indigenous team? Can someone tell me what is so traditional about that?

The IRB called and are going to ban it for not being a significant part of Australian culture

 

[Suma Magic]

Okay. What's your point?

That if an Aboriginal person has booed Goodes in the last few years, it is unlikely to be due to racism.

And that given the booers number the tens of thousands, it would be silly to discount the possibility that any people with Aboriginal descent have booed Goodes.

This is just in the context of the accusations by the Swans that all booers are racists.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the booing and think it needs to stop. I just don't think making blanket accusations of racism when you can't be sure that they are accurate is the best way to address the issue. In fact, I think it has made the situation is worse. If the swans had merely said that it is now linked to racism (in some way), rather than it is/was racism, then that would have been accurate.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Adam Goodes has done that once. As far as I am aware, and you are welcome to prove otherwise, he was not aware of negatively affecting anyone's mental health or wellbeing when doing so. It was meant to make a one-off point at worst.

That is a vastly different circumstance to now what is going on towards Goodes in return. Which is nothing short of continued, ongoing retribution. Which is clearly affecting the personal wellbeing of an AFL player.

You are precisely the sort of person I was referring to. Totally lacking the empathy to couch what is going on in human terms. To you it is simply a matter of base revenge, and bugger the consequences.

You must feel so big and so proud.

that's how crowds work. maybe valueable experience for when goodes enters politics.

putting out a fire requires water not more fuel.

 

[Pack Specialist]

Id like to thank you for speaking out. Its interesting to hear an indigenous voice in this thread. We keep being told all indigenous ppl are hive-mind mentality.

So many whites in here spewing accusations of racism. Im curious are you?

To clarify, is the question am I racist or am I accusing people of being racist to Goodes?

 

[Macca81]

Does he deserve to be booed in every game for the rest of his career for that? When does it stop? Maybe only after he's forced into premature retirement?

He turns 36 next year, and was dropped to the 2's earlier in the year because others have gone past him..

The boos will probably stop now because it is seen as bullying. But to call it racism is just plain wrong.

 

[Merdel]

Wont be supprised is jetta gets bood by eagles supporters in the future as he gave them all the fist last week. That wasnt very nice

 

[hardon]

No no no! It's like idiots trying to kill the admin of their favourite footy forum with their brainless analogies.

Brainless analogies? Oh shit man! The bar was set waaaay early in this thread, and I haven't seen it approached since:

Did you boo Neil Daniher for raising awareness for MND?

Did you boo Shane Crawford for riding across the country for breast cancer?

Did you boo Nick Riewolt for organising Maddie's Match?

Did you boo Mark Thompson for speaking up about mental illness?

 

[Spook]

You answer mine. There's a difference between sports and politics, and that's why this sporting issue became a political issue, and wasn't one from the get-go.

The answer to yours is yes, you are allowed to voice your disdain. And does it make you a racist? Yes. You're either booing for racist reason, or engaging in racist behaviour, as you're booing alongside people that are racists. I don't understand why you'd want to make yourself a part of that.

So is it racist if I boo Selwood?

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

He got negative attention from the Carlton fans that night. I don't think anyone can fault Carlton fans for booing him then.

Does he deserve to be booed in every game for the rest of his career for that? When does it stop? Maybe only after he's forced into premature retirement?

it wasn't just this. it this was the big cherry on top of the reasons to hate goodes cake. now does he deserve it for the rest of his career? no. but he's contributed to something which is now totally out of control.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

To clarify, is the question am I racist or am I accusing people of being racist to Goodes?

No no to the former! Sorry. I should clarify...

Im saying do you think white people are targeting him solely from skin colour, that its racially fueled?

 

[Dacksaredown]

Brainless analogies? Oh shit man! The bar was set waaaay early in this thread, and I haven't seen it approached since:

Crawford has breast cancer? Shit, I really need to go back and read this whole shebang.

 

[Pack Specialist]

i hope you keep posting. It's better than hearing others tell you what 'your people' should be feeling or are feeling; as if you were a pack who were spoken for or represented by a few 'leaders' under one culture.

I only keep posting because I am passionate about Indigenous Australians and there is a lot of ignorance in this thread, I know I am ignorant also and I also have a lot to learn.

I just hope people actually realise, that they are operating and opining on the assumption of what they believe to be indigenous culture, as opposed to what is indeed... actually indigenous culture.

 

[Kummerspeck]

FFS.. really? You wan't to go down that path?

I have no desire to go down any path except to point out what isn't correct. Goodes didn't slide in on Gibson.

 

[SSwans2011]

That if an Aboriginal person has booed Goodes in the last few years, it is unlikely to be due to racism.

And that given the booers number the tens of thousands, it would be silly to discount the possibility that any people with Aboriginal descent have booed Goodes.

This is just in the context of the accusations by the Swans that all booers are racists.

Don't get me wrong, I hate the booing and think it needs to stop. I just don't think making blanket accusations of racism when you can't be sure that they are accurate is the best way to address the issue. In fact, I think it has made the situation is worse. If the swans had merely said that it is now linked to racism (in some way), rather than it is/was racism, then that would have been accurate.

Refer to bold text in quote. Moving on...

What everyone needs to understand is that Swans fans are not suggesting everyone that boos are doing it for racist reasons. We are suggesting that by booing you are engaging in racist behaviour, as their certainly are racist booers, and you're aligning yourself with them. Essentially, you're not intentionally being racist, but your actions are being perceived as racist (which makes them racist btw), because of the people you are booing alongside.

Like you said though, the booing needs to stop. That should be the end of it. No other debate should be required; it's affecting Adam, so it should stop.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Wait, what? So he lost the excuse of being a human being for doing a war dance that some local Indigenous kids taught him? Even if he was wrong for performing the dance, why on Earth does that deny him the right to have feelings?

Why don't we start abusing anyone who is forced to pay compensation for a civil charge? They've done something wrong too. Who cares about their feelings?

"Make a mistake? Boy oh boy, you're going to regret it. I'm going to bully you into taking a break from your career, and perhaps even worse..." That's quite literally the path you're heading down. Except the war dance wasn't a mistake.

woah. the dance is irrelevant. he could be doing the macarena for all i care. but at a sydney home game where there are 99% sydney fans and a tiny patch of carlton fans he picks right there to go up to and celebrate? (we'll call it a celebration to keep everyone happy). he had to expect a negative reaction to that...

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Brainless analogies? Oh shit man! The bar was set waaaay early in this thread, and I haven't seen it approached since:

The Gérard Whateley prototype? All causes are equally righteous

 

[kfc1]

You answer mine. There's a difference between sports and politics, and that's why this sporting issue became a political issue, and wasn't one from the get-go.

The answer to yours is yes, you are allowed to voice your disdain. And does it make you a racist? Yes. You're either booing for racist reason, or engaging in racist behaviour, as you're booing alongside people that are racists. I don't understand why you'd want to make yourself a part of that.



Okay. What's your point?

Youre either going to the footy for racist reasons or engaging in racist behaviour as youre attending alongside people that are racists. I dont understand why youd want to make yourself a part of that.

 

[Spook]

Are we not just allowed to simply - Not like the bloke? and sa we have our own reasons and know they are not racists to our selves? or do we have to explain our selves to the media and Sydney supporters and people who accuse us of being racists.

You don't have to like him. No one has said you have to like him.

Cool thanks; Are we allowed to call out that we don't like him?

Would you do that if you saw someone you didn't like doing their job?

Answer the question.
You mean how our Prime Minister and other parliamentarians get booed or a policeman gets booed. You mean how our Premiers get booed when they come out to address a union protest or especially the recent protest against against closing down some communicates so to consolidate resources.

Please Answer the question.

You answer mine. There's a difference between sports and politics, and that's why this sporting issue became a political issue, and wasn't one from the get-go.
The answer to yours is yes, you are allowed to voice your disdain. And does it make you a racist? Yes. You're either booing for racist reason, or engaging in racist behaviour, as you're booing alongside people that are racists. I don't understand why you'd want to make yourself a part of that.

So is it racist to boo Selwood

So you have agreed that I am allowed to simply not like the bloke, You agreed I can call it out, but if some idiot in the same 40,000 stand stadium as me who's mind I cant read is calling it out for racist reasons, that makes me a racist........... Wow, this is where we are at folks.

 

[SSwans2011]

So is it racist if I boo Selwood?

Did you just decide to stop reading after the bolded text, or what?

I'd explain it again, but you just refuse to understand.

 

[bluengold89]

This is the quote by Goodes that I don't like:

...Goodes added that while the war dance was aimed at “the opposition”, he would not have done it against any of Carlton’s Aboriginal players — part of his actual opposition on the field.

“I’m not going to go up to (Carlton’s) Chris Yarran and do it because he’d actually be part of the war cry.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...f-over-war-dance/story-fnpp4dl6-1227377043531

So basically what he's saying is that the war cry was aimed at the 'white' people in the crowd? Just a bizarre attitude to take. If the 'opposition' is the crowd, then surely they're within their right to get stuck into him when he plays?

Also the fact that Sydney were 50 points up at the time, against Carlton, probably the most average team of the past few decades didn't help. If it had happened after Goodes kicked a goal to put Sydney in front in a fierce contest (ala Mickey O and fat Daniel) then sure, go ahead. But all I can picture is Goodes premeditating it before the game, which is just ridiculous.

/rant, if you provoke the crowd, be prepared to cop it back. He should have retired last year, a shell of his former self, and i can't help but feel that he'll retire on the back of this controversy, and avoid Sydney having to push him out for the finals.

 

[Forward Press]

it wasn't just this. it this was the big cherry on top of the reasons to hate goodes cake. now does he deserve it for the rest of his career? no. but he's contributed to something which is now totally out of control.

Well there are other reasons. Maybe you're a Collingwood fan and didn't like that incident with the girl. Maybe you're a North fan and didn't like his run-in with Lindsay Thomas back then.

But as you yourself acknowledged - 'does he deserve it for the rest of his career? no.' It's time for the booing to stop.