Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Spook]

Seriously?????????????

http://www.go-foundation.org/

Great organization and well done Goodes.

Is The Go Foundation only for Indigenous children. Thats one thing I think is a bit sad is that many of these organizations are only for children of a certain race. There are many kids from other races that need similar help. But great to catch some if you cant catch all.
I wonder what would happen if someone set up something similar for all but Indigenous children to capture other races who need the same support.

 

[sherb]

Was Paddy Ryder Boo-ed last week because he left Essendon or because he is Indigenous ?

Would 100% of people say the former? Who knows if that is correct? so who knows in this situation?
Personally I don't think it's racist but the media have pushed that agenda.

A good idea in all of this would be for people to form their own views and not let the media dictate what they should think.

I don't know about others, but I have taken in very little - on either side of the argument - of what the media has had to say on this matter.

Whether you like them or not, , at least my views on this are my own.

 

[Kummerspeck]

The fact remains that the other 70 indigenous players are treated with as much respect and reverence as any other player, of any other race or heritage.

Except the cases of racist abuse that spring up. That whole thing.

 

[Forward Press]

My opinion, which I know is contrary to yours FP, is that booing should have never have started. But it doesn't make everyone who has booed a racist does it?

No, I don't think everyone who booed was racist and that is frankly a dumb and unsubstantiated opinion in my view which unfairly maligns those who may hate Goodes for his on-field stuff. Same reason why many boo Ballantyne, Harvey etc.

But those who deny there is a certain racial element to it are also dumb and unsubstantiated in my view. Perhaps most were just 'sheep' and many were indeed booing for non-race related reasons, but when you have people, who were part of the booing crowd, now thrown out for racial epithets and parts of the indigenous community thinking it's racist - I'd say that you are definitely a dumb supporter if you continue the booing now.

 

[2014]

craig foster has a good article in support of goodes

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2015/07/30/adam-goodes-face-issue-australia-must-confront

 

[Docker Alyssa]

sometimes it requires more fire

You first. Go into a burning building carrying a flame thrower and let loose.

 

[Dacksaredown]

Great organization and well done Goodes.

Is the Go Foundation only for Indigenous children. Thats one thing I think is a bit sad is that many of these organizations are only for children of a certain race. There are many kids from other races that need similar help. But great to catch some if you cant catch all.

If doesnt look like it. In the privacy policy of the site.

 

[FootyGeek]

So, you think by doing an Indigenous dance taught to him by some Indigenous kids... in Indigenous round... in an Indigenous jumper, he should have known he'd be booed nationwide for the rest of his career?

If people know that booers around them are motivated by race (or potentially could be), then I agree it's contributing to racism. And at this stage, everyone would clearly know that that is the case. If anyone boos next week (and probably last week) I agree - it's contributing to racism.

But a couple of years ago, there may have been people who booed who weren't aware of the racial element. Call them ignorant, call them whatever. But those people weren't racists, contrary to the accusations of your club.

So the AFL has declared booing is racist.

Therefore booing is racist. Now and forever.

That is fascism.

 

[Percel]

Was Paddy Ryder Boo-ed last week because he left Essendon or because he is Indigenous ?

The spin says neither

 

[Scoopar]

Alright mate, point taken re tone. Let me try that again:

Goodes isn't booed every-time he touches the ball, week in week out, because he is a dirty player. There are many dirtier players who are not booed. Leigh Matthews was a thug. He broke a players jaw w/ a king hit 50 meters behind the play, and was even arrested for it. Yet he was cheered into retirement. So that claim is rubbish.

Goodes isn't booed every-time he touches the ball, week in week out, for staging. There are many, many players who do the same (Franklin milks kicks all the time, for example). They are not booed incessantly for this. So that claim is clearly false.

Goodes isn't booed every-time he touches the ball, week in week out, for not being a 'team player' or having too great of a public profile. Many players are and have been public figures and much more 'individualistic' than Goodes. These players are often loved for it, and get plum jobs on the 'Footy Show' acting like gits. So this claim, too, is false.

And Goodes isn't booed every-time he touches the ball, week in week out, for being an aboriginal. There are 71 players in the completion who are aboriginal, yet only 70 of them aren't booed.

Adam Goodes is booed because he is a 'critical' or 'politicised' aboriginal. He is proud of his heritage, and 'outspoken' about racial inequality (both past and present) in a way that makes nationalistic white guys uncomfortable.

For Goodes, having racial equality in the game means more than an happy little indigenous round with an aboriginal themed guernsey. It means actually calling out racism wherever it happens in the game - such as being called an 'ape' whilst playing. It also means being Australian of the Year and still saying a few hard truths - like the fact that Australia Day means something different for Indigenous Australians (and it does and should mean something different for aboriginal Australians, anyone with half a clue about Australian history would understand that).

IMO the true 'sooks' are the fully grown adults who boooooo like children at a successful aboriginal man for simply being (in their half closed eyes, at least) too 'outspoken' too 'critical'. These people need to toughen up!

A finally, a few other points that neither the right wing nut jobs - Bolt, Jones, Devine, et al - mention in their politically motivated attacks, nor the chorus of haters on BF:

Goodes' Australia Day speech also spoke of the importance of inclusion, and he talked of the merits of the day also.
After the incident with the girl, he selected to not press charges and asked the media too leave her well alone.
His public profile has largely been thrust upon him - he did not ask to become Australian of the year.

This post should not be on this thread. It is far too good & intellectual to be stuck among the racist & moronic comments that are spewed out en masse.
The message is simply lost on the haters who choose to ignore the actuality of a complex issue.

 

[Spook]

No, I don't think everyone who booed was racist and that is frankly a dumb and unsubstantiated opinion in my view which unfairly maligns those who may hate Goodes for his on-field stuff. Same reason why many boo Ballantyne, Harvey etc.

But those who deny there is a certain racial element to it are also dumb and unsubstantiated in my view. Perhaps most were just 'sheep' and many were indeed booing for non-race related reasons, but when you have people, who were part of the booing crowd, now thrown out for racial epithets and parts of the indigenous community thinking it's racist - I'd say that you are definitely a dumb supporter if you continue the booing now.

So should West Coast crowd stop booing full stop? As we now agree it can affect people and elements are booing for bad reasons, should we not take the risk and stop booing all together just in case ?

 

[SBYM]

The point in some of it is animal instincts, if you do a War dance to a group in the crowd, expect a retaliation!

Yeah, dunno how I missed that.

 

[Macca81]

Sammy Newman 100% on the money

Thank God we have people like Newman who have a backbone in the media and dont just buckle under at the knees by the constant insults of being racist by SJW's.

 

[carnthemlions]

Great organization and well done Goodes.

Is The Go Foundation only for Indigenous children. Thats one thing I think is a bit sad is that many of these organizations are only for children of a certain race. There are many kids from other races that need similar help. But great to catch some if you cant catch all.

Supporting the most disadvantaged group of children in the nation... disgraceful

 

[master bate]

craig foster has a good article in support of goodes

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2015/07/30/adam-goodes-face-issue-australia-must-confront

No he doesn't.

He echoes some support for Goodes then uses the article to peddle unsubstantiated crap about the AFL and it's fans whilst making soccer out to be perfect.

It's complete crap.

 

[kfc1]

So should West Coast crowd stop booing full stop? As we now agree it can affect people and elements are booing for bad reasons, should we not take the risk and stop booing all together just in case ?

Should probably stop attending foott full stop because it provides cover for racists

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

So, you think by doing an Indigenous dance taught to him by some Indigenous kids... in Indigenous round... in an Indigenous jumper, he should have known he'd be booed nationwide for the rest of his career?

like i said to someone else. the dance is irrelevant. he might as well have done the macarena. but he could have celebrated with the 99% sydney fans at the game that day. instead he marches over the tiny pocket of carlton fans and has a bit of a go at them. now it wasn't much but with the public perception of him the way it was, what could he possibly expect other than hostility?

 

[Scotland]

I personally blame the media and the AFL for things getting to this stage

Me too.

The media want Adam Goodes to be a story.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

I can say with some knowledge on this matter that the people that hate indigenous people the most...are in fact indigenous people

Indigenous culture (of which I am no expert) is really quite confusing, as it is a group of 800+ different groups lumped under one banner, who each have their own singular identity but are labelled as one whole.

Detailed map of the language groups - http://www.abc.net.au/indigenous/map/

Interesting explanation of Aboriginal social organisation - see how the Mother-in-Law gets treated at the bottom of the article - http://www.aboriginalculture.com.au/socialorganisation.shtml

 

[SSwans2011]

If people know that booers around them are motivated by race (or potentially could be), then I agree it's contributing to racism. And at this stage, everyone would clearly know that that is the case. If anyone boos next week (and probably last week) I agree - it's contributing to racism.

But a couple of years ago, there may have been people who booed who weren't aware of the racial element. Call them ignorant, call them whatever. But those people weren't racists, contrary to the accusations of your club.

The club's statements may have been hyperbole, but they got the point across and clearly got people talking about the matter. Plus, the statement I daresay would have been fueled with emotion, so perhaps they exaggerated their claims a little. I agree with you, not everyone that has ever booed Goodes is a racist, but anyone who has done it since the Carlton game - heck, even the Collingwood game two years ago; has partaken in racist behaviour directly or indirectly. Does that make them a bad person? Not necessarily. It does make them a bad person and a racist if they elect to continue engaging in that behaviour now though.

Youre attending the footy, doing the same thing as the racists, dressed the same as the racists, supporting the same team as the racists so who says you arent one? Just because you dont vocalise it with racial abuse doesnt mean youre not. Cant understand why you would associate with the racists and risk covering for them. Wouldnt it be easier just to not go to the footy?

Your point makes absolutely no sense. You're not engaging the behaviour by not booing him, it's simple as that. If you don't do anything about it, that does make you a bystander, but most people are, so all power to you.

So the AFL has declared booing is racist.

Therefore booing is racist. Now and forever.

That is fascism.

Your comment does not relate to either mine or Suma Magic's quotes at all, but hey, you used a big word and proved that fascism isn't all bad.

 

[awaremind]

You first. Go into a burning building carrying a flame thrower and let loose.

Obviously you don't know much about fire management. Ever heard of controlled burning or back burning? Bringing this out in sport is better than violence on the street perhaps.

 

[Dacksaredown]

Detailed map of the language groups - http://www.abc.net.au/indigenous/map/

Interesting explanation of Aboriginal social organisation - see how the Mother-in-Law gets treated at the bottom of the article - http://www.aboriginalculture.com.au/socialorganisation.shtml

Greatest idea ever.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Great organization and well done Goodes.

Is The Go Foundation only for Indigenous children. Thats one thing I think is a bit sad is that many of these organizations are only for children of a certain race. There are many kids from other races that need similar help. But great to catch some if you cant catch all.
I wonder what would happen if someone set up something similar for all but Indigenous children to capture other races who need the same support.

Ooh, look at someone being clever by complimenting Goodes and then suggesting he is racist. This would be the Andrew Bolt line that ignores history and suggests that there's no reason to benefit a people who were decimated by European settlement and have lived on this land most of us proclaim to love for at least 200 times longer than Europeans have lived here.

Here's a debate about booing Goodes straight after the 13 y.o. girl incident. The booing has gotten worse, and all that's really changed is the Australian of The Year comments where Goodes continued to say racism is bad. That annoys some people apparently.

If you boo alongside racist booing, you are supporting them. Would you stay standing in a protest if a bunch of people come behind you and put up a sign calling for the opposite of what you believe in?

 

[Pack Specialist]

Except the cases of racist abuse that spring up. That whole thing.

Such as?

 

[mick]

I have no desire to go down any path except to point out what isn't correct. Goodes didn't slide in on Gibson.

Yeah, you're right. I remembered it as a slide, and thats what Taylor called it in the replay, Brereton also called it a slide. Looking at it again it was more a Mitchell style corky, not at all how I remembered it.