Mega Thread Trade/Draft SuperMegaUltraThread - 2015 trade period edition

[DickDunn]

Dale Miller ‏@miller_dj 13m13 minutes ago
Love him or hate him, Pat McGinnity looks like being at West Coast in 2016. One year contract extension beckons

 

[new breed]

Do you have a source regarding mcginnity and Tunbridge?

West Austalian article today , smaller article not back-page .

 

[DickDunn]

Seriously hope we don't give up Sinclair + 36/37 for Jetta. I'm happy for us to go for him but that would have to be too much.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Aren't GWS looking at Sinclair too?
They have picks (and possibly) players that look more attractive.

 

[pantskyle]

Aren't GWS looking at Sinclair too?
They have picks (and possibly) players that look more attractive.

Nope, AFL site misquoted GWS.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Nope, AFL site misquoted GWS.

 

[BS_82]

Seriously hope we don't give up Sinclair + 36/37 for Jetta. I'm happy for us to go for him but that would have to be too much.

Any deal we do on Sinclair must be on the premise that we obtain a suitable draft pick between 20 and 25 so that we can net Anderson and pick Jetta up for free if push comes to shove.

Time to rope GWS into the Sinclair trade and extract maximum value

 

[twce13]

Can't believe we're giving mcginnity another year. Geez.

 

[new breed]

Yes Downsborough did go for #1 all those years ago !!

 

[bodazoka]

Hope that Brisbane match Essendon for Luenberger, force them to trade and they might start looking at Sinkers. Give Sydney something to think about and us a better bargaining position.

 

[DickDunn]

Wonder if we delist anyone else?

IN: Redden, Jetta, Anderson?? + three draft picks

OUT: Selwood, Sinclair, Waters, Main, Powell, Maginness

 

[eagles rule]

Sincers gave us "His Everything" this year and I doubt he has more upside than what we saw, Lycetts best is definitely better but he needs to get over the injury he is clearly carrying.

The best upside is if he can hold his contested marks, as he gets to the right spots On the field .

 

[twce13]

Wonder if we delist anyone else?

IN: Redden, Jetta, Anderson?? + three draft picks

OUT: Selwood, Sinclair, Waters, Main, Powell, Maginness

Powell and Maginnes were rookies so we still need to make some room. I don't expect to get Anderson so I assume we either trade out one more (colledge?) or someone else gets delisted. Tunbridge maybe.

 

[Max zero]

Please stop trying to change what your original point was. It was clear as day and now you're coming across as desperate instead of just going 'you know what, you're right, they aren't comparable, perhaps using Gaff and Shuey wasn't the right players for my point'.

Jetta was certainly consistent for the most part but I wouldn't say he was consistently good. Above average maybe. Gaff was consistently excellent and Shuey was consistently solid without being always spectacular.

I already said in the Jetta thread why I want Jetta, it's because he is the opposite to Gaff on the other wing, Gaff accumulates disposals and runs all day, not a big goal scorer but is great in the link up, it works to have on the other wing a player who needs less of the ball to be just as damaging, will give burst of speed to open a game up and can hit the scoreboard (he'll need to be kicking 20+ goals a season for us though).

The question is can Jetta become that player again.

I have been pretty clear why I want Jetta and it's much the same as your reasons.
You want someone who is fast, has good kicking skills and kicks goals. That's what you are judging Jetta on right?

Now look at the Jetta's stats: high disposal efficiency, good inside 50/scoring involvements, high bounces. Would want more goals but the Swans were playing him off a HBF.

Shuey and Gaff are better all round but offensively (which is what you want Jetta for and what you are judging him on) he is comparable. If he didn't have those offensive tools there wouldn't much point in trading him in to fill that offensive role.

Since we won't put him on the HBF like the Swans I would expect an increase in all his offensive stats next year.

 

[fullbull]

2 days into this trade period, god I hope there's more to come than Jetta for Sinclair before we're done.

Anyone else looking at the grass on the other side of the many fences and thinking its a little greener? Freo bag Bennell and probably Cam Mcarthy, Geelong Dangerfield and Selwood, Richmond, North, Sydney, Bulldogs, targeting big fish. Everyone seems to be bringing in weapons while we're just adding blue collar like depth. Port Adelaide getting Charlie Dixon after landing Ryder last year actually kind of terrify's me, can see them setting the comp on fire next year.

The longer it sits, the more that GF performance rankles with me, makes me feel we over performed massively in 2015 and we aren't as good as we thought we were. With a tougher draw in 2016 and other sides potentially overtaking us in the offseason with superior list improvement, top 4 is looking like it'll be a massive challenge. I trust Simmo to improve us, I still believe our best footy can be very good, but damn it's going to be a tight race next year. A year for real mental grit and toughness, we'll be being hunted. And that GF performance put a lot of blood in the water.

Sorry but I don't agree with this one bit. Redden is already a fantastic acquisition and gives us something we lack, and I expect we will be involved in more deals before the end of trade period, making us a major player. You're mentioning a lot of clubs chasing big fish, yet we're one of the only clubs to actually make a trade so I think you're overreacting considerably.

Also, you're selling us short regarding last year - barring a catastrophic injury list next year, we should definitely be challenging for top 4 as our list is strong, regardless of a tougher draw. Don't stress so much!!

 

[Keys]

Oh man.

Are we really going on this he made AA so you can't question it crap?

To say he wasn't even close based on H&A performances is just being one eyed.

Not one eyed at all. Jetta didn't have the same impact on games as gaff especially. He was closer to shuey but I wouldn't be saying he had a comparable season to shuey either.

I note you've referred to offensive impact as a base of comparison but pointing out he was ok in one area whilst overlooking defeciencies in others doesn't help your argument. If he was significantly better offensively then that would help counter balance his weaknesses, but he wasn't

Club B&F voting is a good gauge of a players impact on a season. Gaff won at West coast whilst shuey was top 5. Jetta came 13th

Their seasons weren't comparable

 

[SurfnTurf]

Whatever mate. I have been pretty clear why I want Jetta and it's much the same as your reasons.
You want someone who is fast, has good kicking skills and kicks goals. That's what you are judging Jetta on right?

Now look at the Jetta's stats: high disposal efficiency, good inside 50/scoring involvements, high bounces. Would want more goals but the Swans were playing him off a HBF.

Shuey and Gaff are better all round but offensively (which is what you want Jetta for) he is comparable.

Since we won't put him on the HBF like the Swans I would expect an increase in all his offensive stats next year.

You can come up with statistics to prove anything, Max. Forty percent of all people know that. Without focusing on the stats, I think the general consensus is that Jetta's form has been on a downward trajectory for the past couple of years (admittedly off a high base). Shuey and Gaff's form is heading the other way. I think we're all coming to the same conclusion; however, in that we're optimistic that a change will refresh Jetta and he'll return to form (or at least stop stagnating) upon joining us.

 

[Max zero]

You can come up with statistics to prove anything, Max. Forty percent of all people know that. Without focusing on the stats, I think the general consensus is that Jetta's form has been on a downward trajectory for the past couple of years (admittedly off a high base). Shuey and Gaff's form is heading the other way. I think we're all coming to the same conclusion; however, in that we're optimistic that a change will refresh Jetta and he'll return to form (or at least stop stagnating) upon joining us.

It is?

His 2015 was better then 2013 and 2014.

He is not Scott Selwood. It reminds a lot of Shuey after he had a break out season where other teams would put a lot more attention onto him. Took him a while to adjust as well.

 

[MaxHunt]

Wallace again, any chance he gets...blows smoke up the hawks

 

[Goldfish]

A few reasons:
1. A first rounder and Jetta is massive overs for Sinclair. Due to points we even out, but you make out like bandits if we did that trade. Definitely not an even/even trade.
2. This is not the only trade the we are going to make. We need the 14 to put on the market, and use it for other players/picks we might want. We are really interested in Seedsman, where we could get him and second rounders back, which would give us points and an extra player.
3. The only reason, I would throw you the second rounder, to get this deal done so that we could focus on other business. Like most Swans supporters and I would say Jetta is worth more then Sinclair. The extra 2nd rounder was just to get it done early.

With what we are trying to do in this trade period, I dont think the first rounder will be on the table at all in this deal. I could be wrong but I doubt it. You can keep dreaming, but No.

Thats my opinion, but most people in and around the swans I think would be on the same page. We would just walk away if you needed our first rounder.

I haven't even weighed into this discussion, however if you are only using your early pick as points to draft a player from the academy, in reality it makes no difference to Sydney if you keep 14 or get our 2 second rounders, especially given the way the points systems works (ie. highest pick used first).

Shopping pick 14 around is fine, but not sure that would solve your ruck issue or points issue.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I'm still waiting for us to make a play for these "Experienced players" Nisbett was harping on about.

It looked like he was making reference to someone other than Reddan and Jetta.

Although now i've seen him throw a hissy over a pretty straightforward compensation for Selwood, i'm back on the idea that he has no clue what he's talking about.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I wonder if Vozzo even knows about this academy points system, if he does he probably doesn't understand it.

 

[Max zero]

Not one eyed at all. Jetta didn't have the same impact on games as gaff especially. He was closer to shuey but I wouldn't be saying he had a comparable season to shuey either.

I note you've referred to offensive impact as a base of comparison but pointing out he was ok in one area whilst overlooking defeciencies in others doesn't help your argument. If he was significantly better offensively then that would help counter balance his weaknesses, but he wasn't

Club B&F voting is a good gauge of a players impact on a season. Gaff won at West coast whilst shuey was top 5. Jetta came 13th

Their seasons weren't comparable

And where did McGovern and Schofield finish in our B&F? Guess they sucked this year too.

Offensively he was better off the HBF then all of our mids bar Shuey and Gaff.

But you are seeing what you are doing? You complaining that he isn't as all round strong as our best mids. Well no shit. If we could get a Gaff or Shuey Mk 2 for Sinclair we would do it every time.

What we will get is the offensive side of a Shuey (which is basically what we are after) and a weaker defensive side.

The defensive side will need to be worked on but at worst he will take a tag and pressure off Shuey and Gaff.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

I'm still waiting for us to make a play for these "Experienced players" Nisbett was harping on about.

It looked like he was making reference to someone other than Reddan and Jetta.

Although now i've seen him throw a hissy over a pretty straightforward compensation for Selwood, i'm back on the idea that he has no clue what he's talking about.

I'm not sure he said experienced players. He said we had irons in the fire which I'm assuming he meant redden as he hadn't been done yet, Jetta and then he mentioned we'd try with Anderson but that it would be difficult. I don't see us going after 4 players. If we don't have the currency for Anderson, we don't have the currency for much else

 

[Caj]

Not one eyed at all. Jetta didn't have the same impact on games as gaff especially. He was closer to shuey but I wouldn't be saying he had a comparable season to shuey either.

I note you've referred to offensive impact as a base of comparison but pointing out he was ok in one area whilst overlooking defeciencies in others doesn't help your argument. If he was significantly better offensively then that would help counter balance his weaknesses, but he wasn't

Club B&F voting is a good gauge of a players impact on a season. Gaff won at West coast whilst shuey was top 5. Jetta came 13th

Their seasons weren't comparable

Where did Sinclair come?