List Mgmt. Cam McCarthy Requests Trade to WA

[Dirty_banchez]

A cunning list manager would use pick 22 to bid on Himmelberg who GWS like. GWS would have two choices:

1) They match the bid and have to use more points then they expected to.

2)GWS Don't match. Freo get him at 22, and use him next year when McCarthy wants a trade next year.

 

[Rubber Pants]

GWS make no sense if they send Plowman, Sumner and the other 2 crabs to Carlton for pick 28. Plowman was pick 3 in 2012 and contracted for next year yet they'll get rid of him for peanuts.

But they want to play hardball on McCarthy

 

[jusjoshin]

GWS make no sense if they send Plowman, Sumner and the other 2 crabs to Carlton for pick 28. Plowman was pick 3 in 2012 and contracted for next year yet they'll get rid of him for peanuts.

But they want to play hardball on McCarthy

They think if they lean on us we'll pay almost anything.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Hope we get that Himmelberg kid just to say **** you

 

[dominguez]

whatt ? very very good chance i wouldve thought
Cam will end up at freo this trade period or at the end of his contract, you think he will forgive GWS for treating him like this ?
And Hogan has declined to extend his contract and rumours swirling around that he dislikes Goodwin

Chris Judd cost Carlton picks 3 + 20 + Kennedy and Kennedy had been taken a year or 2 earlier with pick 4 so it was effectively picks 3 + 4 + 20 for Judd. Melbourne would want something similar for Hogan so even if Hogan flags his intention to come home it will be hard to organize a trade unless we have a shocker in 2017 giving us access to an early pick.

Melbourne would send him to the draft rather than lose him to a mediocre trade.

 

[MadDocker]

Melbourne would send him to the draft rather than lose him to a mediocre trade.

You could be right, but, I don't think that's true.

Why not get at least a pick/future pick/player(s) instead of nothing?

Cut your nose off to spite your face doesn't really work in business. It still happens from time to time. Not the norm though.

 

[Taylor]

We could have a big hole in our list (payment wise) in 2018 and offer him a $2,500,000 deal for one year in the PSD.

Then as soon as he gets across he gets extended by 7 years for some more cash to balance out to the agreed price per year.

 

[rodney hoo]

A cunning list manager would use pick 22 to bid on Himmelberg who GWS like. GWS would have two choices:

1) They match the bid and have to use more points then they expected to.

2)GWS Don't match. Freo get him at 22, and use him next year when McCarthy wants a trade next year.

This is very clever.

 

[apparentlydead]

This is very clever.

So is this

We could have a big hole in our list (payment wise) in 2018 and offer him a $2,500,000 deal for one year in the PSD.

Then as soon as he gets across he gets extended by 7 years for some more cash to balance out to the agreed price per year.

If I still had my business I would offer you a job.

 

[Unique Name]

How many academy players are they chasing this year?

 

[Deathly]

How many academy players are they chasing this year?

28

 

[leeloo]

28

That they will trade to Carlton for more draft picks.

 

[itsduffy]

GWS have swiftly moved into my most hated teams. What a joke of a club.

 

[YelloMit]

GWS acting like McCarthy is Jeremy Cameron or something.

 

[dimesdimesdimes]

I'm going to start hitting the gym again tonight just in case. See you soon Miranda.

Chris Judd cost Carlton picks 3 + 20 + Kennedy and Kennedy had been taken a year or 2 earlier with pick 4 so it was effectively picks 3 + 4 + 20 for Judd. Melbourne would want something similar for Hogan so even if Hogan flags his intention to come home it will be hard to organize a trade unless we have a shocker in 2017 giving us access to an early pick.

Melbourne would send him to the draft rather than lose him to a mediocre trade.

and how many clubs have sent players to the draft in the history of the AFL ?
i always hear this threat of sending a player to the draft but if hes out of contract and states he wants to come home, then its down to 2 clubs i reckon

 

[dimesdimesdimes]

This is very clever.

like it!
Himmelberg and McCarthy are like for like
in fact from what i saw from his highlights on YT, his forward pressure and tackling was amazing for a big unit
if they want to play dirty, lets get dirty

 

[Darcy 2 Fyfe]

Shulz to Freo now that Dixon has landed at Alberton?

Edit- Didn't realize he re-signed

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2015-09-19/schulz-stays-with-port

 

[george2]

like it!
Himmelberg and McCarthy are like for like
in fact from what i saw from his highlights on YT, his forward pressure and tackling was amazing for a big unit
if they want to play dirty, lets get dirty

I really like the look of Himmelberg and would not be surprised at all if we are at least looking at him. He seems to be rated around our first pick in some of the phantom drafts so hopefully GWS blow all of there picks earlier on other academy players. He seems to have a bit of swagger and very agile, I like it!

 

[Allikat]

IF Cam develops psychological issues after your club has refused to release him despite his feeling strongly enough about leaving that he's risked losing face with your playing group by letting this all play out publicly, after he's stated publicly that he wants to go home for family reasons, whatever they may be, if there would be grounds to take GWS to the cleaners for damages. Allikat woild explain it in legalese better.

Ok, so as a disclaimer, my background is in business law but I haven't used it for a few years.

So the clubs do have a duty of care to look after their players mental health. Mental illness should be treated the same as any injury and clubs are legally required to support their players to ensure their health going forward. Just like a normal business mental health is included in sick/personal leave. If this is truly the issue, which it honestly seems like it could be, McCarthy needs to be seeing a mental health professional to get it documented. I know you're suggesting the worst possible outcome for Cam's mental health here, but it doesn't need to go that far for it to be seen as an illness. I haven't checked the EBA specifically for these kind of issues (I will later but it's a massive document), but if GWS are ignoring or not doing their due diligence in regards to Cam's health, they can be seen to be breaching their duty of care which can be used to cancel a contract.

There are a few things in the EBA that need to be looked at first, and to go down this route it's going to take a lot longer than the 2 days left of trade period. If I was Cam's manager I'd be requesting the AFL to start arbitration between GWS & McCarthy, get the AFLPA in as a party as well so that anything put in place to help Cam with his homesickness will be official. They can probably petition the AFL for a rushed arbitration and allow Freo in as a party to broker a fair trade at the same time. If I recall Port did something similar last trade period over Ryder?

In the extreme case, if what people are speculating in regards to being dropped from the Freo game because of asking to leave is true, it could constitute workplace bullying. If it can be proven he was in form and being dropped was a form of punishment.

Restraint of trade is the elephant in the room with player contracts. If a player did take the AFL to court they would win and the system would fall like a pack of cards.The clubs have to much to lose to attempt a court case but a disgruntled player is another story altogether.

It's pretty commonly believed that player contracts aren't really legal but challenging it opens a whole new bag of worms. And Australian courts could decide that it's reasonably expected that a player is knowingly walking into a non-legalish contract. It gets too hard to prove, and if a player does win it could kinda ruin football for everyone with contract never being enforceable.

Would it tarnish the reputation of the league to take that case to court?
Or to put it another way, would it bring the game into disrepute?

It would be messy.

You can't actually get done for bringing the game into disrepute if you're challenging a contract based on legit legal grounds. It's a right (possibly constitutional - haven't read the constitution in a while tbh) of every Aussie that you can't be punished for exercising your legal rights.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

As of tonight - freo need to communicate via the media that we have placed an offer to GWS and it was rejected. We need to move on and salvage something from this trade period.

 

[Taylor]

As of tonight - freo need to communicate via the media that we have placed an offer to GWS and it was rejected. We need to move on and salvage something from this trade period.

Salvage something?

...we secured the #2 draft pick from 2010?

 

[burningdwarf]

Would you guys be at all open to trading Weller if it meant getting McCarthy?

Obviously fair enough if you don't want to lose him, just trying to gauge your opinions on it as there has been a bit of talk about it on our board.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

Salvage something?

...we secured the #2 draft pick from 2010?

C'mon - you know what this thread is referring - someone for our mids to kick to

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Would you guys be at all open to trading Weller if it meant getting McCarthy?

Obviously fair enough if you don't want to lose him, just trying to gauge your opinions on it as there has been a bit of talk about it on our board.

Wellers worth would be between 9-15 imo. Don't know any club who will give that up though.

 

[burningdwarf]

Wellers worth would be between 9-15 imo. Don't know any club who will give that up though.

We have a couple of 'itk' posters on our board that have mentioned trying to send 14 to you/GWS, if we get it through the Carlisle trade. That feels a bit unders to me though, so not sure.