Mega Thread Trade/Draft SuperMegaUltraThread - 2015 trade period edition

[iLikeIt]

We could have easily moved McGinnity, Lucas, Tunbridge, etc on instead of the project players previously mentioned. The fact is we kept the players who could contribute immediately over the guys who would still need a couple more seasons of development.

McGinnity seems to have more lives than a cat but is obviously rated by our club officials for some reason. Lucas is on the rookie list. Tunbridge was delisted with the possibility we will rookie list him. Sorry, not sure I understand what you are saying? I think we delisted Newman, Main and Powell so we could still make our 3 required draft picks whilst creating a 38-6 profile. I am no expert but a 38-6 profile is normally (1) so you can upgrade anyone on your rookie list immediately if you want; and (2) to free up TPP that can carry over to next season (equilisation - up to 500k over 2 years I think)

Edit: McGinnity still being under contract explains it. Not much point delisting someone to free up TPP if they are still contracted at the time.

 

[getgaff]

Eagles have done the medicals etc , pretty much a sure thing maybe , as far as drafting goes .

Yep Mason Shaw. I think Fremantle are keen on Brown instead.

I like it. Would love to get Shaw to the club. Never really got a great opportunity at Port due to injuries but if I was in Port's shoes I'd have held onto Shaw over John Butcher any day

 

[dajesmac]

27: Fiorini/Cuningham
36: Menegola
53: Parsons/Shaw

Dream result.

 

[twce13]

Wouldn't surprise me if we took 4 players tonight. Last year the plan was to go 39/5, but when cavka was still on the board they couldn't pass up. So maybe if someone the club rates is available, we will take him also.

 

[Sw3Et]

Is there a radio station we can tune into at work that will be broadcasting the draft?

 

[paran]

I like Menegola, I just don't know if he is such a required player for our current midfield. If we wanted to have an idea post Priddis than he's absolutely someone to consider. That reasoning is why a mature age mid like Kane Lambert (now with Richmond) or Chris Cain would have been ideal in the 2013 draft when we drafted Dylan Main instead. In terms of depth chart Hutchings almost becomes the Rosa and Duggan/ Jetta and Redden slot into the 22 from GF Day.

On Friday if we have the list room to draft a rookie ruckman along with Waterman and Colledge/ Newman that's ideal. A WA product thats missed out on the last couple of national drafts because he was still quite raw is Darcy Cameron but from what I've read and heard from the WAFL he is now physically ready for an AFL listed spot.

Of the potential draftees tonight who might miss out I like Mitch King from the Murray Bushrangers. Rucks well, is a strong pack mark and hits it to the right areas for his team mates. His foot skills are nice for a big man without being exceptional and drops back to help out his defenders regularly to take saving marks. At 90 kg's his someone that we could really look to develop well behind regular rucks Naitanui and Lycett and Giles at WAFL level.

Andre Parella is another one but a player who is a much bigger body than King. Similar to Lycett in terms of size, he rucks well and uses his bigger body (bigger than most teenagers) to get himself into a better position than his opponent.

WRT Menegola, I don't believe he's competing with Duggan or Sheed, they're both in the best 22. Hutchings has the tough, defensive mid role that was pencilled for Scooter and now Redden, but the question is if that role will continue in the future. Menegola, with his ability to hit the scoreboard and be offensive could very well leap frog Hutch or directly compete with him. If drafted, it wouldn't be surprising to see him play 5 games next year, which would be a decent return. Menegola can play forward and is extremely athletic, so is different from Hutch or Lucas or McGinnity.

 

[iLikeIt]

According to the article we are only looking to rookie list Cameron and/or Shaw.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/30095643/eagles-look-at-rookie-prospects/

 

[paran]

McGinnity seems to have more lives than a cat but is obviously rated by our club officials for some reason. Lucas is on the rookie list. Tunbridge was delisted with the possibility we will rookie list him. Sorry, not sure I understand what you are saying? I think we delisted Newman, Main and Powell so we could still make our 3 required draft picks whilst creating a 38-6 profile. I am no expert but a 38-6 profile is normally (1) so you can upgrade anyone on your rookie list immediately if you want; and (2) to free up TPP that can carry over to next season (equilisation - up to 500k over 2 years I think)

Edit: McGinnity still being under contract explains it. Not much point delisting someone to free up TPP if they are still contracted at the time.

No, McGinnity just signed up, same with Lucas. Instead of Powell and Main, we could have delisted those 2, but didn't. Points to not focussing on Long Term prospects any more.

 

[paran]

According to the article we are only looking to rookie list Cameron and/or Shaw.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/30095643/eagles-look-at-rookie-prospects/

Would be happy with that in terms of ticking the boxes on the depth chart. Both decent physical prospects too.

 

[bombard]

It compromises the nature of the draft.

The draft should be just that - compulsory recruitment irrespective of the recruit's wishes.

Put it in the context of conscription - sure, a civilian might not have wanted to go to war, and no one would blame him for that, but that should not (and did not) affect whether or not that kid got drafted.

Kids saying they don't want to be drafted into certain teams is almost the equivalent of someone saying 'if I get conscripted I'm going to go awol'.

The better context is this: if you're elite in the world of finance, you're basically confined to one of New York, London, or Hong Kong. If you want to play at the elite level - and be paid to do so - then you're confined by the industry you want to enter.

I've no problem with broadening free agency to like four year players. However, I'd want one caveat - clubs can trade players against their will. The pendulum has swung too far in one direction with the go-home/pre-emptive go-home stuff.

 

[getgaff]

Is there a radio station we can tune into at work that will be broadcasting the draft?

AFL website will broadcast it I think or live update picks as they go, otherwise SEN are broadcasting it online

 

[bombard]

Global pass holders can stream it too.

 

[getgaff]

27: Fiorini/Cuningham
36: Menegola
53: Parsons/Shaw

Dream result.

Lack of Ryan Clarke is disturbing that would be a good outcome but you're right

 

[Suma Magic]

Such an interesting draft. Got NFI who we will take at any of our three picks.

Think actual results will differ a lot from phantoms.

 

[iLikeIt]

No, McGinnity just signed up, same with Lucas. Instead of Powell and Main, we could have delisted those 2, but didn't. Points to not focussing on Long Term prospects any more.

Yep finally found the article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-30/eagles-resign-two-while-cutting-four-more - have no idea why we keep giving him one year extensions? Maybe we just need to draft another small forward so we can move on.

Lucas is still on the rookie list, as was Powell, Maginness and Newman. We de-listed these three so we could rookie list back Waterman, Colledge and possibly Tunbridge who were delisted from the senior list to free up senior list spots for today's draft.

I still don't get how any of this list movement points to us wanting mature-age draftees??? Maybe I'm just not seeing it from your perspective. Bring on the draft please!

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

On the board yes, but people in the public who speak with recruiters regular (Emma Quayle for ex) were very strong on Duggan to us. Mainly people here didnt want to believe it, sighting him as the vanilla king.

I wanted us to get Duggan as soon as I saw his highlights video (knowing that Pickett would be out of reach), I had him well ahead of Weller, Laverde and Cockatoo.

 

[getgaff]

Too right. This day has dragged on, bring on draft time

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Whats the point of the draft then?

It compromises the nature of the draft.

The draft should be just that - compulsory recruitment irrespective of the recruit's wishes.

Put it in the context of conscription - sure, a civilian might not have wanted to go to war, and no one would blame him for that, but that should not (and did not) affect whether or not that kid got drafted.

Kids saying they don't want to be drafted into certain teams is almost the equivalent of someone saying 'if I get conscripted I'm going to go awol'.

Conscription is a strawman argument... and it doesn't enhance the position as it was removed.

There are times when the "greater good" must come into play. In terms of the AFL, I agree that is the draft. That is equalisation of talent is good for the growth of the game.

The people that "pay" for that greater good are players who often work in places they don't want to or for money under what they are worth.

Simply looking at players as simply some pawn to be traded, drafted and moved as though they were a computer game - fundamentally ignores the human element. I can understand completely a player trying to manufacture the outcome they see best fits their position.

Just like WC did when we sacrificed Sinclair.

 

[paran]

The better context is this: if you're elite in the world of finance, you're basically confined to one of New York, London, or Hong Kong. If you want to play at the elite level - and be paid to do so - then you're confined by the industry you want to enter.

I've no problem with broadening free agency to like four year players. However, I'd want one caveat - clubs can trade players against their will. The pendulum has swung too far in one direction with the go-home/pre-emptive go-home stuff.

Yup, if players want to dictate destinations, then clubs can also move them on. Bring in in-season trades too. That changes the game a lot though.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Think actual results will differ a lot from phantoms.

Very much so.

In a similar sense, we tend to draft at least one player every year who was hardly mentioned on bigfooty. I guess that would be the same for most other clubs too.

The best part about it is when people start posting like they rated that random player all along

 

[iLikeIt]

Conscription is a strawman argument... and it doesn't enhance the position as it was removed.

There are times when the "greater good" must come into play. In terms of the AFL, I agree that is the draft. That is equalisation of talent is good for the growth of the game.

The people that "pay" for that greater good are players who often work in places they don't want to or for money under what they are worth.

Simply looking at players as simply some pawn to be traded, drafted and moved as though they were a computer game - fundamentally ignores the human element. I can understand completely a player trying to manufacture the outcome they see best fits their position.

Just like WC did when we sacrificed Sinclair.

I'll bite

"money under what they are worth" - and also money over what they are worth.

C'mon when you first start out at a job you are at the bottom of the food chain, you have to earn the respect of others in your workplace and are expected to do things you don't necessarily like doing. In many other industries if you want to be the best then you have to move to become that - and even when you do that you almost always start as a small fish in a big ocean. A national sporting league should be no different imo. You earn respect over time and then get given more power to choose your own destiny in the process (salary, conditions, location etc).

Sinclair was not a pawn, he was asked whether he wanted the opportunity to potentially become the #1 ruckman at another top club - working with arguably an even better midfield than West Coast. With Nic Nat he wasn't going to get that opportunity here. He accepted and everyone was happy.

 

[Suma Magic]

Very much so.

In a similar sense, we tend to draft at least one player every year who was hardly mentioned on bigfooty. I guess that would be the same for most other clubs too.

The best part about it is when people start posting like they rated that random player all along

Yeah looking forward to reading about one of our players for the first time, before deciding that he is shit or awesome.

I remember reading about Main and thinking "he sounds shit". Also remember reading about Nelson and thinking "meh". Maybe I'll just decide now that our three picks will be guns.

 

[Monocle]

Mason Shaw? Haven't read that much into him recently. I know post season and during trade period there was a lot of rumour that Freo would have a go at him but haven't heard as much chatter about that recently.

Fremantle have not spoken with him since his return to Perth. We have interviewed and spoken with him a couple of times. He is a Dockers supporter but would jump at the opportunity to be rookie listed by us. We haven't made any promises to him other than telling him that he is of interest and that depending on how things fall draft day he will be considered for a rookie spot.
I don't know him personally however a family connection knows him well and that's where this info comes from.

 

[matt_bas]

Yes, finally it's the day. Rioli or Cunningham? That seems to be the question.

If available Rioli!

 

[bombard]

Conscription is a strawman argument... and it doesn't enhance the position as it was removed.

There are times when the "greater good" must come into play. In terms of the AFL, I agree that is the draft. That is equalisation of talent is good for the growth of the game.

The people that "pay" for that greater good are players who often work in places they don't want to or for money under what they are worth.

Simply looking at players as simply some pawn to be traded, drafted and moved as though they were a computer game - fundamentally ignores the human element. I can understand completely a player trying to manufacture the outcome they see best fits their position.

Just like WC did when we sacrificed Sinclair.

I agree conscription is a bit of a reach - as nobody's forcing them to play AFL. If you view the AFL as one employer, and the clubs as different 'offices' of that same one employer, then really they have a choice to sign up to that job or not. Otherwise, they're welcome to avail themselves of the WAFL, VFL, etc and play in the places they like best. The "I don't wanna" stuff is compromising equalisation too much now.