Who has the worst...

[innocentsmiles]

Breust and Smith are 25 and 26. B graders but not kids.

Lol.

 

[andrew coombs]

A lot of your guns are top picks though. Hodge pick one, Roughead pick two, Franklin pick five, Lewis pick seven, Birchall pick fourteen, Rioli pick twelve. You've also traded for top picks like Frawley, Buryogne and McEvoy. And when you do trade for picks, you give up a bit to get the guy you want, like Gibson.

Don't get me wrong, there's always diamonds in the rough. But odds tell us that low picks are worse than high picks.

I take your point regarding the top end talent recruited in from elsewhere and the high picks you mentioned. The point I am trying to make is that it is the influence of people like Hodge, Mitchell,Roughead,Burgoyne, Gibson, Sheilds and McEvoy on our younger players that should speed the development of guys like Sicilly,Litherland,Hartung,Howe and O"Rourke and that cannot be discounted. To be perfectly honest there is guarantee on this occurring but I am optimistic the grounding they receive is first rate.

 

[andrew coombs]

Breust and Smith are 25 and 26. B graders but not kids.

Comprehension issue? Re read the post and you may understand the context.I did say "may".

 

[Gangnam Saint]

I take your point regarding the top end talent recruited in from elsewhere and the high picks you mentioned. The point I am trying to make is that it is the influence of people like Hodge, Mitchell,Roughead,Burgoyne, Gibson, Sheilds and McEvoy on our younger players that should speed the development of guys like Sicilly,Litherland,Hartung,Howe and O"Rourke and that cannot be discounted. To be perfectly honest there is guarantee on this occurring but I am optimistic the grounding they receive is first rate.

Surely performance of the VFL side is an important part of this discussion too.
On that basis I don't think Hawks have got much to worry about and in my mind certainly don't have the worst youth brigade.
I hate to cut the Hawks a break but they know how to develop and get the most out their young talent - regardless of where thet come in the draft. People are kidding themselves to think otherwise.

 

[Caj]

Swans defenders are way, way worse.
.

And yet had the 5th least points scored against in 2015

So how do you figure they are comfortably the worst??

 

[billy fragos]

Sydney's attack is much much worse than its defence.

 

[Ambrosia]

Have no problem with people putting Essendon's midfield as the worst. While individually the likes of Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hocking, Bird, Myers and Stanton are good to very good footballers when you put them all together on the field you end up with a very one paced team that lacks hurt factor.

 

[Richo83]

I take your point regarding the top end talent recruited in from elsewhere and the high picks you mentioned. The point I am trying to make is that it is the influence of people like Hodge, Mitchell,Roughead,Burgoyne, Gibson, Sheilds and McEvoy on our younger players that should speed the development of guys like Sicilly,Litherland,Hartung,Howe and O"Rourke and that cannot be discounted. To be perfectly honest there is guarantee on this occurring but I am optimistic the grounding they receive is first rate.

I think the whole "surround them with talent and they'll become stars" thing is proven to be wrong. Just look at Geelong, or Brisbane or any side who has won a number of flags, you take away the guns, and the young guys struggle. The most influence the older guys have on the younger players is that they help carry them to premiership glory. But they don't actually make them better. What will actually make these players good is the coaching, but every top coach is somewhat reliant on the talent at his disposal. And the mindset is that, most likely, Hodge and Lewis are better talents than Hartung and O'Rourke.

 

[Milanista28]

Have no problem with people putting Essendon's midfield as the worst. While individually the likes of Watson, Heppell, Goddard, Hocking, Bird, Myers and Stanton are good to very good footballers when you put them all together on the field you end up with a very one paced team that lacks hurt factor.

Adding Z.Merrett, Colyer, Zaharakis and in time Laverde, Parish and Langford, And it starts to look a lot better.

 

[Walter H White]

Defence: Brisbane
Midfield: Essendon/Carlton
Forward: Carlton
Under 23 talent: Fremantle
Coach: Brisbane

 

[Kanga87]

You can define the level of talent as that's the threads purpose but here's some names, You decide how good they are.
Daniher, Z.Merrett, Laverde, Fantasia, Langford, Parish, Francis, Gleeson, Mckenna and J.Merrett

Taking the piss mate?

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[Kanga87]

Reckon you're on the mark here, except for defence and ruck.

Stefan Martin is arguably the best ruck in the comp

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[Trob]

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Lol

People are saying that because the hawks have no high picks, ergo they assume they're just not as good. Maybe they are, maybe they're not. But experience tells us that higher picks are generally better than lower picks.

Worst in the AFL. Deal with it.

when they walk in the door, yes. Two preseasons and some senior games later, not always. Clubs spend a fortune on development coaches and programs and some are clearly better at it than others. I might be proven wrong but I recken Hawthorn have shown over the past six years that they go alright in bringing along their youngsters.

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[Strapping Young Lad]

Youth (U23): Hawthorn/North

Hawthorn have more 'youth' who are premiership players(both VFL and AFL) than any other team in the comp, and you think they have the worst youth in the league?

Hill, Hartung, Sicily, O'Rourke, Heatherley, Howe, O'Brien, Litherland....that's a fair group of youngsters who are waiting for their turn.

 

[Milanista28]

Taking the piss mate?

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In terms of?

 

[HeHateMe]

Worst in the AFL. Deal with it.

deal with what? being the best team in the comp 3 years running.

being worst in the comp at having players under 23 with the most potential. hay players don't reach their potential all the time. deal with that.

i agree btw hawthorn has close to the worst under 23 in the comp as a whole but top end hill and hurtang make a pretty good fist of it.

 

[tunksy]

4 Ruckman on the list.
Luenberger
Bellchambers
Mckernan (Relief)
Gach Nyuon (Project)

Is that worse stocks than the dogs or tigers?

Yes it is.

Maric
Hampson
Vickery
Griffiths
Mcbean
Soldo
Chol

 

[Blues_Man]

Defenders - Sydney.
Midfielders (Ruck-man inc) - Adelaide.
Forwards - Carlton
Coach - Brisbane/Gold Coast
Young talent (Under 23) - Carlton/North

Defenders - essendon
Midfielders (Ruck-man inc) - essendon
Forwards - essendon
Coach - essendon
Young talent (Under 23)essendon
sorted !

 

[manboob]

Hawthorn have more 'youth' who are premiership players(both VFL and AFL) than any other team in the comp, and you think they have the worst youth in the league?

Hill, Hartung, Sicily, O'Rourke, Heatherley, Howe, O'Brien, Litherland....that's a fair group of youngsters who are waiting for their turn.

That's the ****ing shit thing about you campaigners you won the VFL flag what 2 years ago...

Though it was against my lot so there's still some hope.

I think the whole "surround them with talent and they'll become stars" thing is proven to be wrong. Just look at Geelong, or Brisbane or any side who has won a number of flags, you take away the guns, and the young guys struggle. The most influence the older guys have on the younger players is that they help carry them to premiership glory. But they don't actually make them better. What will actually make these players good is the coaching, but every top coach is somewhat reliant on the talent at his disposal. And the mindset is that, most likely, Hodge and Lewis are better talents than Hartung and O'Rourke.

Incorrect. Brisbane struggled because they didn't blood any youth. And Geelong is still rebuilding. If you think that training alongside a Hodge or Bartel doesn't make you a better player you've got rocks in your head.

 

[H2F]

Lol at the people saying the Hawks.

The best development team in the comp, with the best coach and captain.

Whoever out under 23's are you can guarantee they will be better than most.

 

[TwentyNine]

How about we just have one thread called the hang shit on everyone thread and keep it all in there?

Oh wait we have Bay 13 for that.

 

[Rack Watts]

God these threads are shit.
We all think we have the best under 23s.
You don't know who Orazio Fantasia is, I don't know your equivalent.

Essendon has the worst forward line in the AFL and the slowest midfield, wouldn't say it's the worst, but it's bottom 4 with the WADA shit going on.
Best defense in the AFL however.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

God these threads are shit.
We all think we have the best under 23s.
You don't know who Orazio Fantasia is, I don't know your equivalent.

Essendon has the worst forward line in the AFL and the slowest midfield, wouldn't say it's the worst, but it's bottom 4 with the WADA shit going on.
Best defense in the AFL however.

Is that the same defense that allowed 2 100+ point losses against the saints and the crows take place?

 

[manboob]

Is that the same defense that allowed 2 100+ point losses against the saints and the crows take place?

And let in 20 goals against the Cats.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hawthorn have more 'youth' who are premiership players(both VFL and AFL) than any other team in the comp, and you think they have the worst youth in the league?

Hill, Hartung, Sicily, O'Rourke, Heatherley, Howe, O'Brien, Litherland....that's a fair group of youngsters who are waiting for their turn.

That is true.

Brad Hill, right? Or do you have another one now? If it is Brad Hill he's been getting good consistent senior footy.

Hartung and O'Rourke look good whilst the rest on that list (along with others) are unproven.

From a side who's had a big period of success leading to sustained absence from the top end of the draft (a road we've travelled down also), I suggest a wait and see approach, to how these guys fair when Burgoyne, hodge, Mitchell, Gibson etc retire.

They can make youth look really good and it's not until those stars depart that you can truly sort the wheat from the chaff.