Scandal Dustin Martin in drunken scuffle

[Tiggytigers]

Like come on it's almost 2016 and you still haven't worked that out :')

 

[the_interloper]

He killed a woman... how can it get any worse?

Probably knows who killed Kennedy too...

 

[Frank Grimes]

I assume he will be suing the papers for reporting it as fact.

Dusty probably should sue the papers. But how often do people sue the papers in similar circumstances? The media do these things all the time and only ever get sued on rare occasions. Or are we actually using that now as indisputable evidence in determining someone's guilt?

The papers are usually smart however and made it an art form in effectively damaging someone's reputation but technically not crossing the line. For example they can get away with making somebody look like Satan if they only put the word "allegedly" in front of anything that they do.

 

[Jade]

That the police have, after a thorough investigation, unequivocally concluded that a criminal offence did not occur, is a fairly important milestone in this saga.

Yes?

By your logic, nothing would have changed if he was charged with a threat to kill.

What a silly post.

What exactly did I say had changed?

I have offered no comment, ZERO, on criminal and/or legal repercussions.

I have said all along that it is the club and/or AFL that will penalise him.

Martin is an absolute dick of a bloke, and will be slapped by the industry, and rightfully so.

Richmond fans.... Quite seriously the most obtuse going around.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Richmond fans.... Quite seriously the most obtuse going around.

Just a mixture of relief/pride that our player has been vindicated after being slandered by all and sundry. Been a fair while since Richmond has had an off-field scandal.

 

[Jade]

Just a mixture of relief/pride that our player has been vindicated after being slandered by all and sundry. Been a fair while since Richmond has had an off-field scandal.

Vindicated?

He threatened a woman.

He apologised for it.

Police elected not to charge him.

He's still a dick, and the real problem for him being an AFL footballer, that is punishment from the AFL and/or Richmond, is still there.

That has not changed. In fact, he's probably a step closer to that outcome now.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Vindicated?

He threatened a woman.

He apologised for it.

Police elected not to charge him.

He's still a dick, and the real problem for him being an AFL footballer, that is punishment from the AFL and/or Richmond, is still there.

That has not changed. In fact, he's probably a step closer to that outcome now.

Dusty remorserfully accepts the $1m Paris holiday.

 

[nut]

I didn't expect anything less, it was an easy case to defend. Evidence is the key to every case. Once the witnesses bail out, the defendant gets off. The three main reasons women do not pursue assault charges are 1) it had meant no further violence from the perpetrator had been provoked (25 percent), (2) they had been able to handle the situation themselves and did not have to deal with the embarrassment of police invading their privacy (24 percent), and (3) they had avoided the additional stress associated with reporting to police (24 percent). Any hot shot lawyer would win this case for Martin even if he had inserted the chopsticks in her earhole! The most common defence to assault charges is likely to be a factual dispute and/or self-defence. The basis of a lack of intent, wrongful identification, mental impairment, necessity and self-defence. Assault cases are won by the detail of preparation. Photographs or CCTV of where it happened and obtaining information about the surroundings may be what wins the case. Richmond supporters can all breath easily tonight, the police investigated and as in the majority of similar cases they decided not to pursue. Now the woman is being ridiculed and her story questioned. You can easily see why she would not want this to go any further than it has. It all went exactly the way i thought it would go.

She didn't want to report it???? She didn't make a statement???

 

[Jade]

Dusty remorserfully accepts the $1m Paris holiday.

Would not have the gray matter required to manage such an outcome.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Would not have the gray matter required to manage such an outcome.

Would he beat Dean Wallis in a trivia quiz?

 

[BORK]

Vindicated?

He threatened a woman.

He apologised for it.

Police elected not to charge him.

He's still a dick, and the real problem for him being an AFL footballer, that is punishment from the AFL and/or Richmond, is still there.

That has not changed. In fact, he's probably a step closer to that outcome now.

Has it been proven or admitted that he threatened her? Or did he just give her a spray? I know he apologised for his actions so likely at the least gave a big spray after her unsolicited advice to him. It should be noted that her word is not credible at this stage after yesterdays findings. Did not follow the story as closely in the early stages.

 

[blackshadow]

Just a mixture of relief/pride that our player has been vindicated after being slandered by all and sundry. Been a fair while since Richmond has had an off-field scandal.

You've got a strange take on what vindicated means.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Vindicated?

He threatened a woman.

He apologised for it.

Police elected not to charge him.

He's still a dick, and the real problem for him being an AFL footballer, that is punishment from the AFL and/or Richmond, is still there.

That has not changed. In fact, he's probably a step closer to that outcome now.

Umm yeah except it's not that the police simply "Elected not to charge him" but found that "No criminal offence took place" your implying that by choice they chose not to charge him when in fact it was shown that the incident didn't occur how she portrayed it to the media.
To the point, no witnesses coo berated her story.
She elected to make a statement to the media yet not the police.

 

[blackshadow]

She didn't want to report it???? She didn't make a statement???

She didn't want to go to the police.

She lives interstate.

More than likely she didn't want to have her life disrupted more than it already has been by the incident.

It it went to court her name would be out publicly and just looking at the microcosm of Richmond supporters here making victim blaming comments its doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't want to go through that experience on a far larger scale.

It wouldn't be easy to be a key witness against and AFL star - you'd have to weigh up the personal cost vs getting onto with life and putting the events at the restaurant behind you.

 

[SnakeMan86]

She didn't want to go to the police.

She lives interstate.

More than likely she didn't want to have her life disrupted more than it already has been by the incident.

It it went to court her name would be out publicly and just looking at the microcosm of Richmond supporters here making victim blaming comments its doesn't surprise me that she wouldn't want to go through that experience on a far larger scale.

It wouldn't be easy to be a key witness against and AFL star - you'd have to weigh up the personal cost vs getting onto with life and putting the events at the restaurant behind you.

As opposed to going to the media in the first place???
By initially making a statement to police her identity would be protected while the case was heard.

 

[blackshadow]

Umm yeah except it's not that the police simply "Elected not to charge him" but found that "No criminal offence took place" your implying that by choice they chose not to charge him when in fact it was shown that the incident didn't occur how she portrayed it to the media.
To the point, no witnesses coo berated her story.
She elected to make a statement to the media yet not the police.

Wrong.

A spokeswoman said police would not take any action after the woman decided not to make a statement.

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Without a key witness statement charges would never be laid - the police would not say we believe a criminal offence has been committed but we're not going to do anything.

 

[Jade]

Umm yeah except it's not that the police simply "Elected not to charge him" but found that "No criminal offence took place" your implying that by choice they chose not to charge him when in fact it was shown that the incident didn't occur how she portrayed it to the media.
To the point, no witnesses coo berated her story.
She elected to make a statement to the media yet not the police.

Geezus....

 

[Achilles Heel]

Against my better judgement, I'll take the bait. Unlike Martin's case, it's an allegation they deny even happened. (Same with Daw case).

Hawthorn has made no attempt to cover it up and has fully co-operated with Police from Day 1. Been as open with the media, AFL and supporters as is legally allowed.

IF charged and found guilty, I have no doubt they will be sacked, jailed and playing footy for Barwon prison, not the Hawks! And no club will touch them after any sentence which hopefully would be beyond their playing days anyway.

Your attempted deflection is however pathetic, as is you trying to use the "everyone else is doing it" defence! It's times like these I reckon the fright bats have a point on the culture of AFL fans. The Richmond Football Club, AFL and Dustin Martin are not the victims here, stop trying to act like we are all picking on poor little Dusty. If he did what is alleged, he's a scum bag and deserves a crushing suspension! Only cowards and mice threaten, assault and bully women! This goes beyond tribalism, this is a society issue and enough is enough!

So was martins case an allegation! Should he still be sacked?

 

[smasha]

The police was the best place this case went too and they found nothing.Case closed.
Richmond hating media can gagf.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Wrong.

A spokeswoman said police would not take any action after the woman decided not to make a statement.

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Was that before or after the interviewing of witnesses and the review of video footage ? Your being disingenuous by only half quoting.

The police spokesperson ( who is also a woman) said they did not see a criminal offence had been committed , best return to the HTB board.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Wrong.

A spokeswoman said police would not take any action after the woman decided not to make a statement.

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Without a key witness statement charges would never be laid - the police would not say we believe a criminal offence has been committed but we're not going to do anything.

The police also interviewed witnesses and reviewed CCTT footage, if they found evidence of a crime then he would still be charged.

 

[UpTheGuts]

What exactly did I say had changed?

I have offered no comment, ZERO, on criminal and/or legal repercussions.

I have said all along that it is the club and/or AFL that will penalise him.

Martin is an absolute dick of a bloke, and will be slapped by the industry, and rightfully so.

Richmond fans.... Quite seriously the most obtuse going around.

You posted that "nothing has changed" as a result of the cops exonerating him.

Silly post, which I called out.

You seem almost disappointed that the police, CCTV and independent witness accounts have cleared him. How puerile.

I'm rather pleased he didn't act as alleged. Surely a threat to kill would have been a criminal offence. Police have unequivocally stated no such offence, or indeed any offence at all, was committed.

That is good news, and changes everything. For being drunk in public, a sanction of some sort is probably warranted. I'm happy to leave that to our Club's executive to resolve/ endorse.

Goose.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Geezus....

I admire your pig-headedness even when proven wrong.

 

[blackshadow]

Was that before or after the interviewing of witnesses and the review of video footage ? Your being disingenuous by only half quoting.

The police spokesperson ( who is also a woman) said they did not see a criminal offence had been committed , best return to the HTB board.

Best read my full post. Police would never charge without a key witness statement and would never say that a criminal offence has been committed but we're not going to press charges.

Without the victim as key witness it was never going anywhere with the police.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Best read my full post. Police would never charge without a key witness statement and would never say that a criminal offence has been committed but we're not going to press charges.

Without the victim as key witness it was never going anywhere with the police.

Was your full post after the edit?